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Author: | takumi06 [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:37 pm ] |
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Wow, a very nice guide dude. good job. i've been looking for this everywhere, now i know how to build my hybrid sword. |
Author: | bleaK [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:17 pm ] |
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good guide. deserves a sticky. but imo, flame body and flame devil (first fire buff and fire passive) are a waste. they're simply not worth it. The minimal damage increase u see is not worth the sp/time spent getting them. |
Author: | Devotia [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:14 pm ] |
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Wow, it's seeing my build unfold before my eyes. I just have a few personal choices different: 1. Sword combo (5 hit) Since I'm only taking book 2 nukes, book 1 and 2 of the bicheon chain were good temporary replacements until I could get the lightning 2 nuke. At 95% magical damage, it was doing damage comparable to my book 2 fire nuke, and was great for giants when no one was around (Nuke, chain, KD, stab, stab, repeat) 2. Sword dance over lion shout. A slightly longer cast time, but my sword dance does 50% more damage on average than a shout. Also, book 2 opens up a 15 meter transfer range, much larger than the shout. 3. Fire wall or cold wall. Not both, since they don't stack and fire seems to be more efficient. Although, cycvling lvl 1 of each, I could tank a pure glaiver about my lvl forever without taking more than 50% damage. If you had the patience to max both, you could probably tank anything in the game without taking damage But, I'd stick with one. At the very least, it would make people think you're a stereotypical nuker and run in to KD range. At the most, you could find an area where there's enough mobs within a 30 or so meter range so you can continually nuke/petal dance from your firewall. The biggest disadvantage to a build like this, obviously is the insane amount of SP required to pull it off. At lvl 50, I still have 160k SP to farm before I hit 70. |
Author: | mKaaru [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:24 pm ] |
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bleaK wrote: good guide. deserves a sticky.
but imo, flame body and flame devil (first fire buff and fire passive) are a waste. they're simply not worth it. The minimal damage increase u see is not worth the sp/time spent getting them. i just wrote a guide on my type of build to provide others some insight about it, if they choose to use it as a build reference they also have a choice on what skills to take or to simply ignore honestly the increase in damage, wether physical or magical, is something hard to notice with the game as the damage range is so broad... i could kd a penon with 2200 and the following with only 1500, where the 2nd book stab could have a damage count of 2200 and the following with around 1500 as well. but those attacks are physical based anyways so any extra increase in damage output are most welcome. i'm just gonna add the third book level 1 of flame body and leave it there, and i set a goal for myself to max every passive till 6 |
Author: | mKaaru [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
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Devotia wrote: Wow, it's seeing my build unfold before my eyes.
I just have a few personal choices different: 1. Sword combo (5 hit) Since I'm only taking book 2 nukes, book 1 and 2 of the bicheon chain were good temporary replacements until I could get the lightning 2 nuke. At 95% magical damage, it was doing damage comparable to my book 2 fire nuke, and was great for giants when no one was around (Nuke, chain, KD, stab, stab, repeat) 2. Sword dance over lion shout. A slightly longer cast time, but my sword dance does 50% more damage on average than a shout. Also, book 2 opens up a 15 meter transfer range, much larger than the shout. 3. Fire wall or cold wall. Not both, since they don't stack and fire seems to be more efficient. Although, cycvling lvl 1 of each, I could tank a pure glaiver about my lvl forever without taking more than 50% damage. If you had the patience to max both, you could probably tank anything in the game without taking damage But, I'd stick with one. At the very least, it would make people think you're a stereotypical nuker and run in to KD range. At the most, you could find an area where there's enough mobs within a 30 or so meter range so you can continually nuke/petal dance from your firewall. The biggest disadvantage to a build like this, obviously is the insane amount of SP required to pull it off. At lvl 50, I still have 160k SP to farm before I hit 70. whatever makes your boat float i guess it's my intention to add the lion shout series till level 1 of the third book, so it gives me multiple fast magical attacks to finish mobs with low hp (or pwn lower level aggro mobs during jobbing). while the sword dance is idd a great AEO skill, it's a skill that does not suit this build. as a knockdown nuker it's nothing more then just that, a nuker that can deal high magical damage but also annoy the shit out of glaivers by constantly knocking them down. like the saying goes: the best defence is offence, and the knockdown is just that. you knockdown and stab your target with almost the same power a pure blader would do, but having the target knocked down it's unable to attack thus giving you some sort of defence. besides you'll be nuking your targets 90% of your sro gametime as the damage output is far superior then the swordskills, too add any other bicheon skill could prove to be a waste of resources in the long run. personally i don't think adding the fire or cold wall would gain some sort significant defence, the casting time takes too long and the wall could easily be broken. besides adding this skillbook requires extra loads of sp grinding just my 2 cents on a sidenote, i switched from spear to sword in the middle of the game by using item mall (skill reallocation potions).... explains why i don't have any other swordskills besides the knockdown and stab |
Author: | Spellbinder [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:01 am ] |
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As a pure INT nuker, I still love LOVE this guide. Great job~!! |
Author: | klrp [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:08 am ] |
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Yeah, very nice.. I'm building int hybrid too, but because lack of sp I'm going to get ~31lvl lightning only and max sword & fire, some ice for defense. |
Author: | RaiKiRii [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:44 am ] |
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imo 90% is too high, a hybrid sword who wants to use alot of melee needs more hp close to 80% (or lower) would "on paper" be better, because of swords having high crits. since the max stats you can add is 120, you can bring both your balances above 80, ergo making you able to pwn everyone. |
Author: | mKaaru [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:21 am ] |
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RaiKiRii wrote: imo 90% is too high, a hybrid sword who wants to use alot of melee needs more hp close to 80% (or lower) would "on paper" be better, because of swords having high crits.
