Do you guys believe in god?

Blindfire · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 3844 **Location:** ...

Is there a higher being? Possibly, our minds couldn't comprehend the complexity of said being. Honestly us thinking about a higher being is like a penguin contemplating nuclear physics, it makes no sense.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

CrimsonNuker wrote:

I asked F1 "wtf was your mom doing up so late" and he said "She was praying" and i thought "LOOOOOOOOOOOOLlllllll CRAZY"

lul wut

Blindfire wrote:

Honestly us thinking about a higher being is like a penguin contemplating nuclear physics, it makes no sense.

i beg to differ *points to happy feet*

locko · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 46 **Location:** Romania

CloudStrider · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 2125 **Location:** Away

I do.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

XuChu wrote:

How do you know what God will do? Judgement day is yet to come, the final decision is in him.

Agreed.

XuChu wrote:

The Muslims would say all 3 are the same, however, the bible's one is less accurate and distorted. While the Christians would say Muslim not does not equal Christian god, because Christian god = the Holy Trinity (Father, Son , Holy spirit)...

Not all Christians are Trinitarians, for instance, Jesus wasn't.

Xyzzzy wrote:

XuChu, if you believe its so personal, please keep your religious speeches to only this thread. I'm sick of seeing it absolutely everywhere.

XuChu wrote:

Faith and ways of worship should be personal, but the word of God should be in every corner of the universe.

@crazyskwrls, this is because the foundations of religion, or at least Abrahamic religions are based on Faith or Submission, and unfortunately not evidence. For if it was based on evidence, man's faith in God would not be faith in god, but rather faith in truth.

XuChu, sadly the state of today's Christian church (so called) is that of a disobedient child.

Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) admonished us:

Paul to the Ephesians wrote:

Therefore I, the prisoner united with the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called.

Always be humble, gentle and patient, bearing with one another in love, and making every effort to preserve the unity the Spirit gives through the binding power of shalom (peace). There is one body and one Spirit, just as when you were called you were called to one hope. And there is one Lord, one trust, one immersion, and one God, the Father of all, who rules over all, works through all and is in all...

... Furthermore, he gave some people as emissaries (apostles), some as prophets, some as proclaimers of the Good News, and some as shepherds and teachers. Their task is to equip God's people for the work of service that builds the body of the Messiah, until we all arrive at the unity implied by trusting and knowing the Son of God, at full manhood, at the standard of maturity set by the Messiah's perfection. We will then no longer be infants tossed about by the waves and blown along by every wind of teaching, at the mercy of people clever in devising ways to deceive. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in every respect grow up into him who is the head, the Messiah. Under his control, the whole body is being fitted and held together by the support of every joint, with each part working to fulfill its function; this is how the body grows and builds itself up in love.

Therefore I say this - indeed, in union with the Lord I insist on it: do not live any longer as the pagans live, with their sterile ways of thinking. Their intelligence has been shrouded in darkness, and they are estranged from the life of God, because of the ignorance in them, which in turn comes from resisting God's will. They have lost all feeling, so they have abandoned themselves to sensuality, practicing any kind of impurity and always greedy for more. But this is not the lesson you learned from the Messiah! If you really listened to him and were instructed about him, then you learned that since what is in Yeshua (Jesus) is truth, then, so far as your former way of life is concerned, you must strip off your old nature, because your old nature is thoroughly rotted by its deceptive desires; and you must let your spirits and minds keep being renewed, and clothe yourselves with the new nature created to be godly, which expresses itself in the righteousness and holiness that flow from the truth. Therefore, stripping off falsehood, let everyone speak truth with his neighbor, because we are intimately related to each other as parts of a body.

XuChu, You have pointed out that Faith and Submission is needed.
I agree. I also trust your God to instruct all of His children regarding His nature. Did not Abraham have 8 children (six more by his wife Keturah)? Unity of our faith might not happen today (or even in our lifetimes) but I have hope that it will happen. Yeshua (Jesus) said, "I have another flock." If it is as I believe, and he actually performed the will of our Father, the full effect is yet to be seen.

~Granps

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

I was at a church camp once and the mentors put on a skit about god healing a cripple so that he could walk again. What about all the cripples in the world right now? where is god? God doesn't make sense for those people who have to suffer everyday.

Awataurus · **Posted:** Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:38 pm

yes i beleave in god Im going to church every sunday :twisted:

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Jstar1 wrote:

I was at a church camp once and the mentors put on a skit about god healing a cripple so that he could walk again. What about all the cripples in the world right now? where is god? God doesn't make sense for those people who have to suffer everyday.

