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 Post subject: Re: Murdered for being gay
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:22 pm 
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This thread is fcked.. lol so many people write so many stupid things :?

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I did form a complete post the first time. It was short and to the point. What was there not to comprehend?


This was what you originally posted as a response:

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Indeed I know what I wrote and that was never my goal. It didn't even cross my mind that it could be taken that way but once again you read one part and post:

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America: We don't have individual civil rights and liberties. We have minority rights, women's rights, and homosexual rights. Sorry for not sugar-coating my comments well enough for you. Am I not allowed to criticize my country harshly? Is it so wrong to point out flaws in our republic? I have all the right to criticize America independently (without including) other countries.


Lmao, dude I'm done.

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gay person got murdered just for being who he was...thats pretty sad


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gender misidentification.


I thought that only happens during puberty. What about homosexual (males&females) that want to be the opposite sex. A lot of them report it being a life or death situation. Similar to the Canadian test in which the subject killed himself. Are they suffering from gender misidentification as well?


those people often undergo transgender surgeries. This is not the same thing as homosexual behavior. Yes i am gay, no i do not want a vagina in this life or the next. While we are all apart of the LGBT community and tend to support each other do not confuse them...

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I did form a complete post the first time. It was short and to the point. What was there not to comprehend?


This was what you originally posted as a response:

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Indeed I know what I wrote and that was never my goal. It didn't even cross my mind that it could be taken that way but once again you read one part and post:

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America: We don't have individual civil rights and liberties. We have minority rights, women's rights, and homosexual rights. Sorry for not sugar-coating my comments well enough for you. Am I not allowed to criticize my country harshly? Is it so wrong to point out flaws in our republic? I have all the right to criticize America independently (without including) other countries.


Lmao, dude I'm done.


I don't see how elaborating makes my initial post incomplete. :?
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i don't think anyone in this thread understands anything tbh....i'd just hate to be in a room with a group of ppl who wouldn't stop someone from shooting a gay kid because he feels like he had it coming, being black hardens your skin to these things but still the ugliness in people never ceases to amaze me...i'd like to say thats just life but thats true either....

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I don't see how elaborating makes my initial post incomplete. :?


FFS dude, I'm saying if you expect me to understand how to respond don't keep adding to your post.

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Last time I checked, you could be openly gay, without painting your nails pink, without wearing gay clothes, and using the homosexual jargon to go with it!

You may somewhat be holding back, but who wouldn't rather make it through Junior and Senior school without being bashed; or worse, killed?

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Last time I checked, you could be openly gay, without painting your nails pink, without wearing gay clothes, and using the homosexual jargon to go with it!

You may somewhat be holding back, but who wouldn't rather make it through Junior and Senior school without being bashed; or worse, killed?


I know that kid is overreacting everything but dun mean u gotta kill him..

if i dun agree with the way u talk about him, im allowed to kill u?

Coz its like, u cud hav seen that coming that i wud shoot u coz i mean, u talked in a way i dont like it so i thought: gawd why not kill him, makes me happy?

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I don't think the kid should have died, I don't think she kid should have been bashed. Though I don't think that having pink nails is a good way to avoid such conflicts.

I think she kid has every right to live, because he too is human, though as I said, the conflict could more than likely have been avoided.

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Snoopy wrote:
Last time I checked, you could be openly gay, without painting your nails pink, without wearing gay clothes, and using the homosexual jargon to go with it!

You may somewhat be holding back, but who wouldn't rather make it through Junior and Senior school without being bashed; or worse, killed?


Last time i check people had the right to express themselves without being hated upon. I could walk down the street with my piercings in, wearing all black and my hair as emo as i could possibly make it and not be disturbed by anyone. A gangsta could wear his skin tight shirts and nike hats and any other stereotypical piece of clothing and not have anything happen to him.

