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jtryp
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:30 am |
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What levels are you talking about when you mention pvp...? Some of it seems a bit off, maybe more true in lower lvls or something. I have 2 guildmates that have this build, well ones 80% mag balance and the other is closer to your build. After pvping, jobbing, warring at 90 they both rerolled cuz they don't like their chars. What you said about int s/s isn't true, I'm int s/s and the 80% balance one is really easy for me to kill, and the 70% one takes a bit longer but still will lose more often then not. They can both win but not that often, mostly depend on crit chains.
Ironwall reduces your damage quite a bit. If you ice wall any int with half a brain will phantom away and nuke you and you will sure lose a nuking battle vs pure int. In jobs and wars you can't nuke as hard as ints and they can't tank like strs and they need to be close to do most of their damage and up close they die easy.
I've always wanted to build a char like this as well it seems quite fun, but both the people I've mentioned have been playing for years and they both said this build is weaker then most others, and they regret capping them.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:36 am |
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Very good explained guide. Very good explained pvp tactics. But... did you actualy made this build and played it, or is this all just theory? I don't think that this build will work as good as you want it to Oh and that fire walls and frost walls, how much hits can they take? I haven't allocated any SP in them yet, so I'm wondering if it is realy worth it.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:49 pm |
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Barotix wrote: Warlocks are annoying. You cast Ice Wall and they just go screw it and walk away until you get impatient. lol stun removes the walls
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:11 pm |
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PeroMed wrote: Very good explained guide. Very good explained pvp tactics. But... did you actualy made this build and played it, or is this all just theory? I don't think that this build will work as good as you want it to Oh and that fire walls and frost walls, how much hits can they take? I haven't allocated any SP in them yet, so I'm wondering if it is realy worth it. Played the build, enjoyed it, took a break for school so I couldn't cap it early. Wasn't going to make a guide until after capping but I got impatient and said screw it. I never used Fire wall or Ice wall. Only good in 1v1. Venus is home of the "cluster f uck" @jtryp, I would like to see your friends pvping. They should be winning a little bit more than losing. A lot of your complaint's seem trivial and can easily be overcome. Quote: Ironwall reduces your damage quite a bit. If you ice wall any int with half a brain will phantom away and nuke you and you will sure lose a nuking battle vs pure int. In jobs and wars you can't nuke as hard as ints and they can't tank like strs and they need to be close to do most of their damage and up close they die easy.
Fan storm reduces your damage quite a bit. I play on Venus. I have to work with what I got and on Venus most ints don't have half a brain. This build isn't meant to stand there and nuke. =] Well it is a 69:70 int spear, It's supposed to attack up close. These are small complaints that can be overlooked. Every build has it's weakness. Last thing though: How did they pvp? Did they follow my survival tactics? This build requires more brain than brawn. @The champion, warlock stun doesn't remove walls. =]
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:10 pm |
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whoops i meant sprint assult stun
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:55 pm |
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Barotix wrote: Fan storm reduces your damage quite a bit. I play on Venus. I have to work with what I got and on Venus most ints don't have half a brain. This build isn't meant to stand there and nuke. =] Well it is a 69:70 int spear, It's supposed to attack up close. These are small complaints that can be overlooked. Every build has it's weakness. Last thing though: How did they pvp? Did they follow my survival tactics? This build requires more brain than brawn.
Yah they've been around since 60 cap so they're both pretty good. I agree with the "balanced" claim they could kill any type, pure int, str, hybrids, but they ended up losing more often to them then winning even though they could win as well if that makes sense? like a 70% lose ratio vs good pure str or ints. s/s keeps them on their back so long that there dps doesn't matter that much compared to a pure strs pure burst of 2 crits in a row that will instantly drop any int. On str they fare a bit better but again if he gets couple crits they would die too. I think their biggest problem with the build was wars tho... it's more of a solo build, because in a group pvp they can't tank like pure str or dmg like pure int.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:48 pm |
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pure str just survive cause of high crits, imo hybrids are made to constantly do pretty much damage, instead of waiting for those 1/2/3 big crits.. and pure INT's just gotta have v good gear to do as much damage as they can while on snowshield so in 2 min
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:39 pm |
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Quote: if that makes sense =] It makes a lot of sense. They can win but they don't win often and yes: This build is mainly solo. Do they still play? It would be nice to see this build at level 90.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:38 pm |
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Hey Baro at 100 cap should we got pure int?
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:09 am |
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Hustlar wrote: pure str just survive cause of high crits, imo hybrids are made to constantly do pretty much damage, instead of waiting for those 1/2/3 big crits.. and pure INT's just gotta have v good gear to do as much damage as they can while on snowshield so in 2 min This is right but the problem with dps is one knockdown, stun, knock back, ect and your damage is all potted back to full. Int's have a similar problem with str chars that have a ton of hp, lucky stun or kd gives the str time to pot back up to full, while for str chars 2-3 well timed crits and your opponent is dead with no chance to pot. Also Barotix- the guy with the 80% spear sold his char, not sure what the one with the build closer to yours did with his char. He might still have it or a friend playing it, I'll ask next time I talk to him.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:01 am |
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why is my magical ballance in game different than when i calculate it at nivlams page?
if i put same amount of str and int i get different magical balance and health than at game.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:29 am |
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thechampion80 wrote: Barotix wrote: Warlocks are annoying. You cast Ice Wall and they just go screw it and walk away until you get impatient. lol stun removes the walls no not from warlocks smartass, only warriors can do it with stun.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:30 am |
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PeroMed wrote: why is my magical ballance in game different than when i calculate it at nivlams page?
if i put same amount of str and int i get different magical balance and health than at game. you sure you got all your gear off?
