HIV Vaccine Ready for Human Testing

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Damn. People actually want HIV and AIDS to remain rampant? What the fuck happened to the Hippocratic oath? Just because it IS, that doesn't mean it SHOULD. We shouldn't base our morals on nature as it doesn't have any. Social Darwinism ftl.

And please don't feed the troll.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:36 am

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With all respect, and i mean it looks like you didn't have a good day. Really, at least inky made me think for those wich i forget to mention (and when i mentioned dumb people, i meant to those who are sexually promiscuous, that's i all had in mind for that moment). Anyways, you didn't really made a constructive reply, just a bit but then you just bs'd around in our replies. I know you don't really like our opinions, but the fact that you know more, don't mean you can talk sh.t.

with all due respect if you put as much thought into this reply as you did your first comment i probably wouldn't have had to post anything at all. You didn't make a constructive comment to begin with but ignoring the ignorance of your post you see fit to chastise me on the constructiveness or lack thereof of my post. You must be joking....

Nantosh wrote:

Although I'm sure you hold a relatively informed opinion, in such a subject ignorance and bigotry are bound to occur, and so perhaps their outbursts should be met w/ a more analytical and quantitative/qualitative responses rather than simple denouncement.

you make a point but coming to a topic like this and seeing the kind of post it attracted, the level of ignorance...like i said, they didn't deserve a proper response...

see twist for example....

@ All the people crying about over population. The amount of infection in most first world, populated countries is fairly low. The worst of the infection is in third world, under populated countries so your argument does not apply. Again, less throwing out thoughts and more actual thinking. A 15% in population in those countries would be very much welcomed....

JustOnePlz · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 262 **Location:**

Twist wrote:

Maybe your all going f4gg0t.

do you think before you speak or is there a constant flow of insultive ignorant garbage flowing from your mouth?

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:59 am

Keep talking like you know much.
Like i should i care.
And yes, i'm an ignorant. Give me some wiki pages, huh?

Locketart · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2119 **Location:**

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4023 **Location:**

Ryoko wrote:

The worst thing about aids is,

A) it can take a year or more to notice you have it
B) You live for 5-7 years with it

A. Flu-like symptoms can be seen during the early stage of infection. The antibodies for the virus, which are the basis for determining whether you're positive or not, can show as early as 2.5 weeks and as late as 6-7 months (usually).

B. 5-7 years was the average more than a decade ago. People are living much longer lives now even after their viral count / immune level goes to a point where they are diagnosed with AIDS. Not long enough and certainly not a carefree lifestyle but still.

I don't mean to be a dick, just pointing that out.

Twist wrote:

Say thanks to homos, they made HIV.

It's a shame you can't (legally) kill people for being bigots.

+1 on Nantosh's idea too btw. Although a violent solution is usually much more efficient when it comes to dealing with people like Twist.

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Epic245 wrote:

Do you guys know what this means... NO MORE RUBBERS!?

Vaccine for AIDS/HIV. So you still have the other shit to worry about lol

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:09 am

inky wrote:

FYI: A vaccine is not used to cure the infection but rather to prevent it.

There are many things you can do to prevent it, and now this? More prevention?
Maybe in the long far away future they'll make a cure for almost every disease.

Well, thats good i think. Every cure starts with a prevention.
I wonder if they already relased a cure for the swine flu... yeah, don't forget that cause is still going on.

Nantosh · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:17 am

Mirosuke wrote:

inky wrote:

FYI: A vaccine is not used to cure the infection but rather to prevent it.

I wonder if they already relased a cure for the swine flu... yeah, don't forget that cause is still going on.

A vaccine, and yes it's about to be released (so the drug companies and gov say anyways).

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Twist wrote:

Say thanks to homos, they made HIV.

Actually, bestiality with monkeys did it.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4023 **Location:**

Mirosuke wrote:

I wonder if they already relased a cure for the swine flu... yeah, don't forget that cause is still going on.

I hope you're being sarcastic. As unfortunate as the deaths "caused" by swine flu were, swine flu has the same symptoms and effects of regular flu. The main difference is that swine flu whores all the media attention whereas regular flu went out of fashion before any of us were ever born. "Swine flu deaths" are nothing more than media snacks. The truth is, the people who "died from swine flu" already had other complications and major risk factors such as age, a compromised/underdeveloped immune system, or other medical problems; therefore, the result would be the same whether they got the swine or the regular flu.

@Crimson:

Yep.

Viruses are usually very efficient organisms simply because they try to keep the host alive in order to reproduce - that's why most of them only infect 1 group. A trans-species mutated virus like HIV, on the other hand, doesn't know what to do with the host so it ends up turning into a fatal infection.

I guess we have Twist to thank for the "creation" of HIV.

Nantosh · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:25 am

CrimsonNuker wrote:

Twist wrote:

Say thanks to homos, they made HIV.

Actually, bestiality with monkeys did it.

