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hscorp
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Post subject: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:26 pm |
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what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio
for example 1st shield mag def pwr 20 phy def pwr 30 block ratio 15
2nd mag def pwr 18 phy def pwr 28 block ratio 20
which is better?
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:31 pm |
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Block ratio.
Also, what most people fail to realize is that a weapon/shields phy/mag reinforce numbers are a far more important stat, in terms of damage/defense, then the mag/phy def/attack power of an item.
Reinforce > Attack/defense power.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:38 pm |
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Tasdik wrote: Reinforce > Attack/defense power. this.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:47 pm |
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You will want to see that damage get reduced to 0 often . So 2nd shield (it is not much lower in defence btw) . Oh what are the reinforces on both shields ?
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hscorp
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:21 pm |
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Dunno sorry i sold one so first thing is the reinforces and then blocking ratio then def pwr?
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hscorp
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:42 pm |
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Take those pictures for example and why?
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:36 am |
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the 1 st one cas u have + 1 and study and lucky that mean u can add more magic option and elixir without losing the weapon and save in adding elixir
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hscorp
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:52 am |
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siso_0 wrote: the 1 st one cas u have + 1 and study and lucky that mean u can add more magic option and elixir without losing the weapon and save in adding elixir Thanks for the comment and nice avatar btw
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:06 am |
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siso_0 wrote: the 1 st one cas u have + 1 and study and lucky that mean u can add more magic option and elixir without losing the weapon and save in adding elixir lucky and steady do not make a weapon better Also please make your font smaller. the first sword is obviously better, every stat is better except the second one has str.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:32 pm |
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With your examples it's an obvious choice. Difference of 5 block is much higher than that 2 def.
Now when there is a shield with 41% reinforces and 15 block and a shield with 22% reinforces and 17 block I would go for the first shield. The difference of 2 is so minimal it will be hardly noticable. Sometimes I even think blockrate and crit are fake stats. I am using a friends br 16 shield and it blocks so many attacks it's insane. I have had br 20 shields which hardly blocked at all. Same goes for crit on weapons, I have seen lower crit weapons crit alot more often than high crit weapons.
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hscorp
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:30 pm |
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XMoshe wrote: With your examples it's an obvious choice. Difference of 5 block is much higher than that 2 def.
Now when there is a shield with 41% reinforces and 15 block and a shield with 22% reinforces and 17 block I would go for the first shield. The difference of 2 is so minimal it will be hardly noticable. Sometimes I even think blockrate and crit are fake stats. I am using a friends br 16 shield and it blocks so many attacks it's insane. I have had br 20 shields which hardly blocked at all. Same goes for crit on weapons, I have seen lower crit weapons crit alot more often than high crit weapons. so you mean that reinforces is important but anyway what is the reinforces?
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:57 am |
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Reinforces are percentual stats which won't be upped when you + an item. The only way to get a higher reinforce is to up the stat with alchemy stones. That's why it's important to have preferably 41%+ on reinforces.
And well, the dmg, and def, formula has something to do with str (or int), phy def/dmg (or mag def/dmg) and phy reinforce (or mag reinforce). I don't know the precise formula but because the reinforces are in percent they have a much higher impact on the formula than a few extra points in def. Ofcourse it's best to try to get max on every stat xP
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:27 pm |
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Lets say you use your shield
BR is most important, because it makes people hit 0.
Then you have to choose: Phy def or Phy Rein.
And lets say you got a Nova 101 shield with +0. 247-261.6 (0%-100%) 36-39.8% (0%-100%)
So the stat increases +14.6 phy def. The phy reinforce increases with 3.8%.
Lets assume we got 500STR point on 110. Then we can calculate how much phy defense we get from the Reinforce.
Phy Defense from Phy rein: 3.8% of 500 points = + 19
Phy Defense from Phy defense stat: 261.6-247 = +14.6
Conclusion: Phy rein > Phy Def.