since the max stats you can add is 120, you can bring both your balances above 80, ergo making you able to pwn everyone. i've been contemplating the very same thing, while the nukes would still pack a good punch it's also important to further strenghten the chars physical attributes to maximise kd/stab damage (and ofcourse add some extra hp). untill now i've been focussing on adding INT blue only to my equipment, but once my char has reached 64 (thus wearing 8th degree weap/prot) i'm going for equipment which only adds strenght. i'll work out my balance in between, have been going pure int since around level32 till 52 but might go 1-2 again who knows... |
Author: | Chief [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:44 pm ] |
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good guide, thanks alot! I think i am gonna go with your build but do you think i will have enough SP if i leave a lvl5 gap? EDIT: nevermind, this build needs about 165k SP by lv 70. i guess i will leave a 5gap then. |
Author: | Lady_Temari [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:36 am ] |
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wow...nice build now im gonna strive hard to make my int hybrid char more stronger... btw...w/c spawn & monster is the best way for sp farming? thanx |
Author: | Priam [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:23 am ] |
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Really nice guide! this is gonna help allot of people. Diserves a sticky in my opinion, questions about this build have been asked many times. |
Author: | larvs [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:05 am ] |
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really appreciate this guide. really speaks of what i'm planning to do with my char. i started my hybridization at level 46. question, what about keeping mag balance at 85% above? will this make for a decent nuker still? or should we all stop and maintain 90%? i'm just in awe when i saw a hybrid knockdown nuker pwned a glaiver from a korean video. if only i can find the link for it... |
Author: | mKaaru [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:11 am ] |
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it all depends on what you want to do with your char. most people tend to lean their hybrid towards a nuker and use the kd/stab as an alternative versus str glaivers. you could go for 82% or 85% or 90% if you'd like. my char without the blue would have a normal mag balance of 77% so i invested quite some time gold and element resources to raise that balance by +14% (+33INT). some people could do the opposite, and instead of using int added equip they could go for str added equip. not only would this give them a great increase in HP but it would also strenghten the kd/stab combo while the nukes would still pack quite the punch! it all depends on what you'd like to do with your char, don't go for the "perfect" build but rather one that suits your own taste/preferences. |
Author: | [SD]Kratos [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:20 am ] |
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Good job dude... |
Author: | FANTM [ Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:59 am ] |
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How good is this build in PvP?? |
Author: | Sin [ Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:46 am ] |
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FANTM wrote: How good is this build in PvP??
You can still support with nukes in group PvP, and also stand a better chance when going toe to toe with, say, a glaiver. An overall good build if you build it correctly. |
Author: | Blyth [ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:35 am ] |
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Nice guide, Imo Spear mastery>Ice mastery, but since your hybrid i guessIce is better then spear, but you never know |
Author: | mKaaru [ Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:25 am ] |
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FANTM wrote: How good is this build in PvP??