I thought it was just people just eating SIV infected primates, and the retrovirus mutated, adapted in some humans and was propagated as you might suspect. That's what I was taught anyways.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

random sex with strangers ? ok ill take that, people can kill themselves in some other creative/profitable way.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:32 am

inky wrote:

Mirosuke wrote:

I wonder if they already relased a cure for the swine flu... yeah, don't forget that cause is still going on.

I hope you're being sarcastic. As unfortunate as the deaths "caused" by swine flu were, swine flu has the same symptoms and effects of regular flu. The main difference is that swine flu whores all the media attention whereas regular flu went out of fashion before any of us were ever born. "Swine flu deaths" are nothing more than media snacks. The truth is, the people who "died from swine flu" already had other complications and major risk factors such as age, a compromised/underdeveloped immune system, or other medical problems; therefore, the result would be the same whether they got the swine or the regular flu.

qft

but probably not worth the effort

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:34 am

inky wrote:

Mirosuke wrote:

I wonder if they already relased a cure for the swine flu... yeah, don't forget that cause is still going on.

I hope you're being sarcastic. As unfortunate as the deaths "caused" by swine flu were, swine flu has the same symptoms and effects of regular flu. The main difference is that swine flu whores all the media attention whereas regular flu went out of fashion before any of us were ever born. "Swine flu deaths" are nothing more than media snacks. The truth is, the people who "died from swine flu" already had other complications and major risk factors such as age, a compromised/underdeveloped immune system, or other medical problems; therefore, the result would be the same whether they got the swine or the regular flu.

Well, i mean this is a deadly flu. You can say like a regular flu, but it's strong than the regular one (because it can't be cure easly). And afaik, the cure isn't the same as the regular, and i'm not pointing for those who died (they died because of what you said), just to those who are (still) suffering.
Anyways, if the don't get the cure asap, those who still with the swine flu will stay on doom.
And don't make sentences which may anger others, please.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4023 **Location:**

It's not "stronger," just a different strain; and some of the medications used for regular flu does work on swine flu.

CDC:
What medications are available to treat swine flu infections in humans?
There are four different antiviral drugs that are licensed for use in the US for the treatment of influenza: amantadine, rimantadine, oseltamivir and zanamivir. While most swine influenza viruses have been susceptible to all four drugs, the most recent H1N1 influenza viruses isolated from humans are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine.

Anyway, we're getting a bit off-topic here.

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:44 am

XemnasXD wrote:

qft

but probably not worth the effort

Fact is, if i was dying from AIDS, you could be celebrating, laughing and everything.
Well, at least is what i sense.

Peace man.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:50 am

if you were dying of AIDS i wouldn't care about you individually, i don;t know you...but as one of the 30+million suffering, i'd hope this cure works and i'd hope it's available for a reasonable price...those are the facts...so you're wrong...for like the 4th time this thread

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Nantosh wrote:

CrimsonNuker wrote:

Twist wrote:

Say thanks to homos, they made HIV.

Actually, bestiality with monkeys did it. No.

I thought it was just people just eating SIV infected primates, and the retrovirus mutated, adapted in some humans and was propagated as you might suspect. That's what I was taught anyways.

^ This, "bestiality with monkeys" is a myth.

asusi · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 3223 **Location:**

hiv is ok, aids is bad

rek · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:07 am

Twist banned for 7 days.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Ryoko wrote:

I believe we as humans we weaken our own race by stopping natural selection.

Meh I don't think HIV/AIDS and other diseases and viruses really count as natural selection.

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

Nantosh wrote:

CrimsonNuker wrote:

Actually, bestiality with monkeys did it. No.

I thought it was just people just eating SIV infected primates, and the retrovirus mutated, adapted in some humans and was propagated as you might suspect. That's what I was taught anyways.

^ This, "bestiality with monkeys" is a myth.

WAT? I'VE BEEN LIVING A LIE

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:21 am

Reise wrote:

Ryoko wrote:

I believe we as humans we weaken our own race by stopping natural selection.

Meh I don't think HIV/AIDS and other diseases and viruses really count as natural selection.

nor do i...in some cases you can see social darwinism but overall not really in this case...

not too sure about genetic diseases though some of them appear recently whereas some have been around for a very long time. I think evolution took us in the way we needed to go, rely on our brains to figure out what we need not our environment or genetics. Kinda like we're heading towards protoss instead of zerg to expose my inner nerd...

NeoShadow · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 341 **Location:**

as i was reading this i kinda got reminded of I Am Legend what if this cure turns against us and makes us like the zombie things from the movie

Priam · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:18 am

NeoShadow wrote:

as i was reading this i kinda got reminded of I Am Legend what if this cure turns against us and makes us like the zombie things from the movie

Yes, that's most likely to happen. Isn't there an age/mental status limit on these films? there should be.

And I lol'd at all the twats on the first page claiming aids is a good thing. Right.