Jstar1, you seem to have looked at Sickness and Suffering and have difficulty understanding how this can exist in a world that was created by God if indeed God is "good". You're not alone.

Consider though, if you will, the greater evil: Why does death exist?

Question:

Quote:

I am living the wrong life. I should have done sciences in college, not humanities. I should have gone for a law degree, as my parents wished and not a major in mass media. I was supposed to marry Jessica, not Ellen and we were supposed to live in Atlanta, not Atlantic City. From there on, it only gets worse... What do I do now?

Answer:

You may not want to hear this: All your fears are justified. You are not paranoid. You are probably right on every point. How do I know? Because this entire world is operating on Plan B. Of course, there is The Plan. Plan A. The way things are supposed to go. But in the history of the world, there hasn't been a single thing that went the way it was supposed to go. Adam wasn't supposed to eat from that tree. Cain and Abel were supposed to talk things out. Everyone was supposed to get along.

Stress · **Posted:** Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:48 pm

Grandpa wrote:

Jstar1 wrote:

I was at a church camp once and the mentors put on a skit about god healing a cripple so that he could walk again. What about all the cripples in the world right now? where is god? God doesn't make sense for those people who have to suffer everyday.

Jstar1, you seem to have looked at Sickness and Suffering and have difficulty understanding how this can exist in a world that was created by God if indeed God is "good". You're not alone.

Consider though, if you will, the greater evil: Why does death exist?

Death is merely a transition. Furthermore, death is not evil.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Stress wrote:

Death is merely a transition. Furthermore, death is not evil.

Sometimes I edit my posts right after posting them.

[EDIT]:

Dictionary.com wrote:

e·vil
ˈivəl/ Pronunciation Key - [ee-vuhl]
–adjective

morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
harmful; injurious: evil laws.
characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.

Yes, I used an anthropomorphism.

I also edited my response to Jstar1 during the two minutes that it took for me to see your post, that is, prior to having seen your post. My point was that pain and suffering are indeed something that can be eased. Death is beyond the medicinal powers of man hence death is more harmful and more injurious than mere sickness or suffering. Another way of saying the same thing (if you don't already know) is "Death is the greater evil". The point is the point: things are not going as planned.

~Granps

Awataurus · **Posted:** Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:33 pm

GOD IS A DJ

SNIPE WILL GONE SMACK UP YOU BICHES

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:00 pm

Suffer, injure, sickness are just terms inveted by human and has a bad connotation. Hence, what is bad for human does not necessary means it's bad for God.

As said, the existence has created that everything has to have its opposite. Sickness has to go with his friend Healthy. If there is no sickness, no one knows what healthy is, all humans would be the same.

Another rule is the balance, if u got sick, another person will be free from sickness. No sickness, immunity system wont develop, therefore will disappear along the time. After that, if an insect or smt small get into your body, it will stay there forever

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX19MrhlE0c

JackB4u3r · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1115 **Location:** Sarajevo

The point of believing is every mans need to confront himself with something bigger, more powerful than he can imagine what will in the end determine how good this life was. And if there is no God, what is the point of living?

Get drunk regularly, try everything what you want to, live a nice life, have a family and that's it?

Everyone has a need for a higher calling, something that makes him special or a hope for a reward in the after-life, because if you die and that's the end, I ask you again what is the point of living? (To make the human race survive long enough to witness a meteor crash? To me personally that's pointless.)

Also, for the note, I'm a Muslim.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

Suffer, injure, sickness are just terms inveted by human and has a bad connotation. Hence, what is bad for human does not necessary means it's bad for God.

As said, the existence has created that everything has to have its opposite. Sickness has to go with his friend Healthy. If there is no sickness, no one knows what healthy is, all humans would be the same.

Another rule is the balance, if u got sick, another person will be free from sickness. No sickness, immunity system wont develop, therefore will disappear along the time. After that, if an insect or smt small get into your body, it will stay there forever

NuclearSilo I encounter difficulty when I try to understand even the basics of your premise here. You have stated, "If there is God, it means that God exists. If God exists, it's because the existence gave him birth. Existence is the MOTHER of God."

When you go further in an attempt to explain how balance in a godless existence is needed you have effectively side-stepped a major issue. The crux of any belief system is how something comes from nothing. It is an age-old argument. Science cannot observe past the event horizon of a black hole, it can not see prior to what is called the Big Bang. Stating that we are only what can be seen or observed is fine, I suppose. Given that, we would still be presented with the objectionable position of worshiping the creation and not the Creator.

