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 Post subject: [Guide] Glaive [100 Cap]
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:17 pm 
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I didn't see a guide for Glaive so I went ahead and made one.

Why Glaive?
Great pvpers meant for tanking Int Characters. High HP allows tanking multiple targets in FW situations. Good at PVE if you like to grind like this:
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Pure Str or Hybrid?
Ok, this is where it gets tricky. Don't listen to people who tell you hybrid STR is shit. They tend to follow conventional builds and do things that are fail-safe. A hybrid Glaive is not fail-safe, you absolutely must be careful if your going to make one. They can be weak if they are not done right. When hybrid, you will want more STR than INT obviously, and at around 8:1, 7:1, 6:1 etc...

Pure Str is much more generic but it is fail safe. You will have more hp than hybrid and be a better tank. But the downside is that your damage is slightly lower. Hybrid is slightly better at PVE in comparison to pure str.

Hybrid
Pro:
- Higher Damage than Pure Str.
- Better at PVE in comparison to Pure Str
- Able to hold a higher snow shield (30%-35%)
- More MP for your high MP requirement skills
- Pure Ints do less damage to you
Con
- Less Tank-ability
- Less HP
- Need for Ice
- Possibly not having Light
- Pure Str does more damage to you
- Not a Unique killer
- Weaker Crits

Pure Str
Pro:
- Better Tanking than hybrid
- Highest HP Chinese build
- Great for 2 vs 1 situation in PVP
- High Damage
- Strong Crits
Con:
- Lack of MP and need for a lot of MP from skills
- Pure Ints do more damage
- 20%-25% snow shield max.
- Less damage compared to hybrid
* Damage is sacrificed when you want better tanking. Vice versa is true as well. For Chinese anyways...

Gear
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There are only two options when it comes to gear for a glaiver, Garments and Protector.
Protector:
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Medium physical defense and medium magical defense. Very useful against warriors and rogues. It decreases the damage they do to you significantly.
Garments:
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High magical defense and low physical defense. Useful against S/S, Spear nukers and Wizards.
Depending on your play style you will want to choose wisely.

In case you didn't notice, I have put pictures of shields up on top. Now you will need this at all times when it comes to pvp. Its useful right after Ghost Spear, in case you don't kill your opponent, and they hit you back, you get a block in there. This is also useful when you get knocked down by those KD spamming bladers. Always useful to get blocks in their and have their KD be made useless.
As for the stats on the shield, you will want BR 16+ and at least a +3. I would recommend a +5 or better but a +3 will do just fine as long as it has good BR. Also on another note, do not use a low level shield, keep it up to date. As in, dont be level 100 and use a level 1 shield just because its Sun. The extra defense from the up to date shield is very important and nothing beats having the HP of a glaiver and the defense of a blader.
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+:5 or better later on. Early levels, npc does fine.
Phy Def/ Attack: 61%+
Mag Def / Attack: 61%+
Dura: 41%+
Parry/ AR: 61%+
Phy Reinf: 61%+
Mag Rainf: 61%+
Crit: 9 or better.
Same thing can be applied to weapon.


Builds:
I will not help anyone reading this with their build, but I will mention the skills needed for each tree, if you plan to get it. If you are looking to make a dual weapon build, go look at the skills required for the 2nd weapon. I'm not going to mention the skills needed for Bow or Blade, I don't know them and I don't own either one of those builds.

Green: Yes
Purple Optional
Red: No

ImageHeuskal
Image Annihilating Blade Series
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This skill is useful for the early levels. Get it for the early levels but drop it later on. You can continue it if you like. It isn't a bad skill at cap, but it isn't great.

Image Fanning Spear Series
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Get the 1st, 3rd and 5th book. It increases Magical defense and its really helpful against Pure INTs and Chinese STR. It reduces a Pure INTs damage significantly and lowers a STR attack power a slight bit.

Image Heuskal Spear Series
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Good skill to get. Its great for DPS and works well with Soul Spear Emperor at later levels. This skill is a hp breaker type of skill, its used to tear into the opponents HP. At 100 you will still most likely use Windless because Death Bringer is a terrible skill. It has good damage but it ruins a glaivers DPS and the lack of DPS isnt work the little extra damage. The difference between a 92 skill and a 100 skill is a few hundred damage but there is a delay after using Death Bringer that allows the opponent to gain back that HP which Windless doesn't have.

