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Plutonium · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 311 **Location:**

Snoopy wrote:

I love how it's automatically seen as racism when a white guy laughs at a black guy. Seriously, wake up to yourself homo's.

Now if that's not a intolerant hateful homophobic phrase, then I don't know what is. I don't know how longer you can keep up your act and fool people. Why don't u just do yourself a favor and leave this thread and never come back if you can't respect people of different ethnicity/race/sexual orientation?

.curve · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 5:41 am

XemnasXD wrote:

.curve wrote:

1. You're only making my case more. If it's more dominant in Africa than any other country, than obviously they're more fcking likely to spread it.
Adversely, if it's more dominant in gay men, they are more god damn likely to spread it.

1. africa is not a country

again your not reading anything im posting. You posted a percent of a percent. Your information says that of all the men who have AIDS a % of them have had gay sex. Thats all it says. It does not say anywhere that gay people are more likely to spread the disease. The way the disease is spread and the populations its prominent do not scale together. The chance of catching the disease drops to .01 when using a condom between ALL couples. If people use protection gays are no more likely to spread the disease than any other population. So in answer to your original statement that HIV/AIDS is more easily spread in a homosexual relationship the answer is NO. Biologically there is nothing in gay sex that makes the disease easier to spread and if a condom is used the chances of it being spread becomes equal all across the board. The reason why the disease was initially so high in the gay population was simply because we didn't use condoms because we can't have babies.

Is it more common, perhaps, i haven't seen the statics on Gay Men with HIV/AIDS only the statistics on Men with AIDS who have had gay sex which are two completely different numbers.

Lawl meant continent. My fault there.

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Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.

So why do homosexual relations account for more than half of the new HIV cases?

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 5:42 am

@Plutonium

snoopy was trying to call me ugly or something to that effect. That wasn't directed at my race afaik but he has limited intelligence and when back up against the wall has no choice but to start shouting school boy insults. next he'll be making cracks about my mom, and making fun of me because i don't watch Hanna Montana. Again he's not being racist, thats just the best he can come up with.

You probably didn't get the insult because i look damn good and its so obvious that my hair is fantastic, i know, who could possibly have anything bad to say about that. Snoopy thats who, isn't that right little guy. Coochi coochi coo your so cute when you're stupid, yes you are, yes you are!!

Plutonium · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 311 **Location:**

.curve wrote:

Plutonium wrote:

How about seeing a woman kissing another woman or a woman holding another woman's hand? Does that make you angry too? I see it on a daily basis. If that doesn't make you angry, why is it not okay for the opposite gender to do the same?

No, double standard obviously.

Justification?

.curve · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 5:45 am

XemnasXD wrote:

@Plutonium

snoopy was trying to call me ugly or something to that effect. That wasn't directed at my race afaik but he has limited intelligence and when back up against the wall has no choice but to start shouting school boy insults.

It's ironic you say that because once you have lost the argument(which you have, I'm providing numbers and statistics from credible sources), you turn back to little things to nitpick me on. Like the Africa thing.

Plutonium wrote:

.curve wrote:

Plutonium wrote:

How about seeing a woman kissing another woman or a woman holding another woman's hand? Does that make you angry too? I see it on a daily basis. If that doesn't make you angry, why is it not okay for the opposite gender to do the same?

No, double standard obviously.

Justification?

Seeing two girls making out makes me hard.
Seeing two guys make out makes me flaccid and mildly sick.

bakafish · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 5:50 am

XemnasXD wrote:

@Plutonium

snoopy was trying to call me ugly or something to that effect. That wasn't directed at my race afaik but he has limited intelligence and when back up against the wall has no choice but to start shouting school boy insults. next he'll be making cracks about my mom, and making fun of me because i don't watch Hanna Montana. Again he's not being racist, thats just the best he can come up with.

You probably didn't get the insult because i look damn good and its so obvious that my hair is fantastic, i know, who could possibly have anything bad to say about that. Snoopy thats who, isn't that right little guy. Coochi coochi coo your so cute when you're stupid, yes you are, yes you are!!

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 5:57 am

@Curve

The reason is simple. Guys don't like to use condoms. They don't think they need them whether they're straight or gay and if they had a choice without consequences they'd go without the condom. I still don't know if those numbers are exact or where they're getting their data from but AIDS is increasing all across the board in almost every group including straight couples. In the US where the disease initially hit the gay community the hardest it would make sense that we still make up a proportion of the people with the disease. And again the CDC is not the be all end all medical website and its certainly not the biggest authority on AIDS in the US. As someone who actually keeps up with the disease more often than most people in science and health magazines i'd say those numbers are a bit off, but that might just be because they are 4 years old. Also keep in mind that if only 2,000 people reported having AIDS in 2005 than that means only 1000 of them had gay sex which isn't alot of people in the overall, not the best number but not a good number.

Lastly, and i'll say again. Posting numbers and stats without knowing their meaning or how to use them is just as useless as a snoopy post. Your right, you have posted more numbers than me but you've repeatedly confused their meanings and connections with relation to the point you were trying to prove thus rendering them void. I can post a bunch of numbers too and i probably should but i don't feel like taking 2 seconds to google something then pic out the first piece of information i see regardless of the fact that its 4 years out of date and then try to pass it off like i know completely what im talking about now....