*item stats from Rev6 database *Note: if you are pure int, the physical reinforce wont help you much. Because its a STR based stat.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:13 pm |
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I dunno moshe, a diff of 2 in BR is pretty big. I mean BR 16, 18, and 20 have a pretty big diff in terms of blocking during a pvp. 16 is like one every 7 hits, 18 is like 1 every 5, 20 is like every 3.
So that's like blocking 15%, 20%, and 30% of the time. I remember pvping a nuker long time ago who had a br 100% sun 64 shield. EVERY OTHER FCKING HIT WAS A BLOCK. That was BR 24 I believe. It's insane.
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hscorp
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:47 pm |
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Guys sorry but i still confused about some stuff like now i got shield with Blocking rate 15 (+50%) So what is 15? and what is +50%?? 15 what in what? and 50% in what too
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Goseki
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:50 pm |
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15 is the value. 50% is the amount of the stat maxed out. Br 10 would be 0%. Br 15 would be 50%, Br 20 would be 100%. So the percentage tells you how high your stat is.
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hscorp
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:26 am |
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yeah thx but i still don't get it the value of what? like it blocks 15 hits of every 100? or 15 of every 1000? or is it percentage of successful blocks?
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XMoshe
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:41 am |
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Goseki wrote: I dunno moshe, a diff of 2 in BR is pretty big. I mean BR 16, 18, and 20 have a pretty big diff in terms of blocking during a pvp. 16 is like one every 7 hits, 18 is like 1 every 5, 20 is like every 3.
So that's like blocking 15%, 20%, and 30% of the time. I remember pvping a nuker long time ago who had a br 100% sun 64 shield. EVERY OTHER FCKING HIT WAS A BLOCK. That was BR 24 I believe. It's insane. My experience is that block and crit are bullshit. Ok overall the higher the better but as I said in my reply above I had lower crits/blockrates which critted or blocked more often than high crit/block items. I think the blockrate just goes into a formula that randomly calculate if it blocks so it's more about random luck than actually having a high br. hscorp wrote: yeah thx but i still don't get it the value of what? like it blocks 15 hits of every 100? or 15 of every 1000? or is it percentage of successful blocks? I always figured out of 100 but I honestly have no idea if that is true.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:50 am |
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Nah its indeed BR = % of chance to block an attack.
So BR 15 = 15% chance of blocking.
That doesnt mean you actually block 15 hits on the 100. Because if you get unlucky you block non. if you get lucky you block 30.
But on the average it will be something like 15 block on the 100.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:15 pm |
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siso_0 wrote: the 1 st one cas u have + 1 and study and lucky that mean u can add more magic option and elixir without losing the weapon and save in adding elixir Lucky or steady doesn't prevent the weapon from disappearing when +ing. Immortal does that. Adding blues doesn't even give u a chance of destroying the weapon. Steady prevents Durability Reduce. And Lucky increases the chance of a succesful +(although it has made +0 to +3 worse for me, but better after that). I wouldn't choose the first because of +1 cos everyone can do that, Lucky cos u ain't gonna + that low weapon to a high + anyways and u can buy or get lucky stones from mobs and Steady cos these stones can be obtained as well. But i would still choose the 1st due to the higher reinforces it has.
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:53 pm |
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Block rate 15 :
first hit you have 15% chance of blocking the attack . Second hit you have 15% chance of blocking the attack . The one thousand hit you have 15% of blocking the attack .
It gives you a 15% chance of blocking "each" attack , so it is pure luck .
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XMoshe
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:42 pm |
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The Invisible wrote: Block rate 15 :
first hit you have 15% chance of blocking the attack . Second hit you have 15% chance of blocking the attack . The one thousand hit you have 15% of blocking the attack .
It gives you a 15% chance of blocking "each" attack , so it is pure luck . Yes so theoretically you should block 15 out of every 100 hits....
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Goseki
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Post subject: Re: what important in shield? mag and phy def pwr Or block ratio Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:08 am |
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I dunno, I had some awesome luck with BR 16, but with my BR 20 shield, i get crazy block-age. Like blocking a full bich combo, all 4 stabs, etc.
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