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Author:  SolidSteel [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Hybrid blader ?
Hello,
I'm farming a chinese char atm and I'm considering making him a blader.
Now I've been reading alot of blader topics lately, and everywhere I see : "blader... can't be killed, can't kill".
So I've been thinking, wouldn't going hybrid for a blader be a good idea? Was thinking of 85-87% phys balance (something like a 2:1 hybrid I think). I know you would loose some of your tanking ability, but maybe you can compensate this by using a higher lvl snowshield (because you have higher mp than a full str blader), and your hits would do alot more damage than a full str, so maybe you can finish your opponent of before the snowshield runs out?
I have actually no experience with str based chinese chars, and there is probably a reason why everybody goes pure str instead of str hybrid, but I didn't come across a good explanation for this so far :)
So what do you guys think about this?
Author:  muyo [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
Really love to try 2:1 or 1:1 Hybrid Blader and maxing ice+garment.Ull have better damage by going hybrid and good phy defense to tank^^ but that just in my theory
Author:  Tasdik [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
Going hybrid is frowned upon. Why? Well think about it, what's a bladers greatest asset? His ability to tank pretty much anything with his massive hp and shield. So many people refuse to lose such a valuable asset.

Having said that, I'm not entirely sure where I stand in terms of Hybrid blades. Your crit's wouldn't be as strong, and they'd be less often. But your normal attacks would improve in damage.

If you decided to do this, go fire/ice. You'll need the extra defense from ice to help compensate for your lack of hp.

Also, I wasn't aware that bladers had to rely on snow shield in order to survive, is that actually true?

Go pm Amarisa here on the forum. I do believe she has some experience with hybrid blades. Ask her how it worked out. Don't tell her I sent you though. ;)

Whatever you decide, good luck sir!
Author:  aishsharma [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
90% hybrid, altho the dmg boost isn't uber high its still enough to get a faster kill and u still retain ur tanking capabilities, i never got it beyond 60 tho, so after that with good gear u can go for 85% if u want.
Author:  Pan_Raider(`_´) [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
Bladers aren't "impossible" to kill, they are just incredibly hard to kill.
The blockrate, higher defence, shielding skills, knockdown and for a full str: high hp
make them really tough
If you add snow shield to the equation, the only way to defeat them is deplete their mp with enough attacks, render them purely defensive and mash them to pulp o

But if they are stunned or their KD doesn't work several times, it isn't such a big deal.


Hybrid bladers just need snow shield more often and have to time their defensive skills well.

Just try the different hybrids on a private server


Tasdik wrote:
Having said that, I'm not entirely sure where I stand in terms of Hybrid blades. Your crit's wouldn't be as strong, and they'd be less often. But your normal attacks would improve in damage.


the probability depends entirely on the weapon, not your build
Author:  Tasdik [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
Is that so? I was under the impression that str chars crits were better/more frequent then int chars. Huh.

The more you know!
Author:  aishsharma [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
Tasdik wrote:
Is that so? I was under the impression that str chars crits were better/more frequent then int chars. Huh.

The more you know!


str char crits are better yes, they do more dmg, but frequency depends on weapons
Author:  SolidSteel [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
I've also always thought str chars had significantly higher crits.
But lately I'm hearing that there is not that much a difference between the crit of a pure str and that of a hybrid.
The higher magical damage (imbue) of a hybrid would make up for the loss of crit damage (physical balance), So the damage when having a crit would be practically the same for lets say a hybrid str and a pure str.
Is this true?
Author:  aishsharma [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
SolidSteel wrote:
I've also always thought str chars had significantly higher crits.
But lately I'm hearing that there is not that much a difference between the crit of a pure str and that of a hybrid.
The higher magical damage (imbue) of a hybrid would make up for the loss of crit damage (physical balance), So the damage when having a crit would be practically the same for lets say a hybrid str and a pure str.
Is this true?


hybrid chars have higher DPS while pure chars have higher burst damage(nukes/crits).

Take it how you will, but the main reason behind any build is having enough defense to survive your enemy's attacks and have enough damage to kill him.
Author:  Emarosa [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
the only reason a pure str would have more crits is because they only use str moves... a nukes or shout or something is pure magical so its can't crit, so on the basis that if an int and a str were pvp'ing then yes.. a str would crit more often because the int is using a completely magical based move every so often, other then that its all down to crit ratio.

if you can't understand that its probably because im drunk x)
Author:  Pan_Raider(`_´) [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
Emarosa wrote:
the only reason a pure str would have more crits is because they only use str moves... a nukes or shout or something is pure magical so its can't crit, so on the basis that if an int and a str were pvp'ing then yes.. a str would crit more often because the int is using a completely magical based move every so often, other then that its all down to crit ratio.

if you can't understand that its probably because im drunk x)

i understood it, means i am drunk too :P

well the more skills you use, the higher your probability will be to hit a critical.
If you use skills that can't crit, you will reduce the number of crits naturally.
And of course you will notice the crits more often while grinding because of the damage difference.
So there is also an illusion of having more.

But nukes arent necessary for str hybrids so that doesn't count lol.
And int weapons have a higher crit ratio than str weapons so it is even
Author:  qwe1990 [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
A blader needs crits to win and you still try to make it worse

I'm farming sp now in my chinese char, still 1.648.000 sp, need 3m

My build: Bicheon/ Pacheon/ Fire
Author:  Pan_Raider(`_´) [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
qwe1990 wrote:
A Full str blader needs crits to win and you still try to make it worse

I'm farming sp now in my chinese char, still 1.648.000 sp, need 3m

My build: Bicheon/ Pacheon/ Fire


Full str definitely need crits to win

But the only thing getting "worse" by going hybrid is his hp and physical balance.
The crits make up less of the damage because the magical damage gets higher.
A very good contradiction you made there
Author:  wicked [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
qwe1990 wrote:
A blader needs crits to win and you still try to make it worse

I'm farming sp now in my chinese char, still 1.648.000 sp, need 3m

My build: Bicheon/ Pacheon/ Fire


Stop farming that much :slap: , just farm enough for 100, at 105 u can do that temple quest
Author:  vvanderer [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hybrid blader ?
If someone still reads these relatively old posts:
I'm thinking about a...hybrid bicheon too. Of course the idea came under the influence of alcohol, as always. :D
So, if I get it right:
STR means more crit more phy damage (less than mag. damage),
INT means more damage (overall).
STR (blade) weapon has more phy damage, less crit rating,
INT (sword) weapon has more mag damage, more crit rating.
So I was thinking:
what if I were to make a...3/4 maybe 5 STR / 1 INT "swordsman" with fire-light?
I think STR (-INT)+sword would give around just as much crit as a pure STR blader, it'd be less effective but the sword + those INT points would boost the magical damage, resulting in more overall damage.
It's a lot of math I'm not really good at, which would give more, how much more, in exchange of how much of this or that and whatever, so if a mathboy were to do a little thinking, I'd be grateful.
On the other hand, people with no idea of that whatsoever, please remain silent, I wish to hear solid theories. :)
Thank you.
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