.curve · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 6:03 am

XemnasXD wrote:

@Curve

The reason is simple. Guys don't like to use condoms. They don't think they need them whether they're straight or gay and if they had a choice without consequences they'd go without the condom. I still don't know if those numbers are exact or where they're getting their data from but AIDS is increasing all across the board in almost every group including straight couples. In the US where the disease initially hit the gay community the hardest it would make sense that we still make up a proportion of the people with the disease. And again the CDC is not the be all end all medical website and its certainly not the biggest authority on AIDS in the US. As someone who actually keeps up with the disease more often than most people in science and health magazines i'd say those numbers are a bit off, but that might just be because they are 4 years old. Also keep in mind that if only 2,000 people reported having AIDS in 2005 than that means only 1000 of them had gay sex which isn't alot of people in the overall, not the best number but not a good number.

Lastly, and i'll say again. Posting numbers and stats without knowing their meaning or how to use them is just as useless as a snoopy post. Your right, you have posted more numbers than me but you've repeatedly confused their meanings and connections with relation to the point you were trying to prove thus rendering them void. I can post a bunch of numbers too and i probably should but i don't feel like taking 2 seconds to google something then pic out the first piece of information i see regardless of the fact that its 4 years out of date and then try to pass it off like i know completely what im talking about now....

I lol because apparently you know more about AIDS than the CDC, according to you, but sure.

Know what a trend is? If past trends have shown that the number of homosexual males with AIDS is increasing, then, following that trend will continue to increase. How is 1000/2000 not a lot? That doesn't make sense.

You can try and discredit the CDC all you want. Until you have .gov behind your name, I'm pretty sure their opinions and numbers will be more widely accepted.

I've had their meanings right the whole time. Every number or statistic was relevant to the fact I threw out before it. Because you refuse to accept the meaning of the numbers does not make them wrong or irrelevant to the topic. Sorry.

Snoopy · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 6:18 am

Male to Male proves to have the greatest percentage. Don't know how credible this source is though.

http://www.avert.org/statindx.htm

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 6:30 am

You posted the percent of males with AIDS and somehow that correlates into Gay couples getting AIDS easier than straight couples. One is a statistic and one is a social issue. There is a relation but not the type which you imply. As i said if alls gay and straight people used condoms the spread of the disease drops to .01 at least when having sex.

Also i never said i knew more than the CDC. But i do the reputation of the CDC and i do know more than one credible source of medical information and i do know that your into is out of date.

....i hate having to connect the dots for ppl

.curve · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 6:44 am

XemnasXD wrote:

You posted the percent of males with AIDS and somehow that correlates into Gay couples getting AIDS easier than straight couples. One is a statistic and one is a social issue. There is a relation but not the type which you imply. As i said if alls gay and straight people used condoms the spread of the disease drops to .01 at least when having sex.

Also i never said i knew more than the CDC. But i do the reputation of the CDC and i do know more than one credible source of medical information and i do know that your into is out of date.

....i hate having to connect the dots for ppl

Be it a social issue or not, it's a damn statistic.

If more gay men have AIDS from homosexual relations than straight men, then there obviously is a correlation. You keep saying "if this happened" then blah blah blah. It did not happen. Now, because it did not happen, it is a statistic.

If Jimmy had worn his seat belt, he would have lived through that accident. Too bad he didn't and now he's a statistic.

Quote:

As someone who actually keeps up with the disease more often than most people in science and health magazines i'd say those numbers are a bit off

Implying that you believe the CDC's numbers were off. I don't know what gives you the authority to say that, but ok.

Like I said. Trends. if the rate has gone up over the years, it will continue to go up. Holy shit common sense prevails.

You said you were going to argue back with credible information. You're letting your feelings about the issue get in the way.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue May 05, 2009 7:23 am

If you gave me the number of black people who eat licorice that would not explain the why.

Quote:

Isn't AIDS/HIV spread more easily in homosexual relationships?

Now show me what statistic you posted proves that aids is spread more easily in homosexual sex. Your statistic show only that MSM make up a large portion of the men who have aids. That gives no explanation into WHY they make up a large portion which is more in line of the initial question.

Q. Isn't AIDS/HIV spread more easily in homosexual relationships?
A. 53% of all males with AIDS reported MSM in 2004.

That doesn't answer the question. That says nothing about how AIDS is spread during MSM. It says nothing about it being biologically easier to spread in MSM by comparison to hetero sex. If you want to answer your initial question then it would be.

A. No. Having homosexual sex does make the spread of AIDS easier or hard than heterosexual sex. Members of both sexual orientation are biologically at equal risk of catching the disease if a condom is not present.

No one worth listening too gets their news, especially statistics from a single source if possible. Like i said im not saying i know more about AIDS than the CDC so stop trying to throw words in my mouth. Im saying that the CDC is not the be all end all source of AIDS info in the US and your information is outdated.

I guess i could post some statistics of my own but i already said why i wasn't going to and that wasn't a joke. I see no reason to post statistics yet because the argument hasn't reached a point where numbers would prove anything. Your numbers haven't helped your argument at all...

nAissha · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 9 **Location:** Romania

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RuYi · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7145 **Location:** Done.

Give me a few minutes, please.

RuYi · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7145 **Location:** Done.

There now. What is it this time?

All the swearing and hatred, born from insecurity and fear.
Doesn't it feel good to get it all out?
It is unhealthy to keep those negative emotions bottled up inside.

However, the creator of the thread never asked for your opinion or theories about homosexuality.
People have different opinions, and if theirs happens to differ from yours, respect that.
And be glad you don't live in a time and age where someone else's opinion is forced upon you.

Several people have been banned, because of remarks that cross every border.
If you can't say anything nice, I highly recommend you to mind your tongue. Or I will mind it for you, in a way you will not enjoy it.

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