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I'm going to ignore the idiocy of the rest of this post so I can focus on this part. I like this part.
So because someone wasn't there to see a guy murder his family, he didn't do it? The forensic evidence is just evidence because no one was there to 100% confirm it? Your brain isn't there because you haven't seen it? That's the point you're trying to make.
You realize how dumb that sounds?
Damn me for feeding the troll.
I only elaborate the definition of evidence someone gave. Very idiot definition, isn't it? If you got a problem with that, then define "evidence" correctly.
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leehyori26 wrote:
+1 Towards Fiction
For the many people saying religion is idiotic or gives false hope. False hope is something everyone goes through idc who you are. Religion is a comfort for more people than it is something to follow. When someone in your family dies who you love, who brings science into the equation saying oh well their gonna be decomposed by worms and several microorganisms and since we're living in say africa their grave might be robbed. Errmm ya i doubt thatll happen. Most people say "they're in a better place" because one its comforting and two some people believe that.
Religion is something that gets people through the hard times, not saying its something to be relied on. It helps people through hardships and even when a person has nothing and has hit absolutly rock bottom, their religion is still there and can still comfort them and atleast give them a second of relief even if its false hope.
Well, I agree with some things(+1 Towards Fiction) such as there are people that use religion as something to fall back on in hard times, and I'm not saying its wrong. Most believe you should ask God for strength. On the same coin, there are also therapist that can help with coping with a loved ones death as they go through the 5 steps.
My personal belief is that when you die, you do exactly as you stated, decompose. You don't go to heaven or hell. Now when Jesus comes back then it will be decided. I still don't believe in the whole burning in hell for eternity, I think this is a misinterpretation. --Edit-- This part was not a response to leehyori26
-- I'm not really understanding this, "If you can't see it how do you know its there?" argument. Your brain is there, whether or not you see it or you use it, it's there. This argument really doesn't apply to God though. It would be more like lets say, a feeling, or an ideal. It's called the holy spirit, some say they feel it, like love, you can't see or touch it, you can't gather evidence to show it exist(Unless we're talking chemicals in the brain reacting) but you feel it.
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Well you're giving this forum undeniable evidence that you're uneducated. Evolution is studied over a long period of time, and changes in species are carried over from generation to generation via natural selection. The bad traits are left out while the good ones are passed on to the next. This does not necessarily mean that it happens in a short period of time.
It would take thousands/tens of thousands of years for there to be a drastic change from the characteristics of one animal to another. Going by how sedimentary rocks and fossils are found deep underground and measuring how old the earth's crust is scientists can determine how old those organisms are, this is only one of the many methods that the theory of evolution employs to better understand how today's animals are formed.
Simply saying put a mouse in a lab and wait for it to evolve is quite simply the most retarded statement I have ever heard, but then again my standards for religious people are set pretty low after participating in one these kind of threads.
You just said that evidence are what you can reproduce. Therefore, I use your logic, if you can't reproduce the evolution from ape to human, then gtfo, ok? Like you said, it has to be a "visible" thing. I didn't see any direct visible evolution here beside a study of gene. A painter may paint a paint A and a paint B. A and B may share the same similitude, because it's drawn by the same person and use the same style. You can't say that A evolve from B. But you can say that A and B are created by the same person/designer ie God Right because paintings are totally living biological organism, .
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so you can reproduce evolution..? put a mouse in a lab and wait for it too evolve?
You know that flu you get sick with every year, that is a mutation or evolution of the Flu virus, the H1N1 another mutation of the Flu virus, you don't even know how evolution or Natural Selection works, and until you do every post of your just makes your case worse.
Flu is one thing. You can't generalize one species to all species on the planet. I can say 90% of people in SRF bot, it doesn't mean that you are a bot. A theory or a statement doesn't valid even if got an example of flu virus that works, didn't you know that? As said, if you got a visible video/image of an ape evolve into human, then we'll continue to talk. Either proving evolution of 100% of the species or gtfo. I don't fucking care about 99% or flu virus.
Please do tell what is it I am generalizing? I am useing flu virus as an example of Evolution, and you being the uneducated person that you are think that a example about botting is the same thing? The Flu, The fossil record, the study of genes, if you wish to ignore all of that just cause you don't have a video/picture of a ape evoling into a human, then so be it, you choosing to be ignorant matters not to me.