better then most would expect, and ofcourse the luck factor also plays a big part in wether or not you'll overcome your opponent. do remind that the skills of my char are "lacking" in pvp as they are somewhat behind due to farming requirements but i can kill any pure build from the same level. don't worry, you can 1v1 with this build in PVP with relative ease but when people tend to create the perfect solo machine you'll always end up dissapointed. it all comes down to the quality of your weapon defence and a shitload of luck factor |
Author: | FANTM [ Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:47 pm ] |
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mKaaru wrote: FANTM wrote: How good is this build in PvP?? better then most would expect, and ofcourse the luck factor also plays a big part in wether or not you'll overcome your opponent. do remind that the skills of my char are "lacking" in pvp as they are somewhat behind due to farming requirements but i can kill any pure build from the same level. don't worry, you can 1v1 with this build in PVP with relative ease but when people tend to create the perfect solo machine you'll always end up dissapointed. it all comes down to the quality of your weapon defence and a shitload of luck factor Well thanks much for posting your guide it really helped me Hope you keep it updated as you go. |
Author: | FireStorm [ Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:25 am ] |
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Very nice guide. I like it. Thumbs up for sticky. |
Author: | Ezeckiel [ Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:03 am ] |
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First of all thanks for good guide. I was a bit surprised by your lack of "sword" skills besides the knock down until I read your "skill re-allocation" post. Some questions 1. Do you intend to develop something else in the Bicheon area ? I've the combo (5 hits) and the first book of bicheon (don't remember the name). I plan to delevel one of them since it's too SP consuming to keep both. Which one would you stop ? 2. I did not know it was possible to use the different killing heaven book one after the other, thanks for info. 3. Is there a way to improve the speed of a nuke ? Thanks again |
Author: | mKaaru [ Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:08 pm ] |
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Ezeckiel wrote: First of all thanks for good guide. I was a bit surprised by your lack of "sword" skills besides the knock down until I read your "skill re-allocation" post. Some questions yup, because i switched build but even if i was a bicheon char from the start i would have removed the first couple of books to recover sp but also for the fact that my char is a knockdown nuker so i really don't need the other bicheon skills Ezeckiel wrote: 1. Do you intend to develop something else in the Bicheon area ? I've the combo (5 hits) and the first book of bicheon (don't remember the name). I plan to delevel one of them since it's too SP consuming to keep both. Which one would you stop ? I had invested some sp in Blade Force Series but decided to reallocate that sp for other skills, since i already have long range magic attacks (nukes). Might consider to add the skill once again when i'm 58+ where the 3rd book becomes available and i'll have a strong alternative long range attack besides my nukes (a non aoe aggro attack that is). If you were referring to the illusion and billow chain, it's just your own choice wether you want to keep those skills or not. they might come in handy when you max both books and add heaven chain at level51, which also just looks dandy cool! =D besides you can't remove illusion chain before billow because the latter requires the first book to be maxed! Ezeckiel wrote: 2. I did not know it was possible to use the different killing heaven book one after the other, thanks for info. Not a problem, you can ALWAYS stab your target twice if you're able to rapidly and press the buttons with timing. Ezeckiel wrote: 3. Is there a way to improve the speed of a nuke ? Nope that's not possible. The first book of the flamewave series has a fast cooldown period and takes the least amount of execution time to use. The second book has a medium cooldown period but the execution time of this skill is significantly longer then the first book. Ezeckiel wrote: Thanks again
Hehe np =) |
Author: | FANTM [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:32 am ] |
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mKaaru would you recommend investing the SP in the hawk (BLUE) under Pacheon series? |
Author: | RaiKiRii [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:55 am ] |
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FANTM wrote: mKaaru would you recommend investing the SP in the hawk (BLUE) under Pacheon series?
waste, use an attack rating stone |
Author: | mKaaru [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:20 am ] |
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RaiKiRii wrote: FANTM wrote: mKaaru would you recommend investing the SP in the hawk (BLUE) under Pacheon series? waste, use an attack rating stone before the alchemy update it was considered a smart thing to add pacheon solely for the blue hawk to increase the attack rating thus increasing the probability of a maxed damage count. but still you might encounter the first level of white hawk with most chars, as the extra 16 points of attack rating (buff+passive) at low SP cost isn't a big deal or waste. like i said that was before and as raikiri puts it, a complete waste of SP. try to raise the attack rating by fusing your weapon with the stone that increases the attack rating (precise tablet name i can't recall). the increase ranges from +1% to +100% which could very well mean an increase of 1 attack rating point to a staggering 50+ !!!! the amount of element and stone resources to gain such increase is nothing compared the hours of sp grinding to add the blue hawk! that's why i ALWAYS try to add this blue to EVERY single weapon i use. but still it's your call ofcourse =) |
Author: | Devotia [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:25 pm ] |
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mKaaru wrote: the amount of element and stone resources to gain such increase is nothing compared the hours of sp grinding to add the blue hawk! that's why i ALWAYS try to add this blue to EVERY single weapon i use. but still it's your call ofcourse =)
QFT. Every weapon should have both the AR increase and dura increase. |
Author: | FANTM [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:55 pm ] |
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thanks mKaaru for the insight on the hawk |
Author: | Ice_Warrior [ Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:51 am ] |
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to be honest i think this huybrid build will still struggle to kill pure str glavies and bladers, since there crits are double dmg also have stupidly high health. i just dnt think hybrid gonna deal enough dmg b4 they die. (this is 1 on 1), but agen in jobs, its mostly groups fights, so it may make a difference. |
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