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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:33 pm 
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Some religious people say they would have killed/raped and so on if it weren't for the wrath of god.

This is fear what you're talking, what most people think, they don't even think of doing good, they just do it because they'll get "punished"

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:44 pm 
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Some religious people say they would have killed/raped and so on if it weren't for the wrath of god.

This is fear what you're talking, what most people think, they don't even think of doing good, they just do it because they'll get "punished"

It's called deterrence. It's nothing some torture/jailtime can't handle.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:16 pm 
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Thats disgusting, but you have to remember that no one walking by knew that the homeless guy saved the woman's life, they might have just thought he was was gangster who died in a gang fight. i'd still call 911 though...


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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:37 pm 
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As soon as people realize there's no such thing as "good" or "bad" morality, perhaps humanity can finally take a step forward; however, before then we'll be stuck trying to figure out who's "right" and who's "wrong" when there really isn't anyone who is.

OT: Yeah, I'd stop and help the man. I've stopped and helped people I didn't know off the side of the road before; this wouldn't be much different, beside the urgency of need of help.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:41 pm 
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Stop complaining or whining. It's no one's fault. It's all about determinism. They left the wounded man because some atoms in their brain made them do so, they never had a choice, all are predefined by atom interaction :sohappy:

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:47 pm 
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Cant believe how people just leave the guy laying there, or even take a picture x__X
I know i would atleast call 911.

The moral climate nowadays ... :palm:

On a sidenote: Silo you're one hell of a childish troll.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:15 pm 
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On a sidenote: Silo you're one hell of a childish troll.

Can't help it, atoms in my brain made me do so :soosad:

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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In this thread: nuclersilo mocks determinism and replies from another thread because he doesn't understand the concepts.

OT: Already covered.

Edit: Forgot:


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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:21 pm 
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That's why we need spiritual involvement. Morality is important :sohappy:
No religion = dead society :sohappy:


No religion = Me chillin' on Mars.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:39 pm 
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EvGa wrote:
In this thread: nuclersilo mocks determinism and replies from another thread because he doesn't understand the concepts.

OT: Already covered.

Edit: Forgot:


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What I say or I will say is predefined. You don't have to be surprised. Everything is under control of some atoms :sohappy:

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:46 pm 
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What the **** is wrong with people.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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In my opinion, with today's world, I think some level of basic EMT training should be mandatory for everyone by the time they leave high school. Not only does it promote helping others since you don't feel incompetent in situations like this, but it's just good to know in general.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:48 pm 
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similar thing happened in toronto in the middle of the winter iirc. dude had a heart attack collapsed in the middle of the sidewalk or on the edge of the road and people just walked and drove by staring.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:49 pm 
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What I say or I will say is predefined. You don't have to be surprised. Everything is under control of some atoms :sohappy:


Ignorance is bliss.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:02 pm 
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EvGa wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:
What I say or I will say is predefined. You don't have to be surprised. Everything is under control of some atoms :sohappy:


Ignorance is bliss.


But not to those who arn't ignorant and have to listen to his/hers/its nonsense! :banghead:

Honestly silo, the way you act makes you look like a 10 year old.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:11 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:20 pm 
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Fault of atoms :sohappy:

...What the FUCK are you saying?You totally break the initial subject with religion and now you come with physics stuff?You're a real Paradox nuclear.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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Silo should win the best troll of the year award...epic

love the trollface smilie :sohappy:

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:56 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:58 pm 
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If he was laying in a pool of blood yeah i'd have stepped in but from what the article says he took awhile to bleed out and the picture shows him wearing alot of baggy clothing. Its possible no one noticed the stab wounds through all of that especially at night. I'm not rude to homeless people but im not a bleeding heart, theres too many of them for that and i've got my own shit to worry about. If i saw a homeless man lying on the pavement i'd assume he was drunk and keep my distance if i could in case he did something stupid, i think most people would and i don't think thats rude or inhumane. Really the only person who should be ashamed is the women he helped because she knew what had happened to them...everyone else can't be faulted for indifference...

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:16 am 
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If he was laying in a pool of blood yeah i'd have stepped in but from what the article says he took awhile to bleed out and the picture shows him wearing alot of baggy clothing. Its possible no one noticed the stab wounds through all of that especially at night. I'm not rude to homeless people but im not a bleeding heart, theres too many of them for that and i've got my own shit to worry about. If i saw a homeless man lying on the pavement i'd assume he was drunk and keep my distance if i could in case he did something stupid, i think most people would and i don't think thats rude or inhumane. Really the only person who should be ashamed is the women he helped because she knew what had happened to them...everyone else can't be faulted for indifference...


That's what some argue, but in any case, a homeless person lying on the street, facedown, not under an awning or anything, I would call 911, not to tell about a stab wound, but a homeless person in distress, or obstructing the sidewalk, or something like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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Homeless people are like Starbucks in NY, there's one in every corner. So are you going to call 911 everytime you're about to cross the street?

@Goseki:
Lol. I still have a valid CPR certification but I sure as hell would get the fuck out of there as soon as I can since I don't want to be obliged to do mouth-to-mouth to a disgusting hobo. (Obviously not required in this case)

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:09 am 
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He was lying close to the street, face down, not like most homeless, who lie against the wall, or on stairs. If anything, I would look a little closer (mind you, not too close), and when I see blood, I would instantaneously call 911
Also, I am from long island, so I go to the city fairly often, so I know what's up.

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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Lol good for you. I still say screw that, I got an E train to catch. =p

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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Haha.
I guess the topic title is relevant for some of you guys :palm: :nowant:

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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So you just go over to any homeless people you meet who are laying in awkward positions and inspect them to see if they're ok? I find that extremely hard to believe especially if you live on long island...

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 Post subject: Re: Moral Failure.
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I don't live in Queens so I dunno how common it is to see people lying unconscious on the sidewalk.

I'm surprised there hasn't been any "ONLY IN AMERICA" comments yet.

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Reise wrote:
I'm surprised there hasn't been any "ONLY IN AMERICA" comments yet.

asusi wrote:
ONLY IN .....


I wasn't surprised to see it from him.

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So you just go over to any homeless people you meet who are laying in awkward positions and inspect them to see if they're ok? I find that extremely hard to believe especially if you live on long island...


Well, a few things wrong with this snappy remark :)
1. I am not inspecting them, I am not testing their pulse, if he was lying face down almost on the street, that is an indicator that something is a little bit wrong.
2. I would call 911, because as a Long Islander, I rarely see these kinds of things, except in the city, but I am just saying, that 25 people ignoring him, is ridonculous.
3. Not all long islanders are rude/intolerant/indifferent to humanity.

BTW @EvGa I wasn't surprised either :)

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