Image Soul Departs Spear Series
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This is your main skill. This skill is useful throughout the game. It always has good damage. This skill is also a HP breaker, it allows you to wear into the opponents HP and setup for the kill using Ghost Spear.

Image Ghost Spear Attack Series
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This is your strongest attack. It is used to finish off the opponent. You dont want to overuse this skill, only use it when you know you will kill the opponent.

Image Chain Spear Attack Series
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Useless skill. Say SSE does 10k over 2 seconds, these skills will do the same 10k over 5 seconds. Massive waste of time in pvp.

Image Flying Dragon Spear Series
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Great skill for FW, wizards and rogues. Helps kill people who like to run away people who keep distance when pvping.

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Increases HP. Self explanatory.


ImageFire
Image Fire Force Series
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Strongest imbue in the game and as a STR build you will need it.

Image Fire Shield Series
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Optional. Even as a pure str you dont really need it. Its only useful against people who use Ice imbue and very few people use it. However, I would recommend getting it because it is useful.

Image Flame Body Series
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Increases physical damage by 9% at cap and its very useful. But leave the last book at skill level 1. No need to waste extra SP and gain no more damage.

Image Fire Protection Series
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Increases Magical defense. Very useful in PVP and PVE against Int based monsters.

Image Fire Wall Series
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I would really recommend getting it. Its really helpful against Euros. Stops rogues from knocking back with the Xbow, stops Warriors from knocking back and completely stops Wizards from hurting you while its up.

Image Flame Wave Series
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Ignore.

Image Fire Combustion
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Optional. A lot of Wizards and Rogues have stopped increasing invisibility though just because most people use other methods to see invisible players.

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Increases physical damage. At cap it increases attack power by 10% and combined with Flame Body Trial, it increases physical damage by 19%.


Image Cold
Image Cold Force Series
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Skip it. The damage is bad and the only time people are not immune to ice is at the beginning and end of a cap.

Image Frost Guard Series
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Max it. This along with the passive increases physical defense by a significant amount. It will lower the damage a Pure STR does to you.

Image Cold Wave Attack Series
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Skip it. Completely useless.

Image Frost Wall Series
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Optional. Get it if you want to avoid rogues who go invisible. Their first hit on you when they come out of invisibiliy will do no damage.

Image Frost Nova Series
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Freezes. Useless later on.

Image Snow Storm Series
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Useless.

Image Snow Shield Series
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Get it. But if your Pure STR, 25%, if your hybrid 30%+ depending on how much hybrid you are.

Image Passive
Passive, increases physical defense. These physical defense buffs in the Ice are useless unless you get both of them. The two work together to help you gain good defense. You cannot just get one of them.


Image Lightning
Image Thunder Force Series
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Second strongest imbue, but fire is still better.

Image Piercing Force Series
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Increases magical damage and it will increase a STR builds damage as well.

Image Wind Walk Series
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Increases speed by a significant amount, but I dont recommend raising it past 80. Everything after 80 has very small changes, anything past that is meant for pure INTs.

Image Lion Shout Series
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Skip it.

Image Concentration Series
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Increases parry ratio and in other words makes your opponent hit for less.

Image Thunderbolt Force Series
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Skip it. Not useful for anyone using a Glaive.

Image Passive
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Increases parry ratio. This with concentration will increase parry ratio by a significant amount.


Image Force
Image Self Heal Series
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Skip it. Your not a cleric. Bad heals anyways.

Image Force Cure Series
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Get it. Saves you some blue pills against other force users and warlocks.

Image Cure Therapy Series
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Optional. You already have a cure, but two couldnt hurt I suppose.

Image Heal Series
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Useful for healing a large sum of HP on a moments notice. But still, dont try to be a cleric with it.

Image Rebirth Art Series
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Good to have if there are no clerics around or if you dont want to cause an Immolation war. Also useful if you like to powerlevel and want to revive the people that you are powerleveling.

Image Natural Therapy Series
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Useful if you wanna go AFK for a brief moment while you are in the middle of grinding. Also useful if you wanna keep the people you are powerleveling safe.