Now why is this? Because its simply fashion. People should have the right to wear what they want and express what they want. If someone likes to have pink nails, who cares? I certainly wont hate on him for having pink nails. If someone walks down the street wearing a cape i ain't going to shoot him just because i dont like it ( actually I'd shake his hand for being a legend but still). Everyone should have the right to express who they are in fashion. If i see someone dressing like a **** i dont think "wow what a **** i better kill him because hes different to me", i simply see him as another human being. His sexual preferences, his fashion preferences, none of that is relevant to who he is as a person.

To anyone who thinks he had it coming, just reanalyze your outlook on the world. How the hell are you meant to accept anyone thats different from you? Mass conformity as a wave of the future? Kill all of those who deem a bit of external thought?

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Last time I checked, you could be openly gay, without painting your nails pink, without wearing gay clothes, and using the homosexual jargon to go with it!

You may somewhat be holding back, but who wouldn't rather make it through Junior and Senior school without being bashed; or worse, killed?


Last time i check people had the right to express themselves without being hated upon. I could walk down the street with my piercings in, wearing all black and my hair as emo as i could possibly make it and not be disturbed by anyone. A gangsta could wear his skin tight shirts and nike hats and any other stereotypical piece of clothing and not have anything happen to him.

Now why is this? Because its simply fashion. People should have the right to wear what they want and express what they want. If someone likes to have pink nails, who cares? I certainly wont hate on him for having pink nails. If someone walks down the street wearing a cape i ain't going to shoot him just because i dont like it ( actually I'd shake his hand for being a legend but still). Everyone should have the right to express who they are in fashion. If i see someone dressing like a **** i dont think "wow what a **** i better kill him because hes different to me", i simply see him as another human being. His sexual preferences, his fashion preferences, none of that is relevant to who he is as a person.

To anyone who thinks he had it coming, just reanalyze your outlook on the world. How the hell are you meant to accept anyone thats different from you? Mass conformity as a wave of the future? Kill all of those who deem a bit of external thought?

Screw this, im done.


You seem to have a one sided mind.

This is a world of racism, violence and god only knows what other shit happens in this world. I was never said "Oh my, he should never wear pink nails because im going to pull a gun out of my backpack and shoot him"; I said that he could have avoided the conflict by not having the pink nails. Oh, I'm sure he is going to be absolutely disheartened because he can't wear his pretty pink nails - As said one million times, by doing so he bought it upon himself!

I'm not defending the kid, nor standing up for him, I'm taking the viewpoint of both sides.

This is NOT what I would do to the kid if he wore pink nails in front of me. It's what the citizens of the world would do to him, and as you can see, he was murdered for it! It may not necessarily have been the pink nails.

It doesn't just happen in America; you try walking through Surfers Paradise on a Friday night with pink nails and gay clothes, You would more than likely get bottled, glassed or stabbed. It's happened before.

It's almost a way of life, there's ways to avoid it and this kid didn't do it. Sure he has a right to express himself, though who would express themself when there's a chance you will get bashed, or worse; murdered.

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if you push your sexuality or religion onto others you deserve to die. respect/understanding are your key words


So most straight&homosexual people deserve to die, the bible belt and most of the mid-west should die, quite a bit of congress should die. Did I miss anyone? Oh and most of the Middle East should die. Some parts of Asia should die, let's not forget Europe. Most of Europe should die.

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he could have avoided the conflict by not having the pink nails. Oh, I'm sure he is going to be absolutely disheartened because he can't wear his pretty pink nails - As said one million times, by doing so he bought it upon himself!


thats where your statement becomes close minded. If he wants to wear pink nails he shouldn't have to worry about getting shot for it. what if someone said they'd shoot you for wearing jeans because they don't like jeans. You people need to learn to put yourself in someone elses shoes and then you need to grow a pair of balls. No one has the right to hand down judgment like that and im not going to be afraid to dress and act how i like. If you have in your mind that he deserved to be punished then your being a hypocrite because you wouldn't live your life by someone elses standards so why should he.


