Lol... yea ignorance >.> I've had 3 laptops and they all got pretty hot way too fast compared to my desktop. Running games on high end like he was saying would generate a lot of heat from Cpu and Gpu and it would be sure to put some pressure on ram as well. It's always smart when using high end Computers be it a PC or a laptop to use a motherboard monitoring tool and keep and eye on cpu temp and motherboard temp. I do acknowledge that I left out "High End/Gaming" laptops that made me think about overheating. I thought that was implied when the topic title is Alienware... And crappy laptops don't tend to overheat as much due to low cpu power, so that may be why you don't experience any heat from it.
And I mentioned they are good if you plan on traveling(Yes that means school since you travel from home to there). Perhaps you missed it so I'll bold it for you.
Yes..ignorance. A laptop gets hot but the parts can handle it, just like desktop parts can. Do you know how hot my GPU can get to while playing games? It hits 95 C. Is this bad? No. You said
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Most laptops overheat from being on for like 3 hours anymore even just sitting idle
which is completely false.
As for the bolded part...completely false again. I don't think you realize that older CPU's don't take less power than newer CPU's in a general sense..much like the fuel efficiency of cars over the past years. Cars have become faster (in a sense) yet more fuel efficient. Magic.
Yes..ignorance. A laptop gets hot but the parts can handle it, just like desktop parts can. Do you know how hot my GPU can get to while playing games? It hits 95 C. Is this bad? No. You said
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Most laptops overheat from being on for like 3 hours anymore even just sitting idle
which is completely false.
As for the bolded part...completely false again. I don't think you realize that older CPU's don't take less power than newer CPU's in a general sense..much like the fuel efficiency of cars over the past years. Cars have become faster (in a sense) yet more fuel efficient. Magic.
And..I'm studying to become a computer systems engineer, so in another 3 years you can ask me alllll your questions.
Ask you... lol yes.. I'd do that before family that's been in the field over 8 years >.> New Cpu's depend upon their architecture, not all are power savers and don't generate heat. When thinking about the heat from cpu's, it's "generally" bigger = more heat. same with a GPU.. Why do you think the bigger the Gpu/Cpu, the bigger the power supply needed?.. Common sense is needed with you..
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Most laptops overheat from being on for like 3 hours anymore even just sitting idle
Overheat may have been exaggerated a little, but common laptops that you buy with standard setups easily get hot while sitting idle for 3 hours(I didn't mean asleep) I just mean not running any programs that take serious ram or cpu. Your ignorant if you think they don't. A desktop CPU can have a nice heatsink fan or even liquid cooling. A laptop with that is gonna be a little trickier seeing as how a decent heatsink wouldn't even fit into a laptop. See where I'm going? Laptops lack being able to be properly cooled.
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I don't think you realize that older CPU's don't take less power than newer CPU's in a general sense..
Of course architecture does come into play. i5 is the best for overall performance vs power consumption. i7 is the best, but not recommended for laptops. And according to you
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I bought a gateway for 629.99 + tax core i3 15.6 inch ati 4650 gfx card
I play sc2 on med/high, crysis on med/high and evreything else..well med/high. The best high end laptops IIRC are the asus Gxx line, they are a tad over 1000 (maybe less for some models) but they have i7's 5870's and the works.
As for battery life..well I get 3~ hours if I don't play games. Haven't tried playing them without a power source as I need my laptop alive for school.
Battery life is gonna be an issue. And if it's sucking the battery in 3 hours when your NOT gaming at only 35W max with an i3, then why would anyone even consider an i7 for a laptop when it get's up to 45W which would make it less than 3 hours most likely while NOT gaming. And anyone that is a hardcore gamer isn't gonna wanna sit their laptop plugged into a charger all the time in Order to play (Makes it no better than a desktop). Which is why I recommended Desktop off the bat. Battery life isn't an issue, and cooling is much more efficient and you have a lot more options for high end gaming. Easiest solution for needing a Laptop for School and wanting a gaming PC.. get both.