We weren't meant to die from these disseases, hence it's not natural selection. A cure would actually be brilliant, yet expensive, people still die from TBC, whilst a vaccine is long available. Aids won't be gone for long.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

XemnasXD wrote:

i had about 2 paragraphs listing the cause and spread of the virus in third world countries, the number of people, children, who die each year. The social climate and oppression that starves these people of the knowledge and means they need to sexually prepare themselves. F*ck it. You guys aren't worth it. You are just...*cringes*

@
Dumbass number 1

Da_Realest wrote:

I don't think a vaccine would be a good idea. What will happen to the world's population if it does work?

quickly followed by...

Mirosuke aka Dumbass number 2 wrote:

But what happens if the aids keep killing more dumb people?
ok, i think its good lol

then there's this comedian

SM-Count wrote:

Btw, why get rid of HIV? I dun get it.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/l ... cepalm.jpg

It's still a change. It doesn't matter if 15% are affected or just 5%. It's still a change from the norm. Statistically, it may seem like a good idea but there is no telling what effect it will have on the world's population because you can not factor in human behavior. If anything, the biggest change will be with those who don't have AIDs, changing how they currently perceive people with the disease and regions of the world where the disease is the most prominent. It could be a change for the better or worst but I see no reason to take that chance.

Of course it's not going to lead to immediate overpopulation but I don't see how you could refute one of my points that its going to lead the world towards overpopulation faster than the world would have if we hadn't found a vaccine.

woutR · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:27 am

Ryoko wrote:

The worst thing about aids is,

A) it can take a year or more to notice you have it
B) You live for 5-7 years with it

Which means, theres years of time to spread it to others, who carry it for years, thus making it more difficult to stop and get rid of.

Imagine living in a world where 75% of the population had aids, and your statistcal odds of each person getting it were just as high. Imagine if it was "probably assumed" you'd eventually get aids. Imagine it being so bad, we know the end of most of the worlds population is coming soon, and were just drawing it out.

On a side note,

I believe we as humans we weaken our own race by stopping natural selection.

If you every studied evolution over the period of earths existance, good designs work and evolve, bad designs fail and die.

Many genetic disorders from cancer prone families, to algeries, diabetes, insufficient immune systems, and a million other things would have fallen into the catagory of a bad design and eventually die out, but we use surgery, machines and science to cheat the evolutionary process.

By doing so, we make things worse for our race by continuing to breed it into the gene pool, accepting it and coming up with resolves to prolonge life. Unless we work to eliminate things completely, or cure them completely (and aids too) eventually, EVERYONE will be in a cancer/diabetes/allergies family.

One side of our family (not my side) is a colon cancer family. Like, so many of them had a colectomy, are plagued with digestive issues, go in for polup removal etc. Yet, new nephews and neices arrive all the time. And of course, most of em have the gene too.

(Is an example - not that I wish anybody death. Dont mistake.)

You could also see it differently by saying the human race is so evolved, it doesn't need natural selection.
We create our own evolution, we don't need to wait around for thousands of years before we adapt. I price the human life higher than our natural evolution(I'm sure you do too), so be glad we can control certain aspects of our immunities and the likes.
And also just because we have medicine and treatments, it doesn't mean we don't still naturally evolve immunities. It isn't for sure that everyone will get allergies and cancer over time, it's very likely that somewhere along the line a partner has an immunity gene and will pass it on to his child, breaking the cycle.

And btw, we can live a lot longer with HIV than 5-7 years.

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

Priam wrote:

NeoShadow wrote:

as i was reading this i kinda got reminded of I Am Legend what if this cure turns against us and makes us like the zombie things from the movie

Yes, that's most likely to happen. Isn't there an age/mental status limit on these films? there should be.

And I lol'd at all the twats on the first page claiming aids is a good thing. Right.

We weren't meant to die from these disseases, hence it's not natural selection. A cure would actually be brilliant, yet expensive, people still die from TBC, whilst a vaccine is long available. Aids won't be gone for long.

Actually, diseases are part of "natural selection." There are a few limiting factors which can determine certain genetic variations, and disease is one of them. Without genetic variation, a population will just die out to a changing environment. So, let's say a new disease is introduced to certain populations. Normally at this point natural selection would act on genes resistant to that specific disease in later generations. However, if those genes are nonexistent in one population, that population would simply be eliminated from the disease. But there is a plus side after all: the population(s) with the gene(s) capable of being resistant to the new disease are still capable of producing later generations naturally immune to the disease. Thus after that point, every new generation will be innately immune to that certain disease, and those [populations] incapable of producing immunized generations will most likely die out, eliminating possible populations in the future from failing victim to that certain disease.

OT: let's hope this vaccine turns up promising.

Trace · **Joined:** May 2009 **Posts:** 244 **Location:** Mirrodin

Reading this thread makes me believe that it was a mistake for us to eradicate smallpox.

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