Do you guys believe in god?

RiceFarmer · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 342 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

RiceFarmer wrote:

To win all conversations in this topic, Evolution is fake, We are the same species as the rest, just more mental abilities, but simple as this, all origin of life theories are made from the fear of god, have you noticed nearly every theory has "no beginning", its just we are afraid of the fact when we die it'll be like before, we know we came from god, but some seem to think nothing existed and we were just there, we gained imgagination through gods creation and instinct forever, and when imagination and instinct (fear of god) collide, you get evolution and big bang, and evolution helped people understand everything around them, evolution is fake, simple as that.

u r so incorrect, I admit i dont understand how the universe began, but im not gonna make up some god or many gods because i can't understand it. I admit most unverisal things are uknown to man but this knowledge may be known as our brains can compute real-life situations with comprehesion and such, which allows us to able to comprehend a infinite amount of info, anything in this universe can be comprehended because we are part of it, and you cand understand it and thats why people say ( i cant understand god cuz hes not part of this universe) but if you're not part of any universe, ours or another, you cant exist, even "ektoplasm" needs some form of a universe, just depends on it's composed of, but god(s) dont exist, all imagination. and to continue the topic on the fear of gods, we "fear" god(s) because if don't do as they wish we'll wont be in a afterlife or hell, which leads back to the fear of death, i still win, next contendor plz

Thanks for making me smile, you don't win anything considering as I wasn't even trying to debate you, simply just contradicting what you first said.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

"hai guys, i'm an ignorant religious nutjob, i'm flame bait, rawr"

"hai guys, i'm an elitist atheist nub, i like teletubbies, rawr"

that's what i got from this topic

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

TOloseGT wrote:

"hai guys, i'm an ignorant religious nutjob, i'm flame bait, rawr"

"hai guys, i'm an elitist atheist nub, i like teletubbies, rawr"

that's what i got from this topic

Since when are religious people ignorant? Some of the greatest people in history were religious people

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

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Evolution is fake

The process of gradual change over time by picking favorable traits is not fake. It can be done naturally and artificially, for ex, dog breeders pick favorable traits to pass from one generation to another until you have a large variety in the canine species. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian; each ethnicity different physically. Why? Because not changing or not evolving is detrimental to one's survival. Each human adapted to fit it's environment. Adaptation is not fake.

Gaige is right. God(s) and the afterlife find their root in an instinctual fear of dieing before passing on one's genes.

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

It's true what baro says over time animals can change....but not that drastically. If your human no matter what color your still a human. That's never going to change and it never has. We didn't start out as some little tiny cell and then evolve into what we are today. Humans have be relatively the same since the world started...and guess what? We're gonna be relatively the same when the world ends.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Well, we've gotten much taller, our little finger has gotten longer, in areas with high levels of pollutants eye lashes have grown longer, our skulls are getting bigger, and we're getting smarter. These are significant changes. Now a European male may be a Human but a European Male is not an African male. Each one has distinct features for their environment. I would say almost completely losing one's pigment in the hair, eyes, and skin so less sun light is required for vitamin D development is a drastic change. I would say one getting a double fold over their eye to deal with wind is a drastic change. I would say growing longer eye lashes over time to deal with pollutants is a drastic change. These physical changes are significant and cannot be ignored. Humans have not been around as long as the Earth.

I would also say that Labrador retriever looking nothing like a Chow Chow is an example of a drastic change. Humans have not remained relatively unchanged; dogs, wolves, foxes, cats, and bears still share common traits, and if you were to look at the Fetus of a fish, human, dog, and elephant you would find it hard to differentiate between the four. This points towards common ancestry. Animals change over time and given enough time their appearance becomes different from their ancestors. Change or adaption due to natural or artificial pressures is factual; Evolution is simply a theory that seeks to put it all together and explain how each part relates to the other.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

Gaige wrote:

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

dude....evolution is still a theory :roll:

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Tasdik wrote:

Gaige wrote:

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

dude....evolution is still a theory :roll:

Yup

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

shhh, gaige is talking about the future when scientists will go back in time and prove that evolution is fact

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

It's a theory. In science, theories are treated higher than facts or laws. They don't just describe. They explain.

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Gaige wrote:

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

It's a theory. In science, theories are treated higher than facts or laws. They don't just describe. They explain.

Wait....I thought it went like this...Hypothesis < Theory < Law

CloudStrider · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 2125 **Location:** Away

Barotix wrote:

Well, we've gotten much taller, our little finger has gotten longer, in areas with high levels of pollutants eye lashes have grown longer, our skulls are getting bigger, and we're getting smarter. These are significant changes. Now a European male may be a Human but a European Male is not an African male. Each one has distinct features for their environment. I would say almost completely losing one's pigment in the hair, eyes, and skin so less sun light is required for vitamin D development is a drastic change. I would say one getting a double fold over their eye to deal with wind is a drastic change. I would say growing longer eye lashes over time to deal with pollutants is a drastic change. These physical changes are significant and cannot be ignored. Humans have not been around as long as the Earth.

