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 Post subject: 70:70 Archer [GUIDE]
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:17 pm 
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Due to popular demand, I decided to create my own - Original! 70:70 Hybrid Bow guide!

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Although first video is 80:80 - it's same build just with added STR and INT, which most gear will have.
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PS - I know it's a small and not very detailed, but after you play the build you'll get to know it.

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Don't listen to this guy he's a noob :P

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I believe this build needs higher snow than just lv 30. IMO, it would have a hard time against bladers. Imagine: debuffs are successfull, but the blader blocks a strong bow / devil arrow. The blader procedes to knocking down, and quad stabbing the bower, dealing some consistent criticals. With lv 30 snow, you're guaranteed to go down pretty fast.

At 80 cap, the 70:70 could have functioned just fine, with 80 fire / 80 pacheon / 70 light / 70 cold, but now, at 90 cap, it's becoming ever more obvious, that the build is VERY tree-dependent. 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 60 light / 60 cold would be the way to go, but then again, the light is relatively low, giving moderate mobility, and cold makes a huge jump in defense from 60 to 90.

Full STR bow can take pacheon/fire/force, because light or cold aren't that important for full STR. However, a hybrid needs both magical attack and the cold tree. That's the difference, and that's the reason why I think that full STR can take force, but 70:70 can NOT.

IMO, there's two valid options:
90 pacheon
90 light
90 cold
30 fire (in garments)

and

90 fire
90 pacheon
60 light
60 cold.

Here's a video of BossMan's 90/90/60/60 build failing against a blader:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zqusf8d9QyM

Notice he gets nowhere near killing the blader. However, when snow goes down, the blader activates Bicheon force and rapes the bower. In the video, he doesn't even have quad stab!

If the 60 cold build failed against the blader, and the bower came nowhere near killing him because of the constant KD's, then how will the 30 cold build do? Do you get my point?

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 Post subject: Re: 70:70 Archer [GUIDE]
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I've a hybrid int S/S and Hybrid bow, both only using 30% snowshield, both live.

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Great guide :)


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lol never considered a hybrid force archer. i've seen a hybrid force glavier. well if you've got this build to a high lvl on pacific i'll pvp you some time with my pure str bow and see if the builds worth having a shot at.
EDIT: stress your second build idea is the one i used for my bowman ^^

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Res is a must.Also the therapy helps a lot more than most people think


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Nice guide ^^

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Why would you take force? a 70:70 bow build is already based on dealing high fps. this way it would have VERY high dps, tho you didn't thought of any defence?

offence=best defence in some situations, not this one.

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If you look ahead for force at the 100 cap, there will be the 80% stun vital spot. Although it is a very tough decision, unless you decide not to have snow shield. Force is basically a warlock sub for euros with all the defuffs.

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Here's a video of BossMan's 90/90/60/60 build failing against a blader:


If u looked good at the end before he died, he got hitted bij a wizard earth quake that hitted him for 6-7k, thats the reason he died.

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 Post subject: Re: 70:70 Archer [GUIDE]
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hey :]

do you recommend starting with INT or STR for the first few lvls? =O

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Go pure INT until level 16, IMO. Then, full STR until 24, and you should be somewhere around the 70:70 balance.

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thanks ;] lvl 25 now, nice damage and kinda good survivability. looking forward to get highlvl with it ;D


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Hey, I like the guide and I'm going to give a go. :D

One thing, what's the song in the first vid of the 80:80 hybrid? :D


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Stress wrote:
Here's a video of BossMan's 90/90/60/60 build failing against a blader:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zqusf8d9QyM


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LoL another wizard in the backwards has just attacked someone there and bow char got hit like 5k from that :D blader couldnt kill her otherwise .. watch it again and try to see that earth magic skill of wizards..



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what about the bossman build modified to

cold 60 > cold 90 (+180 phy def difference)
light 60 > light 30
fire 90
bow 90

even a glavier would have very little chance taking him down tho he would have slightly less dmg and would need runing pots when not grindin

with all the warriors and damn rouges around , i say it might be worth it ... and despite the less dmg its a matter of max +1 shot taking a euro down(w/o bless/ screens)

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 Post subject: Re: 70:70 Archer [GUIDE]
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Stress wrote:
I believe this build needs higher snow than just lv 30. IMO, it would have a hard time against bladers. Imagine: debuffs are successfull, but the blader blocks a strong bow / devil arrow. The blader procedes to knocking down, and quad stabbing the bower, dealing some consistent criticals. With lv 30 snow, you're guaranteed to go down pretty fast.

At 80 cap, the 70:70 could have functioned just fine, with 80 fire / 80 pacheon / 70 light / 70 cold, but now, at 90 cap, it's becoming ever more obvious, that the build is VERY tree-dependent. 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 60 light / 60 cold would be the way to go, but then again, the light is relatively low, giving moderate mobility, and cold makes a huge jump in defense from 60 to 90.

Full STR bow can take pacheon/fire/force, because light or cold aren't that important for full STR. However, a hybrid needs both magical attack and the cold tree. That's the difference, and that's the reason why I think that full STR can take force, but 70:70 can NOT.

IMO, there's two valid options:
90 pacheon
90 light
90 cold
30 fire (in garments)

and

90 fire
90 pacheon
60 light
60 cold.