Blackdragon you pretty much nailed it. Ive gone through 8 laptops by "gaming" On them. Through 4 of those ive had my desktop still going strong. I can upgrade when needed, I never have to not play a game or use it because I cant find a power source.
His only question was whats a good gaming laptop? You do not buy a laptop specifically to game on.
And one last note. You are not going to find a laptop to play SC2 on with ultra graphics without breaking the 1500-2000 dollar mark. So to answer your question squirt... No you cannot buy a gaming laptop to play what you want for the price you stated.
This is far off topic, but you're still wrong lol. This whole power consumption argument is based off what I said. That this isn't 1999 where laptops are shit. Or it could be you saying my i3 is 'bad' and generates less heat, I don't know.
Also CPU's haven't been getting bigger, they've been getting smaller. But okay.
Now that we're past the fact that you completely ignored these two words
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I don't think you realize that older CPU's don't take less power than newer CPU's in a general sense..
Picking out just the battery life is such a silly thing to do. Do you know that some laptops have the option to switch from on-board to dedicated graphics? Do you even know what brightness setting I use to get those 3 hours? How do you know if it's not max and I could really get 4 hours? How much does a laptop without a graphics card get? My friends laptop gets 30 minutes more than me without a graphics card, and has a T6600 cpu.
And how does plugging in a laptop make it no better than a desktop? There are plugs everywhere around my campus. They aren't so you can drag your desktop around with a 24" monitor and play wherever you want. I can fit my laptop easily in my bag along with it's plug. I could buy an extra laptop battery which isn't even expensive. A 12 cell for my laptop is only 60$ and that effectively doubles my battery life.
Get your mind out in the open and realize that a i7 w/ a 5870 laptop can play ANY game on high, AND it's less than 1500$.
Why does everyone frown at the thought of playing games on a laptop?
Many OEM's put limitations on their hardware so that battery life doesn't suffer too greatly. Laptop video cards and laptop processors are under-clocked, and some do not feature over-clocking capability. Also, OEM's like Sony and Toshiba lock the hardware (makes it impossible to update the drivers without going through them) and do not update their drivers.
Yes, laptops can play games (I play on one), but if you have the money it makes infinitely more sense to buy a good desktop and a netbook or a small laptop.
Edit: "Facepalm" is a strong word. "Frown" is better and we frown because many of us know first hand the limitations to laptop gaming, that's all we mean.
It only makes infinitely more sense if someone can use a desktop in place..Different things for different people. I can't drag my desktop around and I like to play games. Simple =\
I was actually just answering that specific question: desktop vs laptop, not the question of portability.
Yes well thats an Asus so your whole argument...Yes their products are... ok at best. The link you provided shows an Asus at around 1800$, way out of his price range.
Get your mind out in the open and realize that a i7 w/ a 5870 laptop can play ANY game on high, AND it's less than 1500$.
You do realize laptops go through way more wear and tear and generally dont last any where near as long as a desktop. Having a laptop for personal use and light gaming on the go is cool. But why shell out over 1500+ dollars for one just to game occasionally while on the go?
Here ya go viewtopic.php?f=76&t=119807&hilit=asus he gets just about the same battery life as I do and he has one of the BEST gaming laptops around.
Yes well thats an Asus so your whole argument...Yes their products are... ok at best. The link you provided shows an Asus at around 1800$, way out of his price range.
Get your mind out in the open and realize that a i7 w/ a 5870 laptop can play ANY game on high, AND it's less than 1500$.
You do realize laptops go through way more wear and tear and generally dont last any where near as long as a desktop. Having a laptop for personal use and light gaming on the go is cool. But why shell out over 1500+ dollars for one just to game occasionally while on the go?
Here ya go viewtopic.php?f=76&t=119807&hilit=asus he gets just about the same battery life as I do and he has one of the BEST gaming laptops around.
That asus has a 1-1/2 to 2 hour battery life.
