Girl dies after parents pray for healing...

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Every parent has a limit to their control. If it was up to most they'd walk for their kid so nothing bad would happen. The girl had control of her body, mind not so much, but her body = her responsibility.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

it was the parents' responsibility to look out for their underaged kid. they should've been arrested.

mahumps · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1715 **Location:**

Even the church will curse this kind of parents..

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:02 am

mahumps wrote:

Even the church will curse this kind of parents..

actually some churchs encourage this type of behavior...Jehovahs Witnesses aren't allowed to receive blood transfers among other things...

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

TOloseGT wrote:

it was the parents' responsibility to look out for their under aged kid.

I'd tend to agree but an 11 yr old is pretty smart and self-capable. Do you know an 11 yr old that wouldn't go to the hospital with fatal conditions?

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Nuklear wrote:

Every parent has a limit to their control. If it was up to most they'd walk for their kid so nothing bad would happen. The girl had control of her body, mind not so much, but her body = her responsibility.

Yes, parents have a limit, but again I point out, the girl is young mentally and physically. There are numerous reasons that the girl cannot be accountable:

> She was sick. For an 11 year old to make her own decisions while impaired is not a good idea.
> All her life she trusted her parents. In that dire moment, why would she question their authority?
> She has barely reached puberty. Her reasoning skills isn't even on par with a teenager. T-T
> Her body suffered from a form of diabetes - an illness that her parents didn't know she even had. How can a child take control of her body if she doesn't even know what's wrong with it?
> She suffered from the symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, weakness. To just even look for a ride to go to the hospital is unbearable.

She never deserved to die.

Calico · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 244 **Location:**

Nuklear wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

it was the parents' responsibility to look out for their under aged kid.

I'd tend to agree but an 11 yr old is pretty smart and self-capable. Do you know an 11 yr old that wouldn't go to the hospital with fatal conditions?

Wow? So if you had an 11 year old daughter and were in the same position, you wouldn't have taken her to the hospital? You know.. because she is so self-capable. :roll:

mahumps · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1715 **Location:**

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Nuklear wrote:

Every parent has a limit to their control. If it was up to most they'd walk for their kid so nothing bad would happen. The girl had control of her body, mind not so much, but her body = her responsibility.

Yes, parents have a limit, but again I point out, the girl is young mentally and physically. There are numerous reasons that the girl cannot be accountable:

> She was sick. For an 11 year old to make her own decisions while impaired is not a good idea.
> All her life she trusted her parents. In that dire moment, why would she question their authority?
> She has barely reached puberty. Her reasoning skills isn't even on par with a teenager. T-T
> Her body suffered from a form of diabetes - an illness that her parents didn't know she even had. How can a child take control of her body if she doesn't even know what's wrong with it?
> She suffered from the symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, weakness. To just even look for a ride to go to the hospital is unbearable.

She never deserved to die.

+1.. with all those things she's feeling I don't think she can go to the hospital herself...

daemon225 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:37 pm

charge the parents with 1st degree murder lol

Locketart · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2119 **Location:**

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Nuklear wrote:

Every parent has a limit to their control. If it was up to most they'd walk for their kid so nothing bad would happen. The girl had control of her body, mind not so much, but her body = her responsibility.

Yes, parents have a limit, but again I point out, the girl is young mentally and physically. There are numerous reasons that the girl cannot be accountable:

> She was sick. For an 11 year old to make her own decisions while impaired is not a good idea.
> All her life she trusted her parents. In that dire moment, why would she question their authority?
> She has barely reached puberty. Her reasoning skills isn't even on par with a teenager. T-T
> Her body suffered from a form of diabetes - an illness that her parents didn't know she even had. How can a child take control of her body if she doesn't even know what's wrong with it?
> She suffered from the symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, weakness. To just even look for a ride to go to the hospital is unbearable.

She never deserved to die.

You summed up all the good points. +1

saiteris · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:45 pm

i don't know i feel sorry at first..Well people pray and it doesn't always happen ....Yeah Id pray is i knew that i have a bad form of cancer for healing not u know when u don't know whats wrong with you!

Locketart · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2119 **Location:**

saiteris wrote:

i don't know i feel sorry at first..Well people pray and it doesn't always happen ....Yeah Id pray is i knew that i have a bad form of cancer for healing not u know when u don't know whats wrong with you!

Is English your 4th language?

mahumps · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1715 **Location:**

They forgot what God said "People Work your best and I will do the rest". They didn't do anything. It's like I'm not ganna work coz God will give me free cookies if I pray. Oh come on..

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Prophet Izaach wrote:

She never deserved to die.

You do have some truth to your points but it seems we'll have to agree to disagree.

Swindler · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:37 pm

Jstar1 wrote:

religion is one of the best examples of irony

Deadly EYez · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:17 pm

agent420 wrote:

people like that are morons!!!

hospital vs. church...
hospital FTW

You can't blame the parents for a bad education system.

iGod · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 3728 **Location:**

Like someone else said, perfect example of natural selection.

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

Nuklear wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

it was the parents' responsibility to look out for their under aged kid.

I'd tend to agree but an 11 yr old is pretty smart and self-capable. Do you know an 11 yr old that wouldn't go to the hospital with fatal conditions?