Image Vital Spot Attack Series
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The most important force skills. These allow you to reduce your opponents attack power and defense, increasing the damage you do to them and decreasing the damage they do to you significantly. Highly recommended every force user gets these skills.

Image Passive
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Increases MP. Always useful for a glaiver.

SP:
Altogether SP will be fairly low for Glaive. If you leave out the optional, Glaive is a very SP friendly build in comparison to other builds. Its one of the reason there are so many glaivers.

Skillbar
Now, its very important to set up your skillbar to your needs and how you like it. Don't be one of those glaivers who sets all useful skills on 1-4 and spams the shit out of those 4 keys. Mix it up, it doesnt need to be the best skill bar, but you cant just be spamming skills and hope to win. If that is how you win, then you need better opponents.
This is my skillbar:
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I wont say its the best skillbar or this is how you should set it up. But you should look into setting it up so its comfortable to play in and doesnt hurt your own hand. Also try and know what your skill bar will look like in the future. That will help you whenever you get new skills.

PVE:
Depending on your play style, you will want to grind differently. What I've seen and done that works is grinding on mobs your own level. Killing faster beats better exp bu slower kill. For example, grinding on mobs your own level means you 1 - 2 hit them (1 hit if your hybrid, 2 if your pure str, FF that is.) instead of 4-5 hits and having each mob waste more HP pot. So essentially what I'm saying is, kill speed beats better exp. No that does not mean grinding at mangyangs will level you fast, but grey mobs over red. Just because you are level 50 and can kill mages doesnt mean you should.

PVP:
In time, you will learn to do something called HP counting. HP counting is when you know your opponents build and in terms know their health, so when you are attacking, you who a roundabout on where their health is. What this allows you to do is know when your opponent is going to die and even if your going to be able to kill the opponent with the damage your dealing. This sets you up to use Ghost Spear to kill the person because when you realize that they are under a certain mark on their HP you use it to finish them off.


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* I'll add anything more if necessary. Suggestions are always welcome on how to improve the guide.
* I know I forgot something.

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RogueKiller wrote:

Hybrid
Pro:
- Higher Damage than Pure Str.
- Better at PVE in comparison to Pure Str
- Able to hold a higher snow shield (30%-35%)
- More MP for your high MP requirement skills
- Pure Ints do less damage
Con
- Less Tank-ability
- Less HP
- Need for Ice
- Possibly not having Light
- Pure Str does more damage
- Not a Unique killer



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RogueKiller wrote:

Hybrid
Pro:
- Higher Damage than Pure Str.
- Better at PVE in comparison to Pure Str
- Able to hold a higher snow shield (30%-35%)
- More MP for your high MP requirement skills
- Pure Ints do less damage
Con
- Less Tank-ability
- Less HP
- Need for Ice
- Possibly not having Light
- Pure Str does more damage
- Not a Unique killer



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higher overall damage but pure str have higher crits


nice guide.

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Vinyl wrote:
wut?

Missed that when rereading.
What I meant was, Pure Str does more damage to you.
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higher overall damage but pure str have higher crits

And fixed.

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You said you didn't see a glaivers guide :shock:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110880<-- Halfway the first page of Guides n Tuts.

Overall, they're both the same except you give way more room in the skill trees.

One remark, the chains are usefull in PvE, they do much damage for the MP they cost.
The 6 chain does more damage than soul spear emperor and costs less mp.

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Starrie wrote:
You said you didn't see a glaivers guide :shock:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110880<-- Halfway the first page of Guides n Tuts.

Overall, they're both the same except you give way more room in the skill trees.

One remark, the chains are usefull in pvp, they do much damage for the MP they cost.
The 6 chain does more damage than soul spear emperor and costs less mp.


The chain takes a lot longer tho. After SSE, u can back it up with windless and ur flying dragon spear, which altho uses more mp, it keeps the DPS going better than the chains do.

Nice guide BTW.

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Starrie wrote:
You said you didn't see a glaivers guide :shock:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110880<-- Halfway the first page of Guides n Tuts.

Overall, they're both the same except you give way more room in the skill trees.

One remark, the chains are usefull in pvp, they do much damage for the MP they cost.
The 6 chain does more damage than soul spear emperor and costs less mp.

Wow I missed that.
About chains, Bobby explained it.