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he could have avoided the conflict by not having the pink nails. Oh, I'm sure he is going to be absolutely disheartened because he can't wear his pretty pink nails - As said one million times, by doing so he bought it upon himself!


thats where your statement becomes close minded. If he wants to wear pink nails he shouldn't have to worry about getting shot for it. what if someone said they'd shoot you for wearing jeans because they don't like jeans. You people need to learn to put yourself in someone elses shoes and then you need to grow a pair of balls. No one has the right to hand down judgment like that and im not going to be afraid to dress and act how i like. If you have in your mind that he deserved to be punished then your being a hypocrite because you wouldn't live your life by someone elses standards so why should he.


its like talking to a wall though with you people...a retarded wall

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Retard wall because I'm stating my opinion?

I can't help what happens in America. You see, Australian gun laws prevent things like this case from happening. The fact it too is a lot harder to get a gun here.

He obviously wasn't afraid to dress like he did, and he paid the ultimate consequence. Yeah he lives in an apparent "Free Nation", yet he still died, by saying such things you're only criticizing your own country.

He doesn't have to stop being gay to avoid the conflict, he simply has to stop dressing the way he was, not painting his nails pink, and saying to people they have a "Nice ass".

XemmasD you can say all the shit under the sun to me. I'm simply going to ignore it because more crap comes out of your mouth in one day, than what comes out of your arse in a year.

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if you push your sexuality or religion onto others you deserve to die. respect/understanding are your key words


So most straight&homosexual people deserve to die, the bible belt and most of the mid-west should die, quite a bit of congress should die. Did I miss anyone? Oh and most of the Middle East should die. Some parts of Asia should die, let's not forget Europe. Most of Europe should die.

Preaching respect and understanding yet making a post that contradicts that.
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i dont particularly like gay people and by that i mean i hate them to the point of snapping really fast getting aggressive and if i had an .killthis button they wouldnt be here...... but at the same time i think that w/e you want to do with your life should be up to you and every1 should respect it as long as you keep it to yourself

i wouldnt have any issues with a gay person dressed in all pink talking to me or working around the same area but i would probably be taking his head off if he was to address me like 'hey vanilla man' or be singing it's raining men next to me ........anyways i feel you can be w/e you want to be as long you dont affect others, examples:

you can dress as a massive ball and i wont care but when you are blocking the door i am about to use you and me have issues

you can permanently be on fire and be some sort of fiery monster but if you and me have to cross paths we have issues

if you and me live in x box and you are sucking 90% of the air there and not letting me breath properly one has to go .....

i hope you get the point and ya i do sound a bit hypocritical

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but at the same time i think that w/e you want to do with your life should be up to you and every1 should respect it as long as you keep it to yourself


Good thing I live in America. All those situations are different from a kid acting like what he thought a gay man should act like. None of them justify killing another person because they practiced freedom of expression. WTB Individual civil rights&liberties.

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I'm not a big fan of ****..... they annoy me, anything that annoys me deserves to die, even you...yes you who is reading this, yes you! ur dead, I know where u live :banghead:

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He doesn't have to stop being gay to avoid the conflict, he simply has to stop dressing the way he was, not painting his nails pink, and saying to people they have a "Nice ass".




exactly! I think straight people can all act straight as long as they stop hitting on women, not painting their nails, and dressing in the way they normally do. Its only to be expected that anyone who has any sense of self, personality, or opinions on how they should look feel and act that differs from what i consider norm should be eradicated. I mean they all have it coming.... :roll:


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He bought a pair of stilettos at Target, and he couldn't have been prouder if he had on a varsity football jersey. He thought nothing of chasing the boys around the school in them, teetering as he ran.


I had to lol at that.

That is antagonizing people, and almost to a point if they don't like it, a form of bullying.

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He is bullied in Gym class, and pushed around the locker room. His only friends were basically girls, and he was transferred through different schools become people made a 'Burn Book' about him wishing he was dead.

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I feel sorry for him, he was openly gay and people still bullied and ridiculed him for it.

