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Diary entry for May 21, 1945
Source: Joseph E. Davies Papers, Library of Congress, box 17, 21 May 1945

He [F.D.R.] wanted me to explore matters of possible differences with Churchill and get his ideas, but specifically he wanted me to sell the idea that he, the President, and Stalin should have an opportunity to get to know each other before the meeting. He was perfectly straight-forward about it, and of course there would be no danger of his double-crossing either. What he wanted to do if possible was to preserve unity of the “Big Three” for clearly there would be no Peace unless the Allies could cooperate.
He did not want to meet until July. He had his budget (*) on his hands. He also told me of another reason, etc. The test was set for June, but had been postponed until July.
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Footnote (*): The atomic bomb. He told me then of the atomic bomb experiment in Nevada. Charged me with utmost secrecy.

"Notes of the Interim Committee Meeting Thursday, 31 May 1945, 10:00 A.M. to 1:15 P.M. – 2:15 P.M. to 4:15 P.M.," n.d., Top Secret
Source: RG 77, MED Records, H-B files, folder no. 100 (copy from microfilm)

VIII. EFFECT OF THE BOMBING ON THE JAPANESE AND THEIR WILL TO FIGHT:
It was pointed out that one atomic bomb on an arsenal would not be much different from the effect caused by any Air Corps strike of present dimensions. However, Dr. Oppenheimer stated that the visual effect of an atomic bombing would be tremendous. It would be accompanied by a brilliant luminescence which would rise to a height of 10,000 to 20,000 feet. The neutron effect of the explosion would be dangerous to life for a radius of at least two-thirds of a mile.
After much discussion concerning various types of targets and the effects to be produced, the Secretary expressed the conclusion, on which there was general agreement that we could not give the Japanese any warning; that we could not concentrate on a civilian area; but that we should seek to make a profound psychological impression on as many of the inhabitants as possible. At the suggestion of Dr. Conant the Secretary agreed that the most desirable target would be a vital war plant employing a large number of workers and closely surrounded by workers’ houses.

“The World Will Note”: President Truman Announces the Atom Bomb

My fellow Americans, the British, Chinese and United States governments have given the Japanese people adequate warning of what is in store for them. The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and unfortunately thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately and save themselves.

Broadcast from the Oval Room of the White House, nationally, and over a world-wide hookup December 9, 1941 -- 10:00 pm

In these past few years -- and, most violently, in the past three days -- we have learned a terrible lesson.
It is our obligation to our dead -- it is our sacred obligation to their children and to our children -- that we must never forget what we have learned.
And what we have learned is this:
There is no such thing as security for any nation -- or any individual -- in a world ruled by the principles of gangsterism. There is no such thing as impregnable defense against powerful aggressors who sneak up in the dark and strike without warning.
We have learned that our ocean-girt hemisphere is not immune from severe attack -- that we cannot measure our safety in terms of miles on any map any more.
We may acknowledge that our enemies have performed a brilliant feat of deception, perfectly timed and executed with great skill. It was a thoroughly dishonorable deed, but we must face the fact that modern warfare as conducted in the Nazi manner is a dirty business. We don't like it -- we didn't want to get in it -- but we are in it and we're going to fight it with everything we've got.
I do not think any American has any doubt of our ability to administer proper punishment to the perpetrators of these crimes. Your Government knows that for weeks Germany has been telling Japan that if Japan did not attack the United States, Japan would not share in dividing the spoils with Germany when peace came. She was promised by Germany that if she came in she would receive the complete and perpetual control of the whole of the Pacific area -- and that means not only the Ear East, but also all of the Islands in the Pacific, and also a stranglehold on the west coast of North, Central and South America. We know also that Germany and Japan are conducting their military and naval operations in accordance with a joint plan. That plan considers all peoples and nations which are not helping the Axis powers as common enemies of each and every one of the Axis powers.

"Hoshina Memorandum" on the Emperor's "Sacred Decision [go-seidan]," 9-10 August, 1945
Source: Zenshiro Hoshina, Daitoa Senso Hishi: Hoshina Zenshiro Kaiso-roku [Secret History of the Greater East Asia War: Memoir of Zenshiro Hoshina] (Tokyo, Japan: Hara-Shobo, 1975), excerpts from Section 5, "The Emperor made go-seidan [= the sacred decision] – the decision to terminate the war," 139-149 [translation by Hikaru Tajima]

Minister of Army Korechika Anami:

"I totally disagree. The reason is that our country is going to lose its life as a moral nation is we accept the Cairo Declaration, we need to have the four conditions accepted. I especially cannot agree with an idea that we will make a unilateral propositions to an immoral nation like the Soviet Union. We should live up to our cause even our hundred million people have to die side by side in battle. We have no choice other than to continue the war by all means. I am confident that we are ready fro the battles. I am sure we are well prepared for a decisive battle on our mainland, even against the united States. Our military forces stationed in foreign countries might not be willing to retreat unconditional. There is also considerable sentiment among the people at home in fighting th war until the end, thus we may well face a civil war.

Have Germany start another war after that, or Japan or any other country ? NO. But america sure dose... Vietnam, Cold War, and now the Iraq all this "terrorismitic" things going on. Who is the terrorist ? america or Sadam Husein ? How many americans in USA have died from the hand of Sadam ? 0 how many americans have died from the hand of another americans back in 9/11 ? SO MANY :O Osama ? Dose realy he killed all this ppl or this was something planed long ago lol ?
Thats why I dont have respect...

SO if I kill someones family I`ll be justified by your loginc ?


<< Is this too far too or not, if it is I can quit this forums if I have no right to speak >>

In war yes.
As sad as it is, that is what war is.

Are you ... ugh... how to say it to not be so "far" are you 5 year old ? (Can I go like taht ?)

War is not for killing ppl like going out in the woods for hunting rabbits, its for so many other reasons.... but not for this. This is only the consequence of stupid ppl who thinks like you (I`m not saying you are stupid ) And, if even there is killed ppl they shouldn't be civilians after all there is a human rights right ?
And even if the war WAS for killing ppl as YOU SAID. America is wrong again, because the war over, so in this logic if you are not in war killing ppl is wrong but if you are killing ppl is right -> America is wrong even in your logic.

Guilty !

Guilty !

Refer to the first quote in my sig for my feelings on Valk >.>

Are you angry

Frustrated with ignorance...

Ok this is my last statement about america nad ww 2 in this topic.

For me america is guilty for what was done back in the end of ww2. Nothing cant justify a death of thousands of ppl... If there is something to do it then Hitler isnt wrong for killing so many.

Cant you all understand this ? A DEATH OF HUMAN CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED !
Is it so damn hard ?

OMG
I give up on the world!
Valks last post makes me want to slit my wrists vertically T_T

ROFL

seriously lol
are you bullshitting me or are you really not getting the picture?

Wait, what?

Valk, if the Japanese didn't want their people to die, they probably shouldn't have been involved in a war now should they? In war people die, if Japan starts a war, they better be prepared to have their own people die. Yes in a perfect world only the people that make the decision to go to war should be the ones to die, but we don't live in that world, so you, me and aunt Bertha from Tacoma Washington are the ones that end up paying the price most of the time.

As for your saying nothing justifies a death of a human, you tell me if your mother isn't a prisoner of Unit 731 that I posted earlier, your going to forgive those that did those atrocities to them. I would post some of them here, but I hardly think this is the place for a list of those vile things.

OMG
I give up on the world!
Valks last post makes me want to slit my wrists vertically T_T

sorry couldn't resist.

OMG
thats my picture I sent you!

Ignore Valkasdar he has shown his ignorance many, many, many times.