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Now, its very important to set up your skillbar to your needs and how you like it. Don't be one of those glaivers who sets all useful skills on 1-4 and spams the shit out of those 4 keys. Mix it up, it doesnt need to be the best skill bar, but you cant just be spamming skills and hope to win. If that is how you win, then you need better opponents.


lol dont try and make it harder to make people think they have faux skills, having ur most useful skills on 1-4 is a good strategy, only with experience will the user learn the right time and place to use the skills. and idk about other people but i dont take my hand off the mouse to pvp xD

otherwise ur guide was detailed, easy to read, and very informative; this forum needed a good 100 cap glaive guide.


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Bobby wrote:
Starrie wrote:
You said you didn't see a glaivers guide :shock:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110880<-- Halfway the first page of Guides n Tuts.

Overall, they're both the same except you give way more room in the skill trees.

One remark, the chains are usefull in pvp, they do much damage for the MP they cost.
The 6 chain does more damage than soul spear emperor and costs less mp.


The chain takes a lot longer tho. After SSE, u can back it up with windless and ur flying dragon spear, which altho uses more mp, it keeps the DPS going better than the chains do.

Nice guide BTW.

Hola fack, i said PVP but meant PVE...
You can kill a mob with the 6 combo if you got a good weapon and the mobs don't have that much HP, in pvp they are rubbish indeed, take way too long. Anyone can pot that.

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Now, its very important to set up your skillbar to your needs and how you like it. Don't be one of those glaivers who sets all useful skills on 1-4 and spams the shit out of those 4 keys. Mix it up, it doesnt need to be the best skill bar, but you cant just be spamming skills and hope to win. If that is how you win, then you need better opponents.


lol dont try and make it harder to make people think they have faux skills, having ur most useful skills on 1-4 is a good strategy, only with experience will the user learn the right time and place to use the skills. and idk about other people but i dont take my hand off the mouse to pvp xD

Yeah, true... But I've seen what most people do with those four skills. Pick almost any glaive video out from youtube and you see they spam the 4 skills without paying attention to whats happening in the pvp.

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Hola fack, i said PVP but meant PVE...
You can kill a mob with the 6 combo if you got a good weapon and the mobs don't have that much HP, in pvp they are rubbish indeed, take way too long. Anyone can pot that.

But why waste the extra SP for it? Those skills start to cost a lot later on. DPS in PVE is important too and those other skills let you kill monsters faster.

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Still, they look quite cool.

And it spares some extra key smashing.

These chains are not a must, but they can be handy sometimes and they're fun to use. If you got the sp, i'd go for them.

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a thing about chains that is an annoyance which people dont like in pve is that it drains duribility fast... or faster than using each skills linked together

1 chain might do more damage for less mp for 1 attack, but for same amount of time, you can do more damage with 3 links skills than 1 chain, you can pick up mp pots in pve if you want :S but not fix weapon... 1 chain hits 6 times, 3 skills hits like 3-4 times...


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what lvl is each skill????

heuksual 100/fire 100/ light 80/ice 20/ force?????


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jaksje wrote:
what lvl is each skill????

heuksual 100/fire 100/ light 80/ice 20/ force?????


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He just explained everything, it doesn't mean you have to take em all. Besides 100 Heuk the most common builds are 100fire/ice, 100fire/80light/20ice, 100fire/force, 80fire/100force/20ice.

Alright guide but it's easy to recommend a +5 set with 61%+ on everything, it's hard to get that so it's a bit unrealistic. You should aim for it but settle with 41%, atleast for def's...If you got more to spare try to get 61%+ on parry idd, and Wep phy whites/ar 61% too atleast. As a pure str 22% or 41% will do fine on the mag's, it's only for looks so it won't show a 0% stat.

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Fire shield is very helpful when pvping and unique hunting. It's not only effective against cold.

Can you use the heal series skills in force mastery on yourself?

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Yeah u forgot the icon for the passive skill from cold. :D

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Fire shield is very helpful when pvping and unique hunting. It's not only effective against cold.

Can you use the heal series skills in force mastery on yourself?

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Yeah u forgot the icon for the passive skill from cold. :D


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I think ill try out the Pach / Ice / Fire tree since there arent alot of em out there

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Easily the best glaive guide out there, i always came to this guide as a source and its helped me TONS on making my glaive


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