Do you believe in fate..?

CeLL · **Posted:** Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:32 pm

"Cell theory refers to the idea that cells are the basic unit of structure in every living thing. "
relevant?

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

fate for me means if you are fat, you will be fat forever, or if you are stupid, you'll be stupid forever. i dont believe that, I think if you work hard enough, you can change anything. there is no pre-determined path, its the choices you make (like twilliger said)

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Fate is an excuse for wishful thinking lol

xzaz · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 1574 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

*BlackFox wrote:

Maybe, fate isn't some mysterious force.. xD but rather simply a term
used to describe what we cannot control.

Nothing is under anyone's control. It's all about physic. Atom A interacts with atom B, B interacts with C, etc...
Every trajectory of an atom is predefined : if A touches B, then A goes this way, B goes that way, etc...

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

Predefined is the wrong wordage there, but you can argue (easily) that due to former causes, the motion of said atom is predictable.

"A man can surely do what he wills to do, but cannot determine what he wills." - Schopenhauer

"I am a determinist. ...The real issue, so far as the will is concerned, is not whether we can do what we choose to do, but whether we can choose our own choice, whether the choice itself issues in accordance with law from some antecedent." - Brand Blanshard

From another forum, sums up the position of free will pretty well. In order to prescribe to free will you must also prescribe to something beyond the physical laws of the universe:

Quote:

We are chemical reactions, reacting to external physical stimuli in predictable ways. No matter how pretty the outcome is, the reality remains.

There is no way that the chemical complexes which give rise to our brain are able to 'choose' which interaction to do next. Chemicals behave like chemicals. If you want to believe you have a 'choice' in the matter, than you are proposing that there is some force which alters physical reality.

I love this topic. :sohappy:

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:16 pm

Every story has a beginning, a middle, and an ending. So far we're not sure what the beginning was on the universal level but obviously it happened because we're in the middle. To me fate is about the ending. Be it personal or universal the story has to end and so all things work towards that ending, whatever it may be.

If you agree that time is an illusion created by our inability to experience everything at once then technically the ending is set in stone. Because of this theory everything we do is set in stone as well. I don't think that means we don't have a choice though. It doesn't matter to me if anyone knows what choice I'm going to make before I make it all that matters is that I made a choice.

So i've established a loose theory that the story has an ending and freewill is possible even if the ending is already determined. Fate or Destiny or whatever would be the middle then. The outcome is determined and everything works towards it so everything is fated or destined whether you succeed or fail it was already determined, thats just how the story goes. That doesn't mean you shouldn't work hard and do your best because we can't experience time as whole and we live in a very limited plane of existence. As far as we should be concerned our day to day choices and the random elements we encounter are whats important. Whether they matter or effect things on the universal level should be the concerns of a higher level being if one exist...

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

No

@Nuclear:
You're slowly becoming a 2nd-rate troll. Come up with something new.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:06 am

inky wrote:

No

@Nuclear:
You're slowly becoming a 2nd-rate troll. Come up with something new.

who is the 1st? o.o

SM-Count · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 2761 **Location:** /wave

NuclearSilo wrote:

inky wrote:

No

@Nuclear:
You're slowly becoming a 2nd-rate troll. Come up with something new.

who is the 1st? o.o

PureOwnage; wonder that happened to him, probably wasn't fate though. If A bans B then B goes away, if N acts like B, wonder that happens next. Personally I dunno, out of my control if atoms happen to press a series of buttons for me, would be unfortunate.

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:18 am

I thought it was Sharp-something lol.

bryanvan · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1010 **Location:**

ofy1993 wrote:

xzaz wrote:

bryanvan wrote:

I know someone who does believe in faith!

John Lock! :sohappy:

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amazing spoiler faiL?

was like 2 seasons ago so no don't think so.

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:23 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

inky wrote:

No

@Nuclear:
You're slowly becoming a 2nd-rate troll. Come up with something new.

who is the 1st? o.o

andycooly.

Vaya · **Joined:** May 2009 **Posts:** 1848 **Location:**

fate means that you have no control over your life
you are just a puppet doing what you meant to do , thinking that you have choice

it's not my fate to write this post , i like the thread and i wanted to replay , i can easily change my mind and leave the thread , turn off everything

my vote is for NO

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

K.K wrote:

fate means that you have no control over your life
you are just a puppet doing what you meant to do , thinking that you have choice

it's not my fate to write this post , i like the thread and i wanted to replay , i can easily change my mind and leave the thread , turn off everything

my vote is for NO

An illusion of free will. You could have not replied, but you didn't.

All forces (electrochemical in your brain and otherwise) compelled you to reply, they over powered the influences to NOT reply. Did you truly decide or was it already decided for you?

"A man can surely do what he wills to do, but cannot determine what he wills." - Schopenhauer

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:53 pm

So it's forgivable if you make a fault. You don't need to be sorry about that because you didn't mean to do it :wink:

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:57 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

So it's forgivable if you make a fault. You don't need to be sorry about that because you didn't mean to do it :wink:

there is a difference between accountability and responsibility. :sohappy:

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:06 pm

CeLL wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

So it's forgivable if you make a fault. You don't need to be sorry about that because you didn't mean to do it :wink:

there is a difference between accountability and responsibility. :sohappy:

But we are forced to do something, like we have a choice :soosad:

Pinoy_Archer · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 937 **Location:** Home

FATE???

Spoiler!

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:25 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

CeLL wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

So it's forgivable if you make a fault. You don't need to be sorry about that because you didn't mean to do it :wink:

there is a difference between accountability and responsibility. :sohappy:

But we are forced to do something, like we have a choice :soosad:

caused, not forced.

Pinoy_Archer · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 937 **Location:** Home

hey can you also call a theory as fate???

since some theory is bound to happen, and fate (base on what I understand) is also bound to happen then:

Theory = fate .... correct me if i'm wrong

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:30 pm

CeLL wrote:

caused, not forced.

Same. No choice = obligation = forced

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:46 pm

your thinking is flawed. :sohappy:

0l3n · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:53 pm

CeLL wrote:

your thinking is flawed.

Like always.

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:02 pm

0l3n wrote:

CeLL wrote:

your thinking is flawed.

Like always.

You see silo. This post would not have existed without my post. But it was not forced, it was caused. :sohappy:

edit: i forgot too.

Shadow · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1039 **Location:** lolwut

CeLL wrote:

You see silo.

He probably doesn't.

Oh, almost forgot... :sohappy:

Thomas42 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:18 pm

*didn't read the whole thread*
Fate? no. Ridiculous amounts of dumb luck? Hell yeah. Hard work? Yep.

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:19 pm

Thomas42 wrote:

*didn't read the whole thread*
Fate? no. Ridiculous amounts of dumb luck? Hell yeah. Hard work? Yep.

getting run over by a bus immediately after reaping the rewards of your hard work, fate.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

CeLL wrote:

Thomas42 wrote:

*didn't read the whole thread*
Fate? no. Ridiculous amounts of dumb luck? Hell yeah. Hard work? Yep.

getting run over by a bus immediately after reaping the rewards of your hard work, fate.

:| See.

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:17 pm

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

CeLL wrote:

Thomas42 wrote:

*didn't read the whole thread*
Fate? no. Ridiculous amounts of dumb luck? Hell yeah. Hard work? Yep.

getting run over by a bus immediately after reaping the rewards of your hard work, fate.

:| See.

Yeah, sounds pretty horrific doesn't it? lulz

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