Are you for real? I seriously hope that was some kind of sick, tasteless joke. Not funny.

iGod · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 3728 **Location:**

Vindicator wrote:

Nuklear wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

it was the parents' responsibility to look out for their under aged kid.

I'd tend to agree but an 11 yr old is pretty smart and self-capable. Do you know an 11 yr old that wouldn't go to the hospital with fatal conditions?

Are you for real? I seriously hope that was some kind of sick, tasteless joke. Not funny.

Ye lol, 11-year-olds self capable, geez, selfcapable 16-year-olds are hard to find nowadays :/

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080331/ap_ ... ling_death

another one:

OREGON CITY, Ore. - A couple whose church preaches against medical care are facing criminal charges after their young daughter died of an infection that authorities said went untreated.

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Praying>Hospital=FAIL
Praying+MR T+HOSPITAL= REZZ

Mr T was praying for this kid in a coma and after he left the room he came running out calling his name.

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Vindicator wrote:

Nuklear wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

it was the parents' responsibility to look out for their under aged kid.

I'd tend to agree but an 11 yr old is pretty smart and self-capable. Do you know an 11 yr old that wouldn't go to the hospital with fatal conditions?

Are you for real? I seriously hope that was some kind of sick, tasteless joke. Not funny.

If she's old enough to go for a walk, cycle, communicate with friends, etc then I'd say she's old enough to know when she's about to die; and consequently, go to the hospital or seek help. Look at my previous posts for clarification. The burden of responsibility wasn't totally on her, but when it came down to it she decided to die instead of getting real help.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Personally I've never met a single 11 year old that could get himself to a hospital and get aid if they needed it. Who has ever seen an 11 year old even do something like that before? We're talking about leaving the house, getting a ride or even walking to a hospital, on their own without direction, and then being able to tell the doc's what's wrong and shit.

It's ridiculous to even think a kid could, or would do that. How many kids do you know even want to go do a doctor in the first place?

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

Deadly EYez wrote:

agent420 wrote:

people like that are morons!!!

hospital vs. church...
hospital FTW

You can't blame the parents for a bad education system.

I bet such fundamentalists are to blame.
the only good excuse here is they might've been retarded.

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

Nuklear wrote:

If she's old enough to go for a walk, cycle, communicate with friends, etc then I'd say she's old enough to know when she's about to die; and consequently, go to the hospital or seek help. Look at my previous posts for clarification. The burden of responsibility wasn't totally on her, but when it came down to it she decided to die instead of getting real help.

She was an ELEVEN YEAR OLD KID FFS. When your 11 years old, you don't think your about to die, and if your parents are "helping" you, how is a kid suppose to know that she has whack jobs for parents and they are going to kill her. She can't. To expect the kid to seek medical attention against the will of parents is ludicrous. Almost as ludicrous as the parents themselves..

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Reise wrote:

It's ridiculous to even think a kid could, or would do that. How many kids do you know even want to go do a doctor in the first place?

If they were sick for 30 days I'd say 99%. The other percent being her.

Vindicator wrote:

...how is a kid suppose to know that she has whack jobs for parents and they are going to kill her.

They didn't, she died. So far it hasn't been reported that anyone forced her to not receive treatment.

Vindicator wrote:

To expect the kid to seek medical attention against the will of parents is ludicrous. Almost as ludicrous as the parents themselves.

More ludicrous then believing in the supernatural, believing the supernatural can heal, and believing she might be resurrected? >_>
Only 1 person on the 'outside' tried to help. That means you're left with crazy family and presumable crazy 11 yr old. She could only help herself at that point and she didn't.
It seems you're coming at this from an emotional standpoint where I'm coming at this from a logical standpoint. I do believe the parents should be charged, but the girl ultimately died because she was stupid. Natural selection.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Nuklear wrote:

Reise wrote:

It's ridiculous to even think a kid could, or would do that. How many kids do you know even want to go do a doctor in the first place?

If they were sick for 30 days I'd say 99%. The other percent being her.

And yet someone else posted a similar case, and you didn't see the kid going to a hospital then either.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Morgoth wrote:

@Draquish: lol i remember that story

anyone read angels and demons? i just reread it the other day and the parents of Kohler (a character in the novel) did the same thing instead of using medicine, that's why he became crippled

just thought id point it out

Yeah then he tried to take down the catholic church.

OT: Religious institutions need to be abolished before the ignorance overtakes American society. There is already a rejection of intellectual pursuits in the American youth, religion only hastens the process; Forced order can only lead to Chaos and decay.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

Morgoth wrote:

@Draquish: lol i remember that story

anyone read angels and demons? i just reread it the other day and the parents of Kohler (a character in the novel) did the same thing instead of using medicine, that's why he became crippled

just thought id point it out

Yeah then he tried to take down the catholic church.

OT: Religious institutions need to be abolished before the ignorance overtakes American society. There is already a rejection of intellectual pursuits in the American youth, religion only hastens the process; Forced order can only lead to Chaos and decay.

Yeah, soon we will have stuff like this on TV.

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Nuklear wrote:

You do have some truth to your points but it seems we'll have to agree to disagree.

Ahhh. A pointless act of persuasion for my part. You already made up your mind. I guess there's no point to continue.

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