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 Post subject: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:16 am 
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Hi There,

Well i showed a preview of a guide that i was making. And now its pretty much complete, a bit rushed though. But here it is.

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Ok Well thats it. Ill work on it some more and update it, but time for sleep.
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 Post subject: Re: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
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Hey,

Nice guide so far, maybe you could explain why did you take fire/force/lightning/cold as your masterys... For example im quite a noob and where the hell are u gonna use force for O.o

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 Post subject: Re: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
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Awesome guide dude, not had a chance to look through it all but it looks pr0. That was quick, you only advertised the beta version a few days ago :P

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 Post subject: Re: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
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since like, 1% maybe 2% of the whole SRO population uses force as a common skill, i think to save you SP its better to just skip the whole tree

unless you proove it owns

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 Post subject: Re: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
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hmm never seen a bower with FORCE before. i guess if your going for MAX damage build, it should kick ass. add lightning will help with speed, parryratio only. but try to find some vids maybe?

also: the firewall skill is gonna be very usefull i think. almost all vids that i've seen of medusa have had bowers using firewall. plus it'll help against chinese nukers too.

bower already don't have any buffs like bicheon (phys def buff) or heuksal (mag def buff) so having fire wall will help a bunch.

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 Post subject: Re: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
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Force bow is STRONNNNGG!!!!

We already know bows do ALOT of damage, and have very high chances of insane crits, with debuffs, this build is a true killer. The only downside to it is the range of debuffs, the secret to this build is to use debuffs first, don't take too much advantage of range, because it takes a while to debuff, so while you're debuffing, they can just pot up.

So trick is:
Do full debuffing
Explosion arrow
Strongbow
Anti Devil
Combo arrow.

They should be dead now.

As a side note, only ever use explosion arrow once. It's as strong as strongbow, but with longer launch time, no crit and no stun, it does however have higher attack rating, allowing for a strong first hit.


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 Post subject: Re: Guide [Pure Str Bow] [56k Warning] V.1
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looks nice BUT,

Ditch force (or make it lvl 30(p0werleveling reasons))

PAcheon 90, Light 90 Fire 90. hf

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hmm never seen a bower with FORCE before. i guess if your going for MAX damage build, it should kick ass. add lightning will help with speed, parryratio only. but try to find some vids maybe?

also: the firewall skill is gonna be very usefull i think. almost all vids that i've seen of medusa have had bowers using firewall. plus it'll help against chinese nukers too.

bower already don't have any buffs like bicheon (phys def buff) or heuksal (mag def buff) so having fire wall will help a bunch.

here's a vid
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Add links to videos of full str force bow fighting, such as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drvHaqfv3NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ_r6ObTpvE

The guide is really impressive, looks very "pro". Good job 8)

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minimum + 3 or 5 bow with 10 crit


Its going to be really hard to find a bow like that. Id say the minimum crit should be more like 6 or 7.

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Its going to be really hard to find a bow like that. Id say the minimum crit should be more like 6 or 7.

nah minimum crit is Deff 8 no lower then 8

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Hi, i'm newbie.
I heard lvl 90 cap is not suit for force bow, because with light 30, you will move so slow and can catch up with your target. Any idea?


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ata109 wrote:
Hi, i'm newbie.
I heard lvl 90 cap is not suit for force bow, because with light 30, you will move so slow and can catch up with your target. Any idea?


Get a bard to buff you with swing march for speed =] Also, with 9D you can add reduce curse and whatnot to your items + a clerics buff and you're 100% immune to some of the force tree =/


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Redwire wrote:
ata109 wrote:
Hi, i'm newbie.
I heard lvl 90 cap is not suit for force bow, because with light 30, you will move so slow and can catch up with your target. Any idea?


Get a bard to buff you with swing march for speed =] Also, with 9D you can add reduce curse and whatnot to your items + a clerics buff and you're 100% immune to some of the force tree =/


So,you reckon that force bow is not suit for 9D? how about warlock? their skill will be immuned as well as u said? however, i still saw many warlock build over ther :cry:


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Phix wrote:
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minimum + 3 or 5 bow with 10 crit


Its going to be really hard to find a bow like that. Id say the minimum crit should be more like 6 or 7.

nah minimum crit is Deff 8 no lower then 8


It shouldnt be that hard -_-''. I have a lvl 80 pure str bow and every bow ive had has had a minimum of crit 10.

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Hi, i'm newbie.
I heard lvl 90 cap is not suit for force bow, because with light 30, you will move so slow and can catch up with your target. Any idea?


From what ive seen, Pure str bow/force is gonna own at 90 cap. I mean you get division. <awesome skill.
As for the speed issue. Can't you get buffed by bard or just get a speed drug, its not that hard -_-


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ata109 wrote:
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ata109 wrote:
Hi, i'm newbie.
I heard lvl 90 cap is not suit for force bow, because with light 30, you will move so slow and can catch up with your target. Any idea?


Get a bard to buff you with swing march for speed =] Also, with 9D you can add reduce curse and whatnot to your items + a clerics buff and you're 100% immune to some of the force tree =/


So,you reckon that force bow is not suit for 9D? how about warlock? their skill will be immuned as well as u said? however, i still saw many warlock build over ther :cry:


It'll still be very good, not everybody will have a cleric sitting next to them for help 24/7 =]


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It'll still be very good, not everybody will have a cleric sitting next to them for help 24/7 =]

no they wont but alot of the euros will have this as there sub class


@Rainigul, very nice guide both of your guides are very well done..

im fixin to make a STR bower. Would you suggest pacheon 90 fire 90 and light/force 60? why or why not?