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Want to know proof for god's sake. 2 Arms. 2 Legs. Skin. Normal bodily functions. Functioning brain (you should get that checked out). And don't throw that amputee bla bla bla, you know what I am getting at. He upholds the 7 functions of life, he's alive, and he goes through normal human functions, he's a human. -_- By dictionary definition at least, he's human. GTFO dude you are making your side look even dumber (if that was possible).
That's only the basic you can look outside. If I were to remove your bones, your organs inside, I wouldn't consider you a human. More like a monster. Beside you didn't see with your eyes your stomach. How do you know you have one, or you "heard" someone else say you have one? More retarded bs, right you keep on believeing that food just magically disappears after you eat it. kk
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This is where you address my argument. LOLOLOL SCIENTISTS LYING TO GET STUFF PUBLISHED. How bout the bible, that was kinda sorta a big lie? Last sentence, no idea where that came from. How bout the middle east, bombing abortion clinics, homophobia, etc.? Of course some wars come out of something other than religion, but you preach religion has nothing to do with it.
If you are to blame the origin of war, let me get this straight. Blame the one who invented knifes, guns, grenades, abortion technology. Without them, there won't be any war, right? Wow look at Mr. Sociologist here, I am completely speechless.
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As said, if you got a visible video/image of an ape evolve into human, then we'll continue to talk. Either proving evolution of 100% of the species or gtfo. I don't fucking care about 99% or flu virus.
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I only elaborate the definition of evidence someone gave. Very idiot definition, isn't it? If you got a problem with that, then define "evidence" correctly.
Whos post was that? I call BS.
NC, can I as you in this statement say, show me a video/image of God, then we'll continue to talk, Ether prove God or GTFO. I don't Fucking care about your Faith/Experience base BS evidence. KK
It doesn't take religion for someone to be against abortion... There are some people that just believe you shouldn't take the life of an unborn baby. As far as I know there have only been around 9 or so people killed in these bombings since people have been doing abortions in the US, so you're talking it up. Anyways, look at Ted Kaczynski, he wasn't religious or at least he didn't have a religion driving his agenda.
"homophobia" You act like it's religion that causes this... I'm sorry but that's just men being men. Most guys don't want a D*** in their A**. Our whole existence is based on heterosexuality, and I'm sorry if I don't like men acting like women or worse... Most men can't stand the way women act, but they'll put up with it cause they love them, why would they put up with that same behavior from another man?
How's the bible one big lie? You do know there is proof that Jesus Christ and others did exist. It's also funny you'd say that. I'd bet you'd be a Nostradamus(someone that did exist) fan. He had vague prophecies that you could say came "true"... Then there are the prophecies the bible speaks of which aren't vague at all and all of them so far have come true, and still some to come. Now if the bible was a big lie, it's a pretty damn good one.
The middle east is an easy one. Land. Throw in those basic human characteristics and there you have it.
"Of course some wars come out of something other than religion, but you preach religion has nothing to do with it." I don't even know what you're saying here.
I addressed both your argument with that last post.
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So MrJoey doesn't feel left out, tell us something we don't know =) Don't think I haven't forgot you on TheEMPIRE vent rant'n and rave'n =P
You don't understand my argument, clearly. People use religion as justification, which is wrong. And I love how you still leave out the main argument of how it slows the progression of society. You try to talk in a persuading manner, and yet you evade every single argument. Homophobia, I'm pretty sure at every redneck homophobic rally I've seen on the webernetz/TV/news had multiple signs that said God hates ****. Pretty sure christians have bombed hospitals using god's name. How bout the crusades way back when. Middle east- for allah? Come on dude, it may be for ulterior motives, but their justification is still there.
And proof the people existed, multiple inaccurate inconsistencies. Starting with creation
For those who can't read, and are too busy bible-toting Main argument: Religion used as JUSTIFICATION NOT CAUSE for bad things, look to middle east. Also, slows down progression of society. Religion used as a JUSTIFICATION for halting spending on incredibly helpful/innovative sciences.
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And when the idea of a god was created, the idea of evolution wasn't. Thereby god was asserted to create the world through intelligent design. Read up about it in that bible thing lol.
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John_Doe wrote:
Please do tell what is it I am generalizing? I am useing flu virus as an example of Evolution, and you being the uneducated person that you are think that a example about botting is the same thing? The Flu, The fossil record, the study of genes, if you wish to ignore all of that just cause you don't have a video/picture of a ape evoling into a human, then so be it, you choosing to be ignorant matters not to me.