Here's a video of BossMan's 90/90/60/60 build failing against a blader:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zqusf8d9QyM

Notice he gets nowhere near killing the blader. However, when snow goes down, the blader activates Bicheon force and rapes the bower. In the video, he doesn't even have quad stab!

If the 60 cold build failed against the blader, and the bower came nowhere near killing him because of the constant KD's, then how will the 30 cold build do? Do you get my point?


Force 80 = Impotent, that helps a lot too, and unless the blader is pilling the force debuffs there should be no problem for the archer to tank.

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70:70 sounds good. Im tryin to decide between 90wep/90fire/60cold/60light and 90wep/90light/60cold/60fire(both in prot). Im kinda thinking the second because this is an int hybrid and fire isnt as important. Tell me what you think guys. Also, has anyone seen a pvp between 70:70 and pure str? Pure str is the most common bow build, but i think this will be better. But ive never actually seen them pvp before...

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Can someone do guide about 70:70 without Force? forse is good from 70lvl ..

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Stress wrote:
I believe this build needs higher snow than just lv 30. IMO, it would have a hard time against bladers. Imagine: debuffs are successfull, but the blader blocks a strong bow / devil arrow. The blader procedes to knocking down, and quad stabbing the bower, dealing some consistent criticals. With lv 30 snow, you're guaranteed to go down pretty fast.

At 80 cap, the 70:70 could have functioned just fine, with 80 fire / 80 pacheon / 70 light / 70 cold, but now, at 90 cap, it's becoming ever more obvious, that the build is VERY tree-dependent. 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 60 light / 60 cold would be the way to go, but then again, the light is relatively low, giving moderate mobility, and cold makes a huge jump in defense from 60 to 90.

Full STR bow can take pacheon/fire/force, because light or cold aren't that important for full STR. However, a hybrid needs both magical attack and the cold tree. That's the difference, and that's the reason why I think that full STR can take force, but 70:70 can NOT.

IMO, there's two valid options:
90 pacheon
90 light
90 cold
30 fire (in garments)

and

90 fire
90 pacheon
60 light
60 cold.

Here's a video of BossMan's 90/90/60/60 build failing against a blader:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zqusf8d9QyM

Notice he gets nowhere near killing the blader. However, when snow goes down, the blader activates Bicheon force and rapes the bower. In the video, he doesn't even have quad stab!

If the 60 cold build failed against the blader, and the bower came nowhere near killing him because of the constant KD's, then how will the 30 cold build do? Do you get my point?




but in that pvp the archer die coz of the wizz who make a Earth Quake :)


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just remember...other ppl & including myself will like to just play around w/ u and ice imbue for the heck of it, XD

so fun to freeze builds that dont have fire shield nowadays


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Xbow Rogue > 70:70 archer. :twisted:

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Xbow Rogue > 70:70 archer. :twisted:


yeah right --> dream on -.-

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I started a new character with these skills. It's only lvl 3 now, and Im just curious how should i distribute my stat points? Up until now i only put them to STR. I see that, at lvl 90 how much you have, but how many should I put to each when I'm lower lvl?


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um, is there a way i can take skills away?
i added some in the first row on ice :/

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sleggen wrote:
um, is there a way i can take skills away?
i added some in the first row on ice :/

Go to the potion lady, after lvl 20, and accept the Cursed Heart quest. Collect cursed hearts by killing mobs, go back to the lady with 10 cursed hearts (increments of 10) and get a Resuscitation potion [example: 10 cursed hearts=1 Resuscitation potion. 30 cursed hearts=3 Resuscitation potions] . Then talk to her again and click the skill reallocation button (or whatever it says).
Delvl 1 skill per 1 Resuscitation potion, +about 25k gold per skill.
Scratch that!



I found this guide, it explains the quest a lot better! :D
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=243

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Stress wrote:
I believe this build needs higher snow than just lv 30. IMO, it would have a hard time against bladers. Imagine: debuffs are successfull, but the blader blocks a strong bow / devil arrow. The blader procedes to knocking down, and quad stabbing the bower, dealing some consistent criticals. With lv 30 snow, you're guaranteed to go down pretty fast.

At 80 cap, the 70:70 could have functioned just fine, with 80 fire / 80 pacheon / 70 light / 70 cold, but now, at 90 cap, it's becoming ever more obvious, that the build is VERY tree-dependent. 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 60 light / 60 cold would be the way to go, but then again, the light is relatively low, giving moderate mobility, and cold makes a huge jump in defense from 60 to 90.

Full STR bow can take pacheon/fire/force, because light or cold aren't that important for full STR. However, a hybrid needs both magical attack and the cold tree. That's the difference, and that's the reason why I think that full STR can take force, but 70:70 can NOT.

IMO, there's two valid options:
90 pacheon
90 light
90 cold
30 fire (in garments)

and

90 fire
90 pacheon
60 light
60 cold.

Here's a video of BossMan's 90/90/60/60 build failing against a blader:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zqusf8d9QyM

Notice he gets nowhere near killing the blader. However, when snow goes down, the blader activates Bicheon force and rapes the bower. In the video, he doesn't even have quad stab!

If the 60 cold build failed against the blader, and the bower came nowhere near killing him because of the constant KD's, then how will the 30 cold build do? Do you get my point?


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