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look, hes not a muslim socialist anti-american foreigner satanic antichrist president anymore!

Its funny cause Romney has to now convince the republican voters than he never supported one legislative achievement of his career.


and all the republicans are piling on her, cause that goes exactly the opposite of his party's position.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/0 ... 57550.html

haha yup, heard about that. good luck Romney to cover his ass up.

Just throwing this in here, but I am getting pretty damn sick and tired of all the useless mud slinging going on, by both the Romney Campaign and Obama Campaign.

Honestly, at this point, if one of them were to be like "Hey, I'm done squabbling over every little thing. And instead want to get back to focusing on the issues at hand". I'd vote for that person.

same as politics in the uk... they spend more time picking holes in the others mistakes that they never focus on the real issues. we always have debates about whether the blame was inherited or caused.

however america voted for bush 3 TIMES! after the first it was clear he was a derp.... 3 TIMES!!!!

Not sure if you understand this, but there is certainly a difference between having a state with universal health care, and using the federal government to mandate every single state have a universal health care plan. For one, it's the states rights that allow them to choose their own system. No where has the federal government been granted this power...

@Penfold1992 Why are you even in this thread? 3x 3x 3x... lol

Why are Americans so against federal government? A central government is the only key to succes. I love it how all Americans support the great USA when they're on war, but are so divided about domestic issues which really need to be fixed.

Country > state

because im moving to america in around 3 years time Friction =)

You do know that one person can only be elected twice, right?

Unless of course you're talking about George SR. But yeah.

And oh, where are you moving to?

That's one school of thought. I don't agree with it at all, but still some people actually believe it. I really don't want to teach a class on the constitutional responsibilities of our federal government here in the U.S., so I'd advise you, if you actually want to know why most dislike the federal government, to go study up on the history of America, and especially on the founders and the situation they were going through in England.

In a nut shell, it's not the federal government's job to micromanage every aspect of day to day life. It's not their job to make moral decisions. It's not their job to run businesses... The fact they are doing so many things that they were never intended to do, could almost be over looked if it weren't for that pesky fact--They are horribly inefficient at doing the most basic of task. You'd have to be a raging liberal, or a complete idiot to want them to run so many important aspects of this country. Get back to protecting OUR borders(Not killing thousands in other counties/We're not the world's police...) and get back to maintaining interstate commerce and foreign trade. Honestly anything outside of that should be a state to state issue. If you have a hard time understanding this truth, you've probably been brainwashed into believing socialism is the only way.

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I'm guessing you're referring to CRA, which was signed into law by Carter, and expanded under Clinton and Bush. This was a good law until you see the many unnecessary revisions it had, but with the combination of GSE, things turned out for the worse. GSE allowed banks to take advantage of the fact that more people are able to buy a home, they made lower interests rates (Federal Reserve) and allowed even more people to get loans, which was the catalyst to the "bubble". Even with CRA, it was still a difficult process to get a loan for housing, just not as difficult and biased. You can't fully blame our economic mishap on the housing bubble, but it was a portion of it. There are many factors and involved both democrats and republicans, but again, republicans played a much larger role.

Hmm, I don't know alot about American history, but I studied it a couple of times in highschool. But the thing I'm curious about is that Americans really hate the government. It's like they believe their government is out there to destroy their lifes or something.

I also never said the government should run businesses. They should oversee their activities and obviously they failed that since the U.S. had their biggest economic recession since the Great Depression. This lack of government is the main reason for this recession. Also some things are not meant to be efficient, because safety or quality is more important then being efficient. I am talking about things like gas, water, defense, electricity and yes even healthcare. These kind of things should be done by the government. We can't take the risk of letting companies do those kind of things, because companies only think of profit. The U.S. are so hardcore capitilistic that they are even hiring private companies to help in the war (black cobra).

I am for a semi-communistic government. Semi as in the government has to take care of all the important services I mentioned before and they should have a controlling function on the free markets. It is the best way, believe me. None of the existing political or economical systems are perfect. You have to take the best of all systems and combine them. A system based on free markets with a government that overlooks all the activities.