You a) don't know what you're talking about b) don't know what you're talking about c) can't quote properly.
the asus was an example. You can find it other places than those two websites for cheaper, depending on deals as well. A laptop can last an easy 3 years, it's all about how you use it and treat it. In the review he mentioned he got about 2-2.5 hours battery life. With caution you can get 3 hours. Simple.
Why argue if you don't know a lot about computers anyway..This is like the topic where someone mentioned you should buy an AGP graphics card and was serious. Whyyyyyyyyyyy
This is all way off topic, but it is really frustrating seeing little kids talk about stuff they know nothing about. But thats ok, tell the guy who has been in IT for the past 16 years he knows nothing about computers.
Haha and forgot to mention..3 years of use versus 7-10?(this goes to the whole dt vs laptop debate) Asus makes great mobo's but when it comes to laptops do you really think they can charge less for a product without skimping in other areas.(meaning quality of product) I can guarantee you if you lined up an Asus and a HP of same specs and ran the shyt out of them which one will die first? Asus will everytime. You get what you pay for. So with Asus you get good gfx, shytty battery life and what 2-3 years of use? Screw that.
This is far off topic, but you're still wrong lol. This whole power consumption argument is based off what I said. That this isn't 1999 where laptops are shit. Or it could be you saying my i3 is 'bad' and generates less heat, I don't know.
Also CPU's haven't been getting bigger, they've been getting smaller. But okay.
Now that we're past the fact that you completely ignored these two words
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I don't think you realize that older CPU's don't take less power than newer CPU's in a general sense..
Picking out just the battery life is such a silly thing to do. Do you know that some laptops have the option to switch from on-board to dedicated graphics? Do you even know what brightness setting I use to get those 3 hours? How do you know if it's not max and I could really get 4 hours? How much does a laptop without a graphics card get? My friends laptop gets 30 minutes more than me without a graphics card, and has a T6600 cpu.
And how does plugging in a laptop make it no better than a desktop? There are plugs everywhere around my campus. They aren't so you can drag your desktop around with a 24" monitor and play wherever you want. I can fit my laptop easily in my bag along with it's plug. I could buy an extra laptop battery which isn't even expensive. A 12 cell for my laptop is only 60$ and that effectively doubles my battery life.
Get your mind out in the open and realize that a i7 w/ a 5870 laptop can play ANY game on high, AND it's less than 1500$.
I've decided. You are an Idiot. Well I decided that a few posts ago, but then you just blatantly post "Your Still Wrong" I got some luls. Stupid ppl make me smile so I thank you.
In response to the battery issue your having: 1.) I pointed out battery life in regards to a specific thing you said about your i3. 2.) Battery consumption says a lot about power consumption. What does high power consumption mean? Higher temperatures. 3.) A laptop draining a battery in 3 hours is surely to get hot, Playing a laptop while plugged in, generates heat a lot faster. 4.) Even with a bigger battery, it will still consume to same amount of power, He just has more to use. My point was Consumption rate reflects hardware usage 'usually' in Laptops which then generates more heat. More heat than a Desktop. A Great comparison is my Desktop. Cool to the touch and I've had it running for 3 days straight now. My sisters dead ass laptop. We have a big family and everyone was getting on it all the time. I got on it once and had to sit it on the couch arm cause it was so hot just a couple hours after it was turned on. She took it for maintenance and they said the heat was normal.
As for your null and void wiki link. You think I'm retarded? Or maybe you didn't read this from your own link
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While a processor with a TDP of 100 W will almost certainly use more power at full load than a processor with a 10 W TDP, it may or may not use more power than a processor from a different manufacturer that has a 90 W TDP. Additionally, TDPs are often specified for families of processors, with the low-end models usually using significantly less power than those at the high end of the family.
TDP is a viable way to determine generated heat. More Power = More heat. Sure it's suppose to dissipate that, but that's more of a guide line as it can't dissipate all the heat generated. Newer Computers have higher rates. Hence the massive upgrades in Desktop PSU efficiency in order to keep up.