The study of genes show that species genes show some similitude. No more. There is no direct link betweens evolution and genes similitude. As said, species could be originated from the same designer, like the example of an artist who draw 2 paints. I don't see why you can miss that point. You can say that the mother nature created them or whatever you want, but there is no link that link evolution and species.
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More retarded bs, right you keep on believeing that food just magically disappears after you eat it. kk
So you still deny the fact that you only "heard" other people talk about stomach without actually witness it? Tell me how many things in the world you believe in but didn't directly witness it?
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NC, can I as you in this statement say, show me a video/image of God, then we'll continue to talk, Ether prove God or GTFO. I don't Farking care about your Faith/Experience base BS evidence. KK
I don't have any evidence but I don't go around and tell other people bs or claim I'm right they are wrong about something.
If you claim that evolution exist then bring an effective proof. Euh, genes study is not proof. Similitude =/= evolution.
show me a video/image of God, then we'll continue to talk, Ether prove God or GTFO. I don't Farking care about your Faith/Experience base BS evidence. KK
The study of genes show that species genes show some similitude. No more. There is no direct link betweens evolution and genes similitude. As said, species could be originated from the same designer, like the example of an artist who draw 2 paints. I don't see why you can miss that point. You can say that the mother nature created them or whatever you want, but there is no link that link evolution and species.
So you still deny the fact that you only "heard" other people talk about stomach without actually witness it? Tell me how many things in the world you believe in but didn't directly witness it?
I don't have any evidence.
If you claim that evolution exist then bring an effective proof. Euh, genes study is not proof. Similitude =/= evolution.
Ok lets go through each point. Point 1. Did you go to school? My giraffe example. Giraffes started as these little buggers, and we know that THROUGH FOSSILS AND DATING in order to get a timeframe. Soon, they died out because they couldn't get enough food, but some little bugger was a little bit taller, and he could get the highest fruit, and he reproduced. The offspring was also as tall, and eventually they all became that way over tons of years. WE KNOW THIS FROM FOSSILS + DATING. 2. Direct witness to something isn't necessary, but EVIDENCE is. You have no evidence, and you make the assertion a deity exists. We have evidence that disproves creationism etc. Whether or not it does 100%, it uses the scientific method that is normally used to solve problems/answer questions. I know I have a stomach because my food digests. Troll more please.
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show me a video/image of God, then we'll continue to talk, Ether prove God or GTFO. I don't Farking care about your Faith/Experience base BS evidence. KK
you ignorant troll.
Or make a statement and proof that God does not exist? You guys can argue about whether God exists or not until Judgement Day (If you believe there will be one), but neither of you have any solid proof that clears things up.
I don't like where this thread is going, and I'm inches away from locking it.
I see two groups posting theory after theory, scientific facts, but in the end neither of you - whether you believe in (a) God or are an atheist - are anything more than a group of quarrellers.
Read the first post of this topic again. Where does it instruct you to force your opinion onto another?
Get back ontopic, realise that there are others whom do not share your opinion/beliefs, and respect that. If not, the thread will be locked down, and I might not allowing another in the future.
Ok, enough with the religion crap, this was meant to be a god/evolution thread, not a bash religion thread. The stupidity in here has grown to unfathomably levels.
NS, you make very uninformed posts about evolution that show you have not studied nor understand evolution. That is not an attack, simply an honest observation. I'm not going to waste my time teaching you or feeding the troll, but I will leave you with this bit of information regarding evolution, a simple fact I'd like you to debunk. It is also on topic since it deals with evidence for evolution.
Going to keep this simple:
ENDOGENOUS RETROVIRUSES
ERVs. Endogenous retroviruses. Virus' that insert their genetic material into the germ cells of their host. These retro viruses are passed on and become part of the genome. There are 3 BILLION base pairs in the human genome. In the chimp genome and human genome there are many places where the same retrovirus is inserted in the exact same positions. OUT OF 3 BILLION possible locations there are specific ERV matches in 16 places. The chances of this happening by random chance is so close to zero I would stretch the screen if I typed it out. However, if you apply the concept of common decent, everything falls into place perfectly without ridiculous probabilities.
Youtube video to clear up what I'm talking about and put the probabilities into perspective, please watch it, especially those against evolution.