And finally, a central government is the only key to succes. If you keep letting states decide on important things, the country wil get more and more divided. Imo, the biggest threat for the U.S. as a country is the freedom of the states. If it continues like this or it gets worse, it will be the downfall of the U.S.

Note: I actually love discussing about these kind of things, but I hate my English isn't 100%. Otherwise I could've really explained to you what I think should be best

i meant 3 times in total, he was re-elected twice but he served 3 terms... you cant say you didnt realize how stupid the guy was in the first 4 years... its obvious that was the case but then after his first re-election things werent much better either... even if americans were oblivious as to how stupid he was in the first 4 years you expect the next 4 to set out who he was but again he was re-elected?

Pretty sure he was elected to the office for only two terms, serving as President from 2001-2009. Which is the maximum amount any President of the U.S. is allowed to serve, thanks to a law that was passed a few dozen years ago.

No I was not actually, but that's also part of what started the artificial bubble. I'm not sure where you get this "republicans played a much larger role" when the only thing you can tell me they took part in, is hearsay mudslinging. I don't agree with what the republican part has stood for in the last couple decades, but to say the republicans are at more fault than the democrats, for a leftist idea... I don't know man, that sounds like a far cry from reality.


This is more or less ignorance of the events that took place to cause the recession. The regulations that the government placed on banks and "free" market are more to blame than anything. Most any economist worth his weight, knew as far as 10-20 years in advance that this recession was going to hit. They knew why it would happen, and it was because the crap they were forcing banks to do.


You do know you're talking about a government that takes the lowest bidder on just about every kind of contract job... I can't understand why you would insist that the government should not be efficient... and why do you think safety and quality have to be thrown out the window so one can be efficient at something?


This is crazy lol, it's like you've become so dependent on government, that you think only government can do these things, and do them safe. (Which I'm really not getting where you think the government does things safer or more correct than private companies.)As a country, we got along just fine in all these fields (besides national defense of course, that's actually a fed gov. duty) just fine before out gov. co-opted everything.



When you have a government that controls the aspects of the market place, there is no such thing as "free" market anymore. A central government is not the only key to success. You can talk in terms of your country because perhaps you understand the formation and laws of your country, but this is not a one size fits all kind of thing. America became one of the greatest and most powerful counties in the world in a very short time, and it was all based on the constitution we have. When you start straying from this document, which we have been doing for at least a century, you began to lose the very thing that made us great. If we truly had a free market, the consumer would be the deciding factor on who will succeed and who will fail. So why would a company that is dangerous to the people, and screw the people over, why would they continue to be able to do so? They are allowed to now because we have government supported "monopoly". blah blah... How it was meant to be... Local government was suppose to have the most direct impact on a person's life. The state government was suppose to regulate the bigger decisions that effect the state, and decide on laws and such, so it would have an effect on your life, but not as direct as local. Then you have the federal government, which was supposed to make sure all the states were getting along with each other and also protect our national border. Go study the civil war a little, you'll find out, it wasn't started over slavery. It was started because the southern states wanted to keep their rights as states, and the federal government wanted to be able to pass more invasive laws. The whole slave thing was more or less propaganda used by Lincoln to gain support for the war.

The central government is to blame for most of our problems today. America does not need other counties to survive, we have everything we need within our borders, but our government has tied our arms behind our back so we have to be dependent on other countries. ... Another story for another time, would take too long to go into the whole thing... but yeah..

--I laughed about the part that the states making decisions would divide people. Umm... The fed gov has split this county in half yet again. If states were making decisions, if you didn't like the laws in that state, you move to another. If everyone leaves that state or votes differently than the state will change. THIS IS WHY ITS SUPPOSED TO STAY IN THE HANDS OF THE STATES! So when you don't like the government you don't have to leave the U.S.A, you just leave the state. (Sorry just frustrating to try and wrap my head around someone that sucks the federal government's tit. /tongue in cheek)