ONE LAST THING. Why did you show me New Mobile Processors compared to an Older Desktop Processor? That arguments makes no sense. If your intent was to show me that it's lower in mobile Processors, then bravo I hadn't noticed J/k, I did.. and it doesn't negate the fact either way that laptops generate more heat than a desktop because of insufficient cooling.
You should rethink your career if you really wanna be a computer engineer
Bottom Line. Desktop pwns Laptop in the world of gaming. Laptop pwns Desktop in the world of mobility and easy access.
Sicne he is asking for laptop though. Get an i7940 extreme, 8GB ram(anything less is mediocre for a laptop nowadays) SSD not HDD (Hdd in anything over $2,000 is a waste of potential) That would run you about $4,300 not counting small things.
My ideal laptop would only amount to around $2,000. I already have to money for it when I start school in January from a Special grant it wouldn't be a gaming beast, but it would be able to run whatever I wanted pretty smooth.
Cool ruining the argument with name calling. You failing aside.
What is your argument exactly?
I don't have a "battery issue", in fact 3 hours is pretty average for a laptop like mine, with or without a graphics card.
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3.) A laptop draining a battery in 3 hours is surely to get hot, Playing a laptop while plugged in, generates heat a lot faster.
You realize there is almost zero correlation here right? A 3 cell battery would die in about 1.5 hours. A laptop drains a battery in 1.5 hours, must be hot as hell! Playing with it plugged in drains heat a lot faster??? What? Where do you get this information.
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4.) Even with a bigger battery, it will still consume to same amount of power, He just has more to use. My point was Consumption rate reflects hardware usage 'usually' in Laptops which then generates more heat. More heat than a Desktop.
Actually you CLEARLY stated the point was about battery life.
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Battery life is gonna be an issue. And if it's sucking the battery in 3 hours when your NOT gaming at only 35W max with an i3, then why would anyone even consider an i7 for a laptop when it get's up to 45W which would make it less than 3 hours most likely while NOT gaming. And anyone that is a hardcore gamer isn't gonna wanna sit their laptop plugged into a charger all the time in Order to play (Makes it no better than a desktop).
The TDP link was because you're basing it solely off TDP. Just refer to the first line of the article..
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The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, represents the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate.
That is what I was pointing out mainly.
Saying newer computers have higher rates (I'm assuming you mean TDP), is also wrong in the sense that the TDP goes up or down depending, but efficiency wise has gotten WAY better.
My point in showing those 2 processors was more or less to make fun of the way you showed 2 successive core lines in an attempt to 'win' a sub-argument.
You being a complete ass aside with those other comments.. I just have to point out that you keep thinking heat equates dead computer. Why? You know the parts in a laptop are rated to be that hot right? You know they aren't going to last 7 years, but as a gamer I think you should realize hardware updates are needed more often than that, but not often enough to say no to laptops.
In the world of gaming not many things beat an i7 with an ati 5870, which is exactly what you can get for about $1500 (and while were gloating, I got $8000 entry to my university, so that's nothing to me). While this is more than most people want to spend, fact remains that it is very possible. For not even half that amount you can get an ATI 5650 with a core i3, just like I did. And guess what, both of these should last 3 years easily assuming you treat your laptop properly. Sure they could last longer, but by then you might want to consider upgrading. Is 3 years too short? Maybe it is to you but I can bet you all the money in the world that many think otherwise. We all know that desktops have better bang-for-buck, but at the cost of portability. Over the past years this difference has gotten smaller and smaller to the point where gaming on a laptop is VERY possible.
Oh and btw, laptop on couch/bed is going to get much more hot than on a desk because you're likely blocking the fans, and the material of the couch/bed will also get much hotter than a desk. If I leave my laptop on my bed while playing Crysis for 1-2 hours it might overheat, might not. But I wouldn't risk it.
