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Here you go. If facts in your opinion means talking a load of bullcrap that go against the exact things you have been saying for the campaign (and years before that), then erm, sure.

@ TheDrop... Where did I imply that Fox isn't just as bias as the liberal media? Also, nice "gotcha moment" you spotted a man's handkerchief. If you watch, he actually uses it, probably didn't want that awkward moment of fondling in his pocket during the debate.

I don't know where you're going with this crusade of trying to make sure the rest of us know he's full of shit. I find it ironic though that you're doing this, while believing Obama isn't just as full of shit. Kinda makes me think you're just as smart as the people voting for Romney. Either Obama or Romney, you're still going down the same path, so what are you fussing over?

The "cheat sheet" that all the Dem's have been raging about was actually a handkerchief.

not surprised of the voting outcome due to most europeans can feel more "related" to obamas politics then romney. In the democratic election where only 2 parties are debating(sarcasm) Obamas democratic politics are pretty equal to european right wing politics. Romneys would seem neo-nazish to us. So yeeeee 40votes obama 5 romney, boya. I assume ppl voted anyway even if they're european.


And if romney gets elected he gets installed in 2013....and we all know there won't be a 2013

Well you can't complain about the "liberal media" while totally ignoring the most biased and (unfortunately) most watched news network.
Im displaying my opinions about Mitt Romney on a gaming forum, i dont understand why you'd think i am raging on him
And while both Romney and Obama would probably have similar presidencies, it shows where the country is going, especially in social issues.

Also my bad, apparently people still use handkerchiefs

Finally got to watch the Romney v. Obama debate and damn Romney knows how to speak. I disagree with 98% of what he is saying but he makes me want to agree with him.

Spoilers!

Maybe... your dream will become reality? @BuDo

Judging from the recent Gallup poll, it appears Romney has a significant lead over Obama atm. Interesting.

(Of course, I know little about polling/whether or not Gallup poll is biased towards either candidate, but eh.)

well just an add on, there was a survey in sweden where you could vote and 91% of the swedish pop voted obama, one state had 21% romney, I guess we can't relate to his politics since they'd seem nationalistic/racist if he'd be running in a euro country.

Same here.

I was gonna vote for Obama, but he taught me to believe in change.

I'll be voting for Gary Johnson come november. have a good day.

^This

totally agree. the system is just shit.

Oh and republicans annoy me so much with their arguments and accusations:

1. They keep blaming obama for high gas prices. Oil price is indexed to the international prices. The president has very little control over it. So why are you blaming him for it? It's even sadder that people are so uneducated that they believe this when someone from the GOP says it.
2. Obama never went on an "apology tour" for america. He never went around saying sorry to every state leader in the world. What the ****?
3. They keep blaming obama for the deficit. Guess what, we had a recession and a stimulus that went into it. Also, a significant part of the deficits accumulated under obama are due to tax cuts, breaks, and extensions that obama signed, not simply because he "increased the size of the government". Wait, who are the ones who had been screaming for lower taxes? Also, in the last 30 years, its republican presidents that have run up deficits while in office, most recently bush. Clinton is a democrat, he raised taxes and the economy boomed. Who knew?

I'm going to pretend my side is right because the other side is wrong... These are all great points for why the Democratic party isn't complete shit... oh, wait, no it's not... Hilarious how people can blame one president for a certain action in the same paragraph they let another president off the hook because the president doesn't have any power of said aspect.

1)If the president decides to turn down bills for new pipeline construct, it does take a toll on oil prices here in the U.S. There are plenty of other things the president can do to effect prices because they are driven by speculators.

2)Okay, He might not have always apologized, but he certainly did go kiss some ass and bow down to saudi leaders and such. Think him and Hugo had a little thing going as well... but hey, it was only on every news channel on TV and cable back in his first year, but apparently, according to you, that did not take place.

3)I'll address the little bit of it that makes sense. One, there are more than one way to go about getting out of a recession. Not everyone comes from the Paul Krugman school of economics. Again Bush shouldn't have signed off on a stimulus nor should Obama have done so. Two, to say whether or not more spending took place under which ever president is kind of irreverent seeing as the congress is the part of government that controls the spending. Also progressive legislation often times takes effect throughout other presidents terms and not just the original signer of the spending bill. If we really wanted to get down to it, I'm sure we could make a case why the trouble we have now is more FDR's fault than either Bush or Obama's.