*Blue in the face*

How can you believe this sh1t bro? The only people that profited from this recession were the banks themselfes. Billions of dollars were made selling people bullsh1t mortgage loans. We actually one time studied one of those loans. You would be shocked to know what those things really were. It had nothing to do with government forcing the banks, because the banks were more than willing to give those mortgages. And it's true alot of economists saw this coming, but the reason they didn't interfere is because everyone was profiting of it at that time. The banks got their money, the government 'helped' people get homes and the people got the homes. It was just another bubble, one that will be followed by many more. It has nothing to do with government regulations, because banks don't give a sh1t about that as long as they make money. And they know they have become so important to our financial system, which fuels our economic growth, that they can not be deleted. The only thing I blame the government is not taking measures in time and prevent the banks from doing these activities. Banks make the money and leave us with their sh1t. In a nutshell: privatize profits, socialize losses.



True, but all these bidders have to meet the criteria. I am not saying that government shouldn't be efficient, I'm just saying efficiency shouldn't be one of the main priorities of the government. Quality and safety are the most important. I dare you to name one company where quality and safety are more important then efficiency.



It's not that the government is the only one who can do these things, but they are the only ones that can do it without the main reason of it being profitable. Just read the above again.

As for the last part, just look at the U.S. now bro. It is the wealthiest country in the world, yet I can name atleast 20 countries if not more where the people have better lifes in terms of quality. And the reasons you can name for that all have to do with capitalism and the free market system. Sure free markets guarantee economic growth and a higher wellfare, but not for everyone.

And you are right about the government being respsonsible for your problems nowadays, but just remember your government is run by and given power by your companies.

It does for anyone with half a brain and the determination to actually do something productive with their lives.

i thought a president could run 3 terms but it terms out i was wrong its only 2 terms... my bad =)

Both candidates make me want to run an ice pick through my skull.

**** this thread, I'm out!

Politics piss me off a little too much, especially USA politics, so I'll just comment on Penfold...

There's been two different Bush presidents, George SR. and George Jr. That's likely why you're a little confused, father and son. Sometimes I do wonder if the whole invasion of Iraq after the Afghanistan stuff was to try and finish off his daddy's failed war.

In parting, what I think is the main reason why a lot of Americans don't like the government, (I hope it is anyways) is because in the last decade or two, the government seems to be more and more about keeping the rich, rich, and the rest below them. Republicans especially seem to have that goal in mind.

I could go on, separation of Church and State meaning less and less, regulation of morality when many government officials are probably some of the least moral people out there, but I wont, instead I'll just bide my time and hope that some kind of change will come about and make the government change drastically.

Paul Ryan: "I want to preserve the market in which investors invest knowing the risks."
*few seconds later*
"I want a market where investors can invest with confidence"


@This thread. When you use slavery to justify state rights..


US a world power in 1860s?


I dont want government interfering in my personal life!
Ban abortion
ban gay marriage
ban stem cell research

Okay, this thread is getting a little too ignorant...

In the famous last words of EvGa, "**** this thread, I'm out!"

In other news, with Mitt Romney adding Paul Ryan as his VP, they just might be the sexiest candidates ever. I'm just saying.

corporatism vs. capitalism

There's no point arguing a point when the other side is already convinced of what the believe. The only thing it does is rustle peoples jimmies.

Everyone, just go back to reading/watching your partisan propaganda and patting yourselves on the back.

Some people in this thread are just trying too hard.

Is it bad that I don't remember who/what Midori's old user name was?

Stupid bitches, changing their names.

It was x-law, right?

As far as politics are concerned, well, I just don't get it frankly. All this baby kissing, opponent demoralising, publicity stunts, appearances on Oprah and the suchlike. It doesn't make sense to me. Couldn't they be using that time to like, you know, fix crap? *shrugs*

At the end of the day I have a pretty simple voting system: the person with the coolest name wins. I have no interest in politics, nor any interest in studying them, so I have no other logical reason to base my vote off. Kind of rubs dirt in the faces of all those soldiers who died for our right to vote but, well, I'm sure they are use to be covered in dirt.

It was X-Lax

Not surprised you don't remember, don't post here much anymore.

Changed it because this was the only place i didn't use Midori as my name.

I agree with you MrTwilliger, too much time is spent on things other than fixing the problems.

Midori sounds like midol. I'm just saying.

midori sounds like chidori