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:37 am |
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Yes I took it all off.
But even if I wouldnt and I would enter same str and int in nivlams calculator as i have under character stats shouldnt I get the same mag and phy balance? Does premiums magical absorbtion percents and others, affect on my balance?
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:40 pm |
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:51 pm |
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man do ppl actually not read? you bought premium without knowing it highers % of everything and gives +int and +str? damn talking about lazy these days. GO Farking READ FOR Farking ONCE IN YOUR RETARDED LIFE KID, HOLD UR MOUSE ON PREMIUM AND READ THE Farking WHOLE SHITTY BLOCK, INSTEAD OF ASKING RETARDED THINGS ON THIS FORUM WHICH MAKES ME HOLDING CAPSLOCK FOR Farking 10 SECONDS. Oke thanks, i can sleep well tonight again
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:03 pm |
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Hustlar wrote: thechampion80 wrote: Barotix wrote: Warlocks are annoying. You cast Ice Wall and they just go screw it and walk away until you get impatient. lol stun removes the walls no not from warlocks smartass, only warriors can do it with stun. I said that earlier can you actually READ
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:59 pm |
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Hustlar wrote: man do ppl actually not read? you bought premium without knowing it highers % of everything and gives +int and +str? damn talking about lazy these days. GO Farking READ FOR Farking ONCE IN YOUR RETARDED LIFE KID, HOLD UR MOUSE ON PREMIUM AND READ THE Farking WHOLE SHITTY BLOCK, INSTEAD OF ASKING RETARDED THINGS ON THIS FORUM WHICH MAKES ME HOLDING CAPSLOCK FOR Farking 10 SECONDS. Oke thanks, i can sleep well tonight again Who are you talking to? If you didnt see in my post I asked if premiums +5% stats affect on my balance. That means that I am aware of the extra stats I am given with premium gold. And I am asking if magical absorbtion and such affect my ballance or does only str and int affect my balance... And dude relax, don't be so angry... buy a dog... go take a walk. PeroMed wrote: Does premiums magical absorbtion percents and others, affect on my balance?
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:57 am |
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Absorption has no effect on your %.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:28 pm |
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Hustlar wrote: man do ppl actually not read? you bought premium without knowing it highers % of everything and gives +int and +str? damn talking about lazy these days. GO Farking READ FOR Farking ONCE IN YOUR RETARDED LIFE KID, HOLD UR MOUSE ON PREMIUM AND READ THE Farking WHOLE SHITTY BLOCK, INSTEAD OF ASKING RETARDED THINGS ON THIS FORUM WHICH MAKES ME HOLDING CAPSLOCK FOR Farking 10 SECONDS. Oke thanks, i can sleep well tonight again Holding Caps Lock doesn't do anything. -.- Just so you know. It's called Shift... Just a tip, don't make mistakes while insulting someone ELSE'S intelligence. Makes you look even more stupid than you were accusing them of being. Very nice guide Barotix, might have to try it sometime.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:29 am |
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I searched through the forum and there I found only 3 different int hybrid 1:5, 1:7 and this 69:70. Does this mean all others are not good?
I wanted to get as close as possible to this build but I'm going to have 80 magical balance because I was pure int till lvl 80 and that would mean that my hybrid will be 1:3.
What do you think? Should I go for 1:3 or should I go for 1:5?
Thank you.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:50 pm |
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1:5 is a reliable hybrid spear. I don't have experience with 1:3 and I don't think anyone on this forum has a 1:3 spear so as to to not jeopardize your build (unless you want to be the first 1:3 hybrid) go 1:5.
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:22 pm |
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that bulid is fine :S 80% mag
but it isnt a 1:3 build... no idea where that number came from
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:04 am |
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what do you mean it isn't 1:3?
I made it in Nivlams stats program that I have 80% magical and 63% physical balance and I got: str: 173 - 109 = 64 int: 312 - 109 = 203
then 203/64 = 3,17 and that's approximately 3 so that means 1:3... Or am I calculating wrong?
If I delevel my char what happens to stat points? Do they drop with lvl or do they stay the same?
So if I do make a bad decision with 1:3 can I delevel at lvl 90 by 5 lvls or maybe a little more and when I lvl back up put all stat points in int to achieve 1:5 build?
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:40 pm |
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there's nothing wrong with a 80% int hybrid and no you can't redistribute the stat points
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:24 pm |
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Best Spear Guide i've seen! =) And it seems to be very strong!
But one question: "Why dont u use a fire imbue for higher damges?"
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:48 pm |
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Thats just one hell of a perfect guide must of took some time, tough, worth it gj
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:24 pm |
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Sjo3rd wrote: Best Spear Guide i've seen! =) And it seems to be very strong!
But one question: "Why dont u use a fire imbue for higher damges?" er... he has fire at 90 >_>
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:56 pm |
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bumping this thread because the guide is awesome
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Post subject: Re: [GUIDE]69:70 Heuksal Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:24 am |
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amazing guide and very interesting build barotix. i have a few questions. 1. where it says "When you finish:" there are maxed heuksal skills and fire nuke, but i also see a lightning nuke. why get light nukes if your only maxing it at 60? 2. i have a spear char right now, 7:1 lvl 33. is there a good balance between 7:1 and 69:70 that still deals nice damage with nukes? 3. also, if i do go between this build and 7:1, will i still be able to go 90:90:60:60? thanks very much
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