Anyways, both parties have it wrong, both buy into special interest over their constituents. The media's brainwashing everyone into right or left which keeps people ignorant of this fact, neither party has what's best for America.

^I skim through your posts in this thread and your really cynical about both parties and talk as if you know everything. Its just about the worst thing to be like if your even remotely interested in a decent discussion.

I know for my first point, you are dead wrong. The president cannot control oil prices. Turning down domestic pipeline construction affects oil prices in the US? Do you seriously believe that? The US has very little oil compared to the middle east. Even if we pumped all our oil fields at maximum capacity, it would do little to lower prices by increasing supply because we produce so little compared to what the middle east produces. A more accurate statement would be that anything that affects their ability to output more oil (which would bring prices down) would affect prices in the US - events like global recessions, higher oil consumption in china, middle east unrest, etc etc. are what affect the global supply and demand of oil, which affects its barrel price and ultimately its price at the pump in the US.

Anything that the president does is really long-term effect (signing bills, deregulation, etc). He can't do anything to immediately influence the price of oil. So if you actually believe newt gingrich when he says that obama is preventing gas prices from falling to $2.50, your believing the horseshit hes spewing. Blaming the president for high oil prices is like blaming the president for bad weather.

Did anyone ever think that we are focusing far to much on who the next president will be and not enough on voting in compitent congressmen? We do have these things calle checks and balances here in the good old us of a.



Ps. regardless of who wins we are farked. Until we take corporate interests and money hungry politicians out of politics.

True.. But out of these two "which one is worst?" xD

Couldn't figure out, that's why I didn't vote in the poll.

Is there a reason I shouldn't be cynical about both parties? As someone who works for a living, I don't get any welfare checks, so why would I vote democrat? As someone that doesn't agree with policing the world and endless wars, why would I vote republican? As someone that disagrees with having my personal liberties stripped away, why would I want either party? I talk about what I know, you won't see me in an anime thread talking about Dragon Ball Z because I don't know shit about it, but I know enough about politics to rant on the subject for months... el oh el..

About the one thing you had the heart to rebut, oil prices are still driven by speculators, so not all variables that effect price at the pump come from the international market. The U.S. government has plenty of ways of raising and lowering the prices at the pump just through taxes, not even mentioning other legislation/regulations. Again, not "dead wrong" and why would I need to listen to any thing Gingrich has to say on the matter.. If you want to give me facts, I'll happily concede to you being correct, but as long as we're talking theory, anything is open to interpretation. (even my beliefs which evolve base off information and certain events)

1. tbf people did blame Bush when the price of hit $4+ 4 years ago, though obviously presidents have shit to do with oil companies...other than the oil companies getting subsidies, which is kinda a win for them. Also, why is gas price so high (not as high in VA as it was in Bush's) while all the oil companies are making an increasing amount of profit?
2. Ofc. he didn't but they want to make him look weak on foreign policy..its really just the retards at Fox news.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/0 ... s-a/148908
back from 2009
Sean Hannity (lol) airs the clip of Obama saying (the part romney said in the debate) Then he cuts tape right after, where Obama says
Basically saying many Europeans are ignorant and hate America for no reason (and i think its agreeable being on this board of that). Ofc Hannity & Fox News ignore that with their "fair and balanced" and "in-context" reporting.
And ofc Fox News bitching at fact-checkers
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/ ... ur-attack/
They say that fact checkers said the "apology tour" claim is false because Obama didn't explicitly say "apology or sorry". But they ignore the fact that the fact checkers also looked at past presidential tours (Bush's, Clinton's) and didn't found much difference between their speeches abroad and Obama's speeches.
They tell the most BS but there are hardworking Fictions across the country that don't have time to check fact checkers so they just get their news from Fox, after all Fox is the most watch cable news and considered the most "trust worthy"

Bill maher (or his writers) talk some true shit idd in New Rules

lmao only if Cain was running

I'll just be glad when it's over, regardless of the outcome. So tired of hearing about politics.