My point is that science has proven that existence itself is limited. As big as big is, our universe isn't infinite. As small as small is, there is a point where a line can not physically be halved and still represent reality. Matter does not exist in space smaller than 1 X 10 to the minus 48th power. It it were not this way movement would be impossible due to a Dichotomy Paradox: Before a moving object can travel a certain distance, it must travel half that distance. Before it can travel half the distance it must travel 1/4 the distance, etc. This sequence goes on forever. Therefore, given that existence is infinite, it seems that the original distance cannot be traveled, and motion is impossible.

Energy itself is limited. The lowest energy wave frequency possible would be determined by the longest possible wavelength. This would be the diameter of the universe.

If Space and Energy (and matter itself, for that matter) are limited, our existence is limited. This is not difficult to understand. My explanation might be difficult to understand but knowing that I am not God isn't.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

XuChu wrote:

Reise wrote:

Spanish inquisition, Crusades

Yes, indeed the Roman Catholic church and its followers have committed great atrocities. However the deeds Catholic church cannot represent God and religion, in fact it can't even represent Christendom at this time in age.
Interesting bits of history though.

Lol I don't see how that could be possible.

witchcraft · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 94 **Location:** ..

I don't believe there's a god.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Reise wrote:

XuChu wrote:

Reise wrote:

Spanish inquisition, Crusades

Yes, indeed the Roman Catholic church and its followers have committed great atrocities. However the deeds Catholic church cannot represent God and religion, in fact it can't even represent Christendom at this time in age.
Interesting bits of history though.

Lol I don't see how that could be possible.

Greetings Reise,
Pardon me, there are threads within threads, thoughts within thoughts here and I'm trying to understand.

Reise, are you saying that you do not understand how it could be possible for children to not represent their father's wishes? Are you affirming the belief that the catholic pope is infallible? In your estimation do the popes speak from the throne of God?

~Granps

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Grandpa wrote:

Greetings Reise,
Pardon me, there are threads within threads, thoughts within thoughts here and I'm trying to understand.

Reise, are you saying that you do not understand how it could be possible for children to not represent their father's wishes? Are you affirming the belief that the catholic pope is infallible? In your estimation do the popes speak from the throne of God?

~Granps

Yeah, isn't that what the Pope does?

I was under the impression that the Pope was supposed to be the closest thing you could get to the word of God on Earth, so having him call for all Christians to redeem themselves by dying in war sounds a bit backwards as far as Christian morals are concerned.

Stress · **Posted:** Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:47 pm

My opinion, with no offense to the catholics, but the Popes do NOT speak from the throne of god. On their crown, it is written: "Vicarivs Filii Dei". This means they are the substitutes of Jesus Christ on earth. But we know, there is only one Jesus Christ and there can be no substitutes. The pope, as a human, is just as much of a sinner as any one of us. What makes him, out of all, worthy of being the substitute of Jesus Christ on Earth? His deeds? We all know that, although faith without deeds is dead, deeds alone do not justify and redeem us.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:18 pm

Grandpa wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Suffer, injure, sickness are just terms inveted by human and has a bad connotation. Hence, what is bad for human does not necessary means it's bad for God.

As said, the existence has created that everything has to have its opposite. Sickness has to go with his friend Healthy. If there is no sickness, no one knows what healthy is, all humans would be the same.

Another rule is the balance, if u got sick, another person will be free from sickness. No sickness, immunity system wont develop, therefore will disappear along the time. After that, if an insect or smt small get into your body, it will stay there forever

NuclearSilo I encounter difficulty when I try to understand even the basics of your premise here. You have stated, "If there is God, it means that God exists. If God exists, it's because the existence gave him birth. Existence is the MOTHER of God."

When you go further in an attempt to explain how balance in a godless existence is needed you have effectively side-stepped a major issue. The crux of any belief system is how something comes from nothing. It is an age-old argument. Science cannot observe past the event horizon of a black hole, it can not see prior to what is called the Big Bang. Stating that we are only what can be seen or observed is fine, I suppose. Given that, we would still be presented with the objectionable position of worshiping the creation and not the Creator.

My point is that science has proven that existence itself is limited. As big as big is, our universe isn't infinite. As small as small is, there is a point where a line can not physically be halved and still represent reality. Matter does not exist in space smaller than 1 X 10 to the minus 48th power. It it were not this way movement would be impossible due to a Dichotomy Paradox: Before a moving object can travel a certain distance, it must travel half that distance. Before it can travel half the distance it must travel 1/4 the distance, etc. This sequence goes on forever. Therefore, given that existence is infinite, it seems that the original distance cannot be traveled, and motion is impossible.