@deathtoall The price I mentioned was quoting the review I posted. As I said prices vary depending on where you buy, where you live, and what deals you can find. The review is sort of laughable as it doesn't say how the battery was tested (actually it does in another link, showing they played videos half the time, not something I'd be doing while taking notes in class..).
And lols if you're keeping a desktop for 7-10 years for gaming..what games you playing? And what is your point with the asus vs HP? An HP equivalent would cost WAY more and probably doesn't even exist lol. Where do you even get 2-3 years of use from too. I have a 7 year old laptop that runs perfectly fine. I'd say you'd probably keep it for 3 years as your main because you'd want a new one after that amount of time (maybe).
But you must know more with your evident product bias. You're the guy at bestbuy telling me to buy the macbook instead of the gateway because it's "better". Lol
where did any1 say laptops were better than desktops, I want direct quotes, and if they provide, they are dipshits.
I used to lug my huge computer everywhere, since I have a huge case , but now I just take my laptop and everything is hunky dory, its so much easier for lan gaming
the 480m SLI only runs Starcraft2 on ultra at 47fps :/ not my kind of gaming, I like 60 fps mini, but 120 fps recomm for my 3d gaming
Yes Az, I am way offtopic and I am product biased. I can get a HP with the same specs as the ASUS for about 2300. To me thats a better deal becasue I know 2 things.
1. HP hardware will last longer. 2. if anything goes out, HP's Cs is 100 times better than ASUS's.(I can work on them but why do it when spending that much money.)
All idiocy on my part aside, Maybe we should be getting back on topic..:p
Yes Az, I am way offtopic and I am product biased. I can get a HP with the same specs as the ASUS for about 2300. To me thats a better deal becasue I know 2 things.
1. HP hardware will last longer. 2. if anything goes out, HP's Cs is 100 times better than ASUS's.(I can work on them but why do it when spending that much money.)
All idiocy on my part aside, Maybe we should be getting back on topic..:p
Don't know why you don't like asus, iirc Asus had highest customer satisfaction, or reliability can't remember which. Never owned one myself so I can't be too sure but usually never hear anything bad about it.
I blame retards. And by retards I mean the only one in here that thinks Laptops are better for gaming than Desktop and think Laptops don't get hot.
lol..? Why are you getting so offensive? Did I hit a nerve on..oh my god..laptops!!!??? Get a life kiddo, I never said laptops were better and I never said they don't get hot. I'm simply showing people who think they are bad, that they are not. But oh god forbid I enlighten you from your state of desktop vs laptop nirvana. My bad.
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Yes Az, I am way offtopic and I am product biased. I can get a HP with the same specs as the ASUS for about 2300. To me thats a better deal becasue I know 2 things.
1. HP hardware will last longer. 2. if anything goes out, HP's Cs is 100 times better than ASUS's.(I can work on them but why do it when spending that much money.)
All idiocy on my part aside, Maybe we should be getting back on topic..:p
HP is shit. Everyone in IT knows HP is shit. I've been laughed out of tech schools for pointing at my $1500 defective HP laptop. I'm also sure the many class action lawsuits that have been brought against HP in recent years further cement the fact that they make shitty shittops filled with shit and **** and shit and ass...
That aside somewhere along the way the argument got lost. I could blame deathtoall or i could blame blackdragon but i honestly think it was the both of them combining to make some supermassive entity that turned this entire discussion in on itself.
Yes most desktops last longer than most laptops. The longevity of electronics is 1) Their design 2) Their use. As technology improves computers are able to do a lot more without it wearing as much. You can buy a $700 laptop that can play most games at max settings without worrying that you're running it into the ground. I know that because i've seen $700 laptops with better specs than my HP and my HP was running everything fine, before the defect kicked in (which was due to poor laptop design cause HP sucks). Games are always behind technology and the more advanced the technology the longer it takes the game to come out to make use of it giving time for new tech to overshadow it etc etc.