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Larry seemed to like Casa Pacifica—"peaceful home" in Spanish. The 23-acre facility—more like a giant campground, with wooden cottages, a basketball court and a swimming pool—has 45 beds for crisis kids who need temporary shelter. Every day a driver would take Larry to school, and some weeks he went to nearby Ventura, where he attended gay youth-group meetings. "I heard this was the happiest time of his life," says Vicki Murphy, the center's director of operations. For Christmas, the home gave Larry a $75 gift card for Target. He spent it on a pair of brown stiletto shoes


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Sounds more like gender confused to me -.-

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I mean, he may have taken it a bit too far?

& that's just 3 pages of the article. I suggest some people read it.

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He doesn't have to stop being gay to avoid the conflict, he simply has to stop dressing the way he was, not painting his nails pink, and saying to people they have a "Nice ass".




exactly! I think straight people can all act straight as long as they stop hitting on women, not painting their nails, and dressing in the way they normally do. Its only to be expected that anyone who has any sense of self, personality, or opinions on how they should look feel and act that differs from what i consider norm should be eradicated. I mean they all have it coming.... :roll:


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Ugh, it's hard to explain, let me try again.

With the bullying happening in American schools, I can see why they would try keep it to themself, though as you said you were happy when you were openly gay, though I think painting your fingers pink is taking it to the next level. I'm not trying to offend anyone, Simply trying to state my opinion, although you may not all agree with it, that's why it's an opinion.


Why do you keep saying American schools, damn your Farking prejudice and ignorant at times. Bullying happens everywhere...

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Ugh, it's hard to explain, let me try again.

With the bullying happening in American schools, I can see why they would try keep it to themself, though as you said you were happy when you were openly gay, though I think painting your fingers pink is taking it to the next level. I'm not trying to offend anyone, Simply trying to state my opinion, although you may not all agree with it, that's why it's an opinion.


Why do you keep saying American schools, damn your Farking prejudice and ignorant at times. Bullying happens everywhere...


Because this happened in an American school perhaps?

In Australian school, we don't act tough to the new kids, we don't play jokes and pranks on that, there is always bullying here and I'm not going to deny that for one single second. Sure bullying happens everywhere, but this happened in an American school.

Would it be better if I said Afghan schools? Because that would be totally relevant?

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i dont particularly like gay people and by that i mean i hate them to the point of snapping really fast getting aggressive and if i had an .killthis button they wouldnt be here...... but at the same time i think that w/e you want to do with your life should be up to you and every1 should respect it as long as you keep it to yourself

What do you mean keep it to yourself ?
If your hiding something,how could everyone respect it when they dont know that.
I mean how can you keep yourself inside,how would you act then... like a stone statue ? or copy somebody other that "fits" the area.


i wouldnt have any issues with a gay person dressed in all pink talking to me or working around the same area but i would probably be taking his head off if he was to address me like 'hey vanilla man' or be singing it's raining men next to me ........anyways i feel you can be w/e you want to be as long you dont affect others, examples:

What about asking them politely to stop calling you that ? or ask them to stop singing that song that's bothering you ?

you can dress as a massive ball and i wont care but when you are blocking the door i am about to use you and me have issues

"Please may you move so i could pass ?"

you can permanently be on fire and be some sort of fiery monster but if you and me have to cross paths we have issues

So your saying people different from you should be 100m away from you if they don't want to be beat up/killed by you ?

if you and me live in x box and you are sucking 90% of the air there and not letting me breath properly one has to go .....

You are Claustrophobic ?

i hope you get the point and ya i do sound a bit hypocritical


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But don't, under any circumstances, push it.


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 Post subject: Re: Murdered for being gay
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_Scarlett_ wrote:
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Being gay is wrong, but it's not my business.

But don't, under any circumstances, push it.


I think imma hand this off to someone else...The replies so far have given me many lols ^,^


well, according to my religion it's wrong, but I ain't crying about it :)

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 Post subject: Re: Murdered for being gay
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heroo wrote:
_Scarlett_ wrote:
heroo wrote:
Being gay is wrong, but it's not my business.

But don't, under any circumstances, push it.


I think imma hand this off to someone else...The replies so far have given me many lols ^,^


well, according to my religion it's wrong, but I ain't crying about it :)

you may think its wrong, but other people dont, and now with influence of the media people are getting brainwashed

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