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It'll still be very good, not everybody will have a cleric sitting next to them for help 24/7 =]

no they wont but alot of the euros will have this as there sub class


@Rainigul, very nice guide both of your guides are very well done..

im fixin to make a STR bower. Would you suggest pacheon 90 fire 90 and light/force 60? why or why not?



It's better to go for max force, because at 60, I believe you only get decay (correct me if I'm wrong). This is very good for pure str, but it'll be much much weaker than decay at lv 90, and if you get higher force, then you can use even more debuffs.

You COULD do it, but I'd recommend maxing force. Grinding will be alittle slow with low level grasswalk, but you can just buy speed drugs for pvp, they last an hour and are cheap for a lv 90 char.


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no they wont but alot of the euros will have this as there sub class


Well, then I guess we can only hope to find some euros with either warlock or bard as a subclass to use the force skills on =]


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Or just buy speed drugs -_-'' dunno why everyone is making a fuss of that.


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short and sweet. and quite a different choice of a bow build. good job!


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Or just buy speed drugs -_-'' dunno why everyone is making a fuss of that.


Are you talking to me? Did you even read my post???

I said "We can only hope to find euros with warlock or bard as subclass"...because if they subclass as cleric they can be immune to the Force tree. I wasn't talking about them going bard because of speed >.>


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Well, then I guess we can only hope to find some euros with either warlock or bard as a subclass to use the force skills on =]


like me xD

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It's better to go for max force, because at 60, I believe you only get decay (correct me if I'm wrong). This is very good for pure str, but it'll be much much weaker than decay at lv 90, and if you get higher force, then you can use even more debuffs.

You COULD do it, but I'd recommend maxing force. Grinding will be alittle slow with low level grasswalk, but you can just buy speed drugs for pvp, they last an hour and are cheap for a lv 90 char.


the light buffs help alot but as you said its better 2 max the force tree so ill probably do that


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Rainigul wrote:

So trick is:
Do full debuffing
Explosion arrow
Strongbow
Anti Devil
Combo arrow.



wrong order
goes like this.

Debuff
combo (they should have gotten close to you by now so kb will do it)
then strong bow
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Cool guide. What program did u use for editing pic and all ??

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ranger4life wrote:
Rainigul wrote:

So trick is:
Do full debuffing
Explosion arrow
Strongbow
Anti Devil
Combo arrow.



wrong order
goes like this.

Debuff
combo (they should have gotten close to you by now so kb will do it)
then strong bow
anti devil
explosion


nah youre also wrong

debuff
combo
devil arrow
strongbow
antidevil.

check your cooldowns and cast times buddy.

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I dont know what u think, but I personally think this bow build with force sucks.
I pvped with a dude in my server named YourKiller, a force bower that like to go around server claiming himself the best bower in the server. He didnt even stand a chance against me. All he did was casting curses over and over again, which I just use decurse pills to neutralize it when I attacked him. I didnt even have to use dagger on him,just need my 2hand skills. only 1 crit from first daredevil hit, the second follow up and hes already on the floor.
No point taking force mastery.

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MrFudge wrote:
ranger4life wrote:
Rainigul wrote:

So trick is:
Do full debuffing
Explosion arrow
Strongbow
Anti Devil
Combo arrow.



wrong order
goes like this.

Debuff
combo (they should have gotten close to you by now so kb will do it)
then strong bow
anti devil
explosion


nah youre also wrong

debuff
combo
devil arrow
strongbow
antidevil.

check your cooldowns and cast times buddy.
you're all wrong.

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debuff - to weaken atks/defs of target
combo - to get target away from u
strongbow - for high dmg & stun/crit chances at l8r lvls
explosion series - usually hits high, for high lvls its compareable dmg with stronbow+ if it crits target is dead or very close & not sure if we get it @ 90 but the book after devil arrow has darkness + burn chances
antidevil - can hit a lil higher than devil arrow/strongbow if it crits
start over at combo, if/when debufs run out start over @ them.

PVE

mindbow - to attract lots of mobs
strongbow (same mob as previous skill) - crit might finish it off & stun will keep it off of u
antidevil (almost full hp agroed mob) - to get some decent dmg
explosion series (same mob as previous skill) - high dmg + splash will hopefuly kill multiple mobs
antidevil again/combo/mindbow (on mob close to dying) - just to finish a mob off and/or attract more
debuffs - only use on giants and pt champs/giants

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mike2007 wrote:
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ranger4life wrote:

wrong order
goes like this.

Debuff
combo (they should have gotten close to you by now so kb will do it)
then strong bow
anti devil
explosion


nah youre also wrong

debuff
combo
devil arrow
strongbow
antidevil.

check your cooldowns and cast times buddy.
you're all wrong.

PVP

debuff - to weaken atks/defs of target
combo - to get target away from u
strongbow - for high dmg & stun/crit chances at l8r lvls
explosion series - usually hits high, for high lvls its compareable dmg with stronbow+ if it crits target is dead or very close & not sure if we get it @ 90 but the book after devil arrow has darkness + burn chances
antidevil - can hit a lil higher than devil arrow/strongbow if it crits
start over at combo, if/when debufs run out start over @ them.

all u losers are wron this is the p0wn4g3 trick:

anti-devil
combo
strongbow
explosion
debuffs

8) :P.

nice guide :D but wont garment be more suitable for pure str's?

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You might want to re-think the SP Required. When I put this into Nivlam I get well over 600k. I'll do it again and give you the exact amount. (I did it without including Lightning/Cold, so it will be even more). I'll also include essential lightning and essential cold as an extra.

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SP Required at 90 cap without Cold/Light: 663,442 (Mastery 270/300)

SP Required for Lightning: 2,406
SP Required for Cold: 2,407

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