The idea that laptops can't be used for gaming is as archaic and subjective as the idea that computers aren't for the average person. Are desktops better for gaming. Obviously. They have more powerful hardware, they're mostly more durable, they're cheaper (if you know where to look), and they run the risk of over heating less. This is like the debate between using a mouse/keyboard and using a controller. Everyone knows the keyboard is better but if you're good with a controller you can still play the game well and have fun. Nowadays you can game safely on your laptop without running the risk of it exploding and if you buy right and treat it well it can last you a good while. Anyone who can't see this is just being a fanboy and just like the mouse VS controller debate is a dumb one this discussion is also a dumb one. It's a matter of personal preference these days.
and for the record admitting that you've burned through 4 laptops in the lifespan of 1 desktop only makes you sound less tech savy...not more...Why would i listen to the guy who obviously didn't learn how to buy/use his machines after the first 3 times when there are people who obviously are capable of getting it right the first time...
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I blame retards. And by retards I mean the only one in here that thinks Laptops are better for gaming than Desktop and think Laptops don't get hot.
lol..? Why are you getting so offensive? Did I hit a nerve on..oh my god..laptops!!!??? Get a life kiddo, I never said laptops were better and I never said they don't get hot. I'm simply showing people who think they are bad, that they are not. But oh god forbid I enlighten you from your state of desktop vs laptop nirvana. My bad.
I not once said they are bad. I said Desktops are better for gaming. I would love a fucking laptop right now.
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Well I've been researching the laptops that Azilius and Gaige posted. Gaige's seems like its better. Thought I'm short a few hundreds at the time being.
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Well I've been researching the laptops that Azilius and Gaige posted. Gaige's seems like its better. Thought I'm short a few hundreds at the time being.
I noticed that you are looking for one under $1000 and can handle high end games. That's gonna be tough.
1.) Processor. The link in your first post is good, but you need to go for an i7core and not a duo. duo is so 2 years ago and is only dual core (I made that mistake) and the i5 core they provide is a piece of crap. 2.)RAM. Definitely go for the 4Gb as it's only $50 more than the 2GB. I only have 3Gb in my desktop atm(32 bit os =[) and it sucks when tying to mulltitask a lot of different things. 3.)HDD depends on what you expect to have on it. I could prolly settle for 160GB. (I personally am getting an SSD though)
That only amounts to $1,149 if you go with
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PROCESSOR- Intel® Core™ i7 640UM OPERATING SYSTEM- Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit) MEMORY- 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 800MHz HARD DRIVE- 160GB SATAII 5,400RPM
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Well I've been researching the laptops that Azilius and Gaige posted. Gaige's seems like its better. Thought I'm short a few hundreds at the time being.
I noticed that you are looking for one under $1000 and can handle high end games. That's gonna be tough.
1.) Processor. The link in your first post is good, but you need to go for an i7core and not a duo. duo is so 2 years ago and is only dual core (I made that mistake) and the i5 core they provide is a piece of crap. 2.)RAM. Definitely go for the 4Gb as it's only $50 more than the 2GB. I only have 3Gb in my desktop atm(32 bit os =[) and it sucks when tying to mulltitask a lot of different things. 3.)HDD depends on what you expect to have on it. I could prolly settle for 160GB. (I personally am getting an SSD though)
That only amounts to $1,149 if you go with
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PROCESSOR- Intel® Core™ i7 640UM OPERATING SYSTEM- Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit) MEMORY- 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 800MHz HARD DRIVE- 160GB SATAII 5,400RPM
That I might say is a pretty good deal.
overkill...he can find something much cheaper on newegg that will still play high end games...
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Well I've been researching the laptops that Azilius and Gaige posted. Gaige's seems like its better. Thought I'm short a few hundreds at the time being.
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it wouldn't be a gaming beast, but it would be able to run whatever I wanted pretty smooth.
, but now I just take my laptop and everything is hunky dory, its so much easier for lan gaming
