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Likewise; enjoy your wasted vote.

I don't like how you think you have any right to label ether candidate evil or a wasted vote. If you believe it so strongly why not make it public or is this the only place you can act all knowing about your lesser evils, or perfect candiadate. For me Macain/Palin. None of us will ever amount to even running for president, I know I can't (because I wasn't born in the US) and I'm pretty bribeable, so it seems retard to be talking all high and mightly judgeing the candidate as a lesser evil. Bunch of bullshit. So Barotix, your free to your views, but plz stfu, with all this lesser evil, wasted vote or that type of shit. If you believe you know better, that which party is better for presidencey, what is better for the people then why not speak up, instead of sulking in this forums constantly attacking peoples choice of president. The fact that everything you have argued can be doubt means it can not be the truth. So if you have evidence beyond doubt that ether president cannot do anything to help the US, socially, economically, politically I would like to see them. If not stfu with your smart mouth.

Unless its Ron Paul, hes gonna keep criticizing the presidential candidates.

When people don't listen to Dictators the economy propers and the people are happy. Ancient Civilizations are a far-cry from the modern Nation-State. Ancient leaders had to proclaim divine right to prevent the people from ousting them. Economic prosperity comes because individuals associate with one another while acting in their best interest. It does not come from subsidies, corporatism, and socialism.

Wait, one second. Did you just compare the President to a King? There goes the constitution, freedom, the rule of law, and individual liberty. Why don't we just drop the charade and have our politicians openly endorse Nazism.

1]All politics is local. You see, I don't subscribe to the lesser evil bullshit. When I challenge the presidential candidates people seem to get upset. Then they bring up, "lesser of two evils." People bring it up and I respond. One can't help but respond to the flawed logic behind the lesser of two evils mentality. If one admits that both of the mainstream candidates are evil then why put evil into power? It's like having a choice between a Evil Dragon and an Evil Giant and several benign fairies. The fairies are small and will only be noticed if you search for them. The Evil Giant and Evil Dragon are obviously terrible choices yet because they are so noticeable people choose to bring evil in. Then of course you have the minions of the Dragons and Giants that set up these massive legislative blockades to prevent the fairies from being heard.

2]So, is that it? You think the presidential candidates are somehow better than you and I, and that they should be free of scrutiny? So long as they choose to lie and weasel their way to leadership I and many others like me will remain ever vigilant.

3]Xemnas accused me of wasting my vote first and brought up his lesser of two evils choice. I merely pointed out the absurdity behind the wasted vote mantra and lesser of two evils. A vote for evil is not a vote for change. If one believes they are voting in evil then what else should I post? Should I sit aside as my fellow citizens choose to bring in a candidate that promises change without substance? Pointing out the hypocrisy and absurdity of the political establishment is something every citizen should do. Instead of idly sitting, playing with their thumbs, pretending that the proposed candidates are good choices. Anyone that knowingly votes in the so called lesser of two evils is not thinking straight.

4]The federal government has no reason to be in the social or economic arena. The constitution grants them no powers over social or economic issues. The constitution does not give them the ability to run our lives or pockets. What you're implying is totalitarian. A state that decides what is morally right and wrong for everyone based on political agenda? Nazi Germany. A state that pretends that it is free yet owns everyone's land, taxes people's labors, wishes to regulate the economy beyond belief, wants to strip everyone of their personal liberty, constantly invades others privacy, creates corporations, and practices corporate welfare? Fascist Italy. A state that practices legal plunder to the point that it drives it's economy to the breaking point and forces it's people into starvation? Communist Russia. How in the hell is that constitutional? You want evidence look at Nazi Germany, look at the USSR, look at fascism. You want evidence? Open your eyes and read the essays of the economist whom our current leaders wish to emulate. Every time the federal (not state) Government gets involved with social or economic issues things get worse. Look at Welfare and Medicine. Look at agriculture. Look at the military industrial complex! You want proof that neither candidate is change? Look at their votes. Tools of corporate special interest groups. Would you prefer the central planning of some totalitarian state?

When did I say we should let them weasel thier way to leadership or shouldn't be critcize? I said if you have just a disagreement with what they are doing then do something about besides repeatly bashing and attacking them from an OTL in a forum from the web.

I never said that you said we should let them or w/e. I clearly stated I and others like me won't let them. That part of the statement had nothing to do with you. I am doing something, I'm not voting for them, I'm not supporting them, I'm handing out CFL fliers in my community, I'm informing people (classmates, friends, bloggers, strangers, etc. [O.o]), I'm getting involved in political discussions with anyone that supports Obama or McCain, I'm keeping informed, and I'm educating myself. Bashing and attacking them? I attack the lesser of two evils mentality and wasted vote mentality. If that somehow attacks McCain and Obama then, boo-hoo? Cry me a river? Listen, John (can I call you John? I'm calling you John), I'm not against McCain or Obama; I'm against what they represent. Freedom of expression, and let me tell you; I got a lot to express. You don't discuss with Obama supporters? You have to openly attack their policies and point out the hypocrisy. That is the only effect we can have. Change does not come from Government bureaucrats; All politics is local.

people ether have to agree with you or there ignorant or stupid.

Heres my 2 points, unless you are running for president or are gonna do something about it ether good nor bad shut up about what is best for the socity

the views and values we hold today are different to what Germany Nazi back then, we are two totally different nations found on different principles.

stop with the constant pushing of your views onto other people and thier choose of president.

When people don't listen to Dictators the economy propers and the people are happy.