You guys posted 3 or 4 times while I was searching for a decent video to explain ERVs, lols. I agree, please get back on topic and stop attacking each other.
Or make a statement and proof that God does not exist?
I love that how we must prove the nonexistent of something that doesn't exist to the ones who suggested the irrational claim in the first place. Absolutely fantastic.
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Ok lets go through each point. Point 1. Did you go to school? My giraffe example. Giraffes started as these little buggers, and we know that THROUGH FOSSILS AND DATING in order to get a timeframe. Soon, they died out because they couldn't get enough food, but some little bugger was a little bit taller, and he could get the highest fruit, and he reproduced. The offspring was also as tall, and eventually they all became that way over tons of years. WE KNOW THIS FROM FOSSILS + DATING. 2. Direct witness to something isn't necessary, but EVIDENCE is. You have no evidence, and you make the assertion a deity exists. We have evidence that disproves creationism etc. Whether or not it does 100%, it uses the scientific method that is normally used to solve problems/answer questions. I know I have a stomach because my food digests. Troll more please.
Disappointed. Gene is only a small factor. If a giraffe a tall, his offspring doesn't necessary be tall. The environment affects the growth. Fact is if your parents are small, they can have a tall, fat big boy when giving the best condition of growing. Once again, species may share similitude, it doesn't necessary mean they evolve from each other.
You keep asking about evidence. What type of evidence do you want? A photo, a video, a sound file or a story?
Ok lets go through each point. Point 1. Did you go to school? My giraffe example. Giraffes started as these little buggers, and we know that THROUGH FOSSILS AND DATING in order to get a timeframe. Soon, they died out because they couldn't get enough food, but some little bugger was a little bit taller, and he could get the highest fruit, and he reproduced. The offspring was also as tall, and eventually they all became that way over tons of years. WE KNOW THIS FROM FOSSILS + DATING. 2. Direct witness to something isn't necessary, but EVIDENCE is. You have no evidence, and you make the assertion a deity exists. We have evidence that disproves creationism etc. Whether or not it does 100%, it uses the scientific method that is normally used to solve problems/answer questions. I know I have a stomach because my food digests. Troll more please.
Disappointed. Gene is only a small factor. If a giraffe a tall, his offspring doesn't necessary be tall. The environment affects the growth. Fact is if your parents are small, they can have a tall, fat big boy when giving the best condition of growing. Once again, species may share similitude, it doesn't necessary mean they evolve from each other.
You keep asking about evidence. What type of evidence do you want? A photo, a video, a sound file or a story?
Uh yeah if a giraffe is tall due to a gene that effects reproductive organs, chances are they will give birth. Of course not always, but the PROBABILITY increases. Seems like you have no knowledge of genes/biology either? No offense, but you are coming off like you are uneducated in this field. Evidence: Logic? Something following up with a rational method of problem solving/experimenting?
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McLovin1t wrote:
Evidence: Logic? Something following up with a rational method of problem solving/experimenting?
You can't prove god with normal method unless you die. And I don't think any scientist is willing to die just to prove the existence of a higher being.
Oh and btw, in ancient time, people believed that the earth was flat because they believed to have such and such so called evidence. But in the end, it's proven wrong. There you go, an example of logic + evidence =/= truth
Evidence: Logic? Something following up with a rational method of problem solving/experimenting?
You can't prove god with normal method unless you die. And I don't think any scientist is willing to die just to prove the existence of a higher being.
Oh and btw, in ancient time, people believed that the earth was flat because they believed to have such and such so called evidence. But in the end, it's proven wrong. There you go, an example of logic + evidence =/= truth
What? Rational logic with modern technology -_-. Also in that time they believed in god . You can't prove god, but you can logically and theoretically disprove omnipotence, creation (opposed to evolution), and religion.
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McLovin1t... Just because someone believes in God, doesn't mean they don't believe in evolution. Please point me to a few examples where religions has slowed society. I really don't think you understand the politics behind the whole science scene today. You can talk about religion being at fault and such, but its more the human factor than anything. I still don't get why you sit there and try to blame all the things bad on religion... Like I said earlier, get out of the echo chamber. You've got this idea in your head that anyone that has any faith what so ever is a complete moron and cannot contribute to, what you consider, progression of society.
On another note... WTF have you contributed to society?
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