Energy itself is limited. The lowest energy wave frequency possible would be determined by the longest possible wavelength. This would be the diameter of the universe.

If Space and Energy (and matter itself, for that matter) are limited, our existence is limited. This is not difficult to understand. My explanation might be difficult to understand but knowing that I am not God isn't.

U know what? Proving the existence of God is like searching a grain in a ocean. Especially DONT use science to prove it. Science is just a study of visible matter, it's not everything. While the universe is from 90% of dark matter. Normally, to prove smt exist, human uses its perception: ears, eyes, nose, touches, taste. That's the 5 main ways. But... if human didnt use these 5 parts of the body, why scientist made a conclusion that 90% of universe is from dark energy? Because they used deductions, unlogic movement of the stars. So if we encounter smt unlogic, or any proof about the existence of God, like the prophecies, it's reasonnable to beleive in the existence of a high-being.

"How could something comes from nothing?" - "No, it's not possible"
Again, we are still using science to prove things. But there's a study that can resolve everything, but again, it's just a blindly beleif from me. We call that MAGIC

If there is magic, then everything is resolve, smt that popped out from an empty space is totally possible. If a God is able to create the universe, he have magic.

Who create God? He creates himself by going to the past then create smt from nothing. That's the real power of a magic world, change the past!

Draquish · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 6423 **Location:** ____

NuclearSilo wrote:

U know what? Proving the existence of God is like searching a grain in a ocean. Especially DONT use science to prove it. Science is just a study of visible matter, ... ect.

I stopped reading...on my way down I skimmed something about magic. I lol'd.

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

my dad wants me to attend church but in the first place I can't accept the bible. In it theres so many stories of god killing people and god killing adulterers, killing gays, killing people who worship a foreign god, etc. Yet in the 10 commandments, God tells you not to kill people. There is too much hypocrisy in the bible.

JackB4u3r · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1115 **Location:** Sarajevo

Just one more thing and I'm finished with this thread.

Take a look at the movie "Dogma".

It will tell you a lot.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Jstar1 wrote:

my dad wants me to attend church but in the first place I can't accept the bible. In it theres so many stories of god killing people and god killing adulterers, killing gays, killing people who worship a foreign god, etc. Yet in the 10 commandments, God tells you not to kill people. There is too much hypocrisy in the bible.

Oh, Hi Jstar1. Thanks for your reply.

It would have to be a very special church if they could listen to what you have to say. Sadly, I've not found many that listen well. Sounds like you are concerned with justice. That's not a bad thing. I don't agree with your view but I won't argue with you.

~Granps

@NuclearSilo, you missed my point. I wasn't using facts supported by science to prove that God exists or does not exist. My argument is that contrary to your assertions, existence did not, nor could it, create God. I can not accept the possibility of the infinite being created by the finite. Man did not create god. By extension, and since existence itself is finite, the conclusion that "Existence is the MOTHER of God" can no longer be supported.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

my words have too much hate to be posted here but ill say no i am smarter than that

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Seven pages in three days? I want to read the whole thing but I'm afraid they're all just recycled arguments from both sides.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Greetings, Prophet Izaach.

I've written a couple things that I've not personally said before - a couple Muslim believers have posted, Cpinney asked, "Who created God?" after having slandered the Christian right wing, NuclearSilo posited that Existence created god... some blasphemy thrown in randomly in the occasional post, some indifference also... but you're right. Nothing new here.

I did find dom's admission that he was wrong (somewhere in the middle of this thread) interesting. But not to mislead you - he wasn't changing his view, only modifying his stereotypical view of religious idiocy somewhat. I tend to agree with his view about idiocy though so maybe it all balances out.

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

CrimsonNuker wrote:

@ CloudStrider

When the hell did i say anything about evolution?

ATHEISTS ARE AN ANTI-PROPHET ORGANIZATION

lululul

Skimmed through it and I saw this. lulz!

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Who Created God?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQTALEIMRKY

There is your answer, watch the full video then judge.

Here is another interesting videos to kick off some knowledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX19MrhlE0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de7kisfQ1vY

If you are interested on why God exists watch All his video then decide if your an atheist. This dude is HIGHLY intelligent, he WAS an atheist. Also, he has a Jewish background. SO this dude knows what he is TALKING ABOUT unlike most of you non intelligent cows.

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