Verfo said he supports McCain on the basis of partisan lines, no comment.
Several people say Obama, no comment.
Love attacks Verfo and calls him ignorant, comment.
You support McCain several times, no comment.
Tasdik supports McCain on partisan lines apparently, no comment.
People support, Green and Independent, no comment.


You sure you're not confusing me with love? i can find the past descussion if you want


Where am I proposing what is best for society? If needed I can find the many times you bashed ether parties views and suggested your own So letting people make decision for themselves without worrying about what bureaucrats do in Washington is deciding what is best for society? What is this bullshit. Where in the constitution does it giver congress or the president the authority to decide what is good for the people? We are a representive democracy, thus we give our rights to make choose to our representive in return we get our needed security, congress is our reprenstive in the Government, the president is our representitive to the world. If ether representitatives goes bad who could had knew. Since were bring up the constitution, where in it does it said Government can't decide whats good for the people or as i like to call it State Individuals decide what is good for Individuals until it interfers with eachothers liberities then government has to step in or it would just be might=right. Every area is different, one man cannot begin to comprehend the many different interactions that occur between people on a daily basis then make a judgment call that benefits them all. As the great thinker Voltaire said "humans were rarely good enough to govern themselves and need a strong monarch." That was back then so they didn't have democracy, but if they did that monarch would be replaced with democracy being the great thinker that he was. Our only power as citizens of the USA is persuasion. Voting for some guy in some distant land won't fix things. People have to take their two hands and take care of themselves. Here your starting to sound like Jean-Jacques Rousseau


The principles that the founders gave us are no longer respected or followed. What we have is Corporatism. Instead of federalism we're heading for totalitarianism; regardless of what the principles are you have to look at reality. Reality tells a very different story. Reality can be doubt, until it is beyond doubt you cannot judge what is true.


Where have I told people who to vote for? I have questioned why they vote for so-and-so. If someone said they support Obama/McCain because they agree with a strategy of preemptive war, totalitarian domestic policies, and false free trade legislation then I will back off. Now, if they say they're voting because of lesser of two evils then attack someone that is doing the same thing I will question the legitimacy of their attack and their candidate. That ain't pushing views. Everything I described in regards to Italy, Germany, and Russia apply to America today.

If needed I can find the many times you bashed ether parties views and suggested your own

“But if the government undertakes to control and to raise wages, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to care for all who may be in want, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to support all unemployed workers, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to lend interest-free money to all borrowers, and cannot do it; if .... ‘The state considers that its purpose is to enlighten, to develop, to enlarge, to strengthen, to spiritualize, and to sanctify the soul of the people’ -- and if the government cannot do all of these things, what then? Is it not certain that after every government failure -- which, alas! is more than probable -- there will be an equally inevitable revolution?”

-Frederic Bastiat, “The Law,” June, 1850

Reality can be doubt, until it is beyond doubt you cannot judge what is true.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. All because of his middle name you think he is a bad guy? Thats stereotyping and kinda racist.
2. What about ten dollars a gallon for gasoline. Barack Obama does not want to drill for more oil. Obama is against it. Obama is against building more nuclear reactors. Nuclear power is important because it is much more environmentally sound compared to coal. If other countries can do it and store their waste safely, then we can do it. And we can do it better than them all combined! The French are recycling their nuke waste to the point it's safe. The solution? We need to drill here and drill now and pay less!
Offshore drilling wont effect the price for gas for 20 or so years. So you basically only like what Mccain is telling you.

3. How about a President who gives the green light to the same-sex couples? Obama supports national civil unions giving same-sex couples the same safeguards and rights of marriage. Obama should know (if he is a Christian) that God ordained marriage and God also regulates marriage. Is Obama now trying to take God's role in regulating marriage? Who Is This Guy? What in the world is he teaching his children? What's Next? Pet Owners and their Pets seeking their rights to national civil unions, giving Pet Owners and their Pets the same safeguards and rights of marriage.
Religion is 100% fake. It's not real. It's just the same made up story about some guy in a different interpentation. Why does church's make people go around and try to spread "God" to none believers...yea to get more donation$. Religion is money, not about god.

"You wanta make real money, you gotta start a religion!" -Theodore Sturgeon.

If two gay or lesbian humans are in love, then they should get marriage if they want to. If they do not affect my life, then I'm fine with it. Why should religion or government try to stop people's freedom of love?

If they do not affect my life, then I'm fine with it.

Shouldn't this apply to everything?

Gay or lesbian people do not affect my everyday living neither does starvation in Africa, but it doesn't mean starvation is good. They do not choose to live there, they kinda forced too with no way out. Gay and lesbian people could be forced by their genes or choose to be gay. That is not hurting anybody except people who believe in religion.

McCain/Palin gets my vote, but probably Obama/Biden will win as you can see the votes.

Why McCain?

McCain will do what it takes to win. Anything. He is the man we need. He will lead us to 'victory'. 'Victory' does not even cross Obama's lips. McCain is not running to be someone, he doesn't care. He just wants to do something about USA, make it better. He will only war if our country has enough resources. Sure, he's old, but does that really matter. Does it change anything he wants to do? Maybe it changes the fact that he can't do things a teenager does, but presidents don't do that. People say he will die while his term as president, but he won't. His health is 'excellent'. If you aren't voting for McCain because he's old. You shouldn't even have the privilege to vote. You shouldn't judge anyone by how they look like or there age.

you know nothing about the war or what families with people on war go through so limit that mouth of yours and saying some1 who has suffered from 5 different types of cancer and showed his medical records for a period of 2-3 hours?( dont remember ) to a selected group of people doesnt have believable health concerns is beyond common sense, i wont even go into actual medical facts google and see what real doctors think about it ....