I would also say that Labrador retriever looking nothing like a Chow Chow is an example of a drastic change. Humans have not remained relatively unchanged; dogs, wolves, foxes, cats, and bears still share common traits, and if you were to look at the Fetus of a fish, human, dog, and elephant you would find it hard to differentiate between the four. This points towards common ancestry. Animals change over time and given enough time their appearance becomes different from their ancestors. Change or adaption due to natural or artificial pressures is factual; Evolution is simply a theory that seeks to put it all together and explain how each part relates to the other.

Actually, no.

Dispite popular belief, the human race hasn't got smarter, if you took a baby from around the time Jesus was alive, and raised him in this time, you could not tell the difference.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

Tasdik wrote:

Gaige wrote:

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

dude....evolution is still a theory :roll:

just like dinosaurs Palin .......

CloudStrider · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 2125 **Location:** Away

And the Big Bang

And the String Theroy

And Dark Matter

And all Science.

Josie · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 124 **Location:** @ work

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Do you guys believe in god?

Considering everything that has happend. Bigbang etc, how the evolution has made humans and everything else what we are. With our endless universe with all of it mysteries.
There's got to be something that has made the start of all this, not just a boom.
We came from nothing and look how everything looks today.

It can't be that its pure physics, there's has to be more to it.
But tbh with you, I do not belive in god.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

god is a blown up fairy tale

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

The definition of science is being changed in a way that will no longer permit the rather obvious conclusion that God created living things. The term "science" once meant "knowledge discovered by experimentation, observation and objective investigation." When I was young we were taught that science was to be observable, testable, and repeatable. When one scientist did an experiment, others could repeat his experiment, and obtain the same results. If no one who repeated the experiment came up with the same results, those results had been "falsified," that is, shown not to be true. This definition of science served very well, but for those who teach that life formed spontaneously with no Creator involved, it has become a problem.

They want to teach their philosophy as science, but the idea that life came from non-living chemicals is not observable, testable, or repeatable, so it does not fall under the usual definition of science. To make the idea that the first life came about with no help from God appear scientific, science is being redefined. Despite the obvious problems and consequences to the scientific method many are now insisting that "science" must explain all that we observe by solely natural causes.

~Granps

Homie · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 86 **Location:** WEST SIDE!

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And all Science.

Yo, d00d gets it; Just one big assed collection of explanations, yo.
@That Tasdik d00d; facts and laws are used to support the explanation, yo. Like writing ummmmmm a final paper for english, yo.

Timmeh · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:** England

One thing can be for sure, those monks were definitly pissed of their heads when they wrote all that lololol.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

Hit me with a sack of potatoes. No, I don't.

This thread is going to crash and burn into a solid wall.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

inky wrote:

Hit me with a sack of potatoes. No, I don't.

This thread is going to crash and burn into a solid wall.

I hope it does,before it devours more of our time -_-

Zero_Doom · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 1572 **Location:**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

This thread should be locked... I'm reading too many idiots spamming. >.>

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

It should have been left to die

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

ok this isnt a debate, god doesnt exist and if you god(s) believers cant get over the fact you are mentally weak and cant accept the fact when u die ur gone forever, no ..... after-life people! we wont live forever ok. topic done with, god(s) is/are fake! just close it now

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

Gaige wrote:

ok this isnt a debate, god doesnt exist and if you god(s) believers cant get over the fact you are mentally weak and cant accept the fact when u die ur gone forever, no ..... after-life people! we wont live forever ok. topic done with, god(s) is/are fake! just close it now

You are acting no better than those ignorant religious fanatics now :banghead:

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

no if i acted like them i would be brainwashing the weak minded people, all I'm doing is telling the truth, completely two different things.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

no if i acted like them i would be brainwashing the weak minded people, all I'm doing is telling the truth, completely two different things.

Yeah because you know the answers to the world.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Gaige wrote:

Evolution isnt even a theory, it's true, the reason why it's a theory, is because those people who believe in God haven't accepted life how it is and is still afraid of death want to disagree with evolution because it scares them no matter how much they may deny it, evolution isnt a theory but fact!

It's a theory. In science, theories are treated higher than facts or laws. They don't just describe. They explain.

Greetings, Prophet Izaach.

I like your thought and agree with only one correction - Theories are treated higher than facts or laws of science in that they offer plausible explanations but your simple statement "They explain," might be better worded as "They attempt to explain."

If a scientist observed a cannonball as it fell to the ground while thinking about gravity, he might state the "FACT", "I observed the downward motion of an object."

Scientific LAWS are statements of fact that explain things in concise terms. They are generally accepted to be true and universal and oftentimes are expressed in mathematical equations. Laws too are attempts to explain things. Consider the "Laws of Motion" and the "Law of Universal Gravitation". Newtonian physics were considered true and universal (and are very useful even today) but they failed to explain the very large as well as "The General Theory of Relativity" did.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology. Newton's basic law is intact, but the theory expands it to include various and complex situations involving space and time.

We need to leave the area of testable provable science and enter the domain of ideology and philosophy when we discuss "God". It is generally accepted that "God is not a theory" by both sides of the discussion. Theism (as well as Atheism) are belief sets that do not reside in the realm of testable repeatable observation. To me, it is perfectly acceptable for someone to say they don't know what happened on the Tuesday before the Big Bang. I'm confident that you will agree that any attempt to explain such things fail as much as statements like "I hold all truth" do.

~Grandpa

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