God vs Science (God wins o.0)

AngelEyes · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 633 **Location:**

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The exorcist took the money and hired a private investigator to track down these things using historical records the same way most people would look for lost relatives.

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Sry to say but the exorcist just sit there in the same place, no contact with other ppl. We have talked in about 30 mins and they show the correct place for tomb, bones, etc...

This information needs to be provided when trying to prove a point, especially if your arguing against people that use science as a defense, you need to give proof. If you had stated this earlier you might not have left yourself open for doubt. Although, in this day an age of technology, there's nothing a micro-transciever and a 2nd hidden party to search the internet and relay the findings back couldn't find out in 30 minutes.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:18 pm

JacksColon wrote:

Wow, ignorant eh? Umm, I had a Ouija board as a kid. yeah, as a kid. then I realized, wait! This is retarded. And sorry, the onus isn't on me to prove the spirit doesn't exist. You claim it does exist, you must prove that. show me your spirit and I'll give you all the money I'll ever make in my lifetime and be your servant. you can't!

you have a simple mind and must rationalize the world in simple terms. done. your reasoning goes, "well, I can't figure out how that works...must be god! Oh well, that's cool"

I would hate to live like that, sorry :roll:

Yeah, kid plays Ouija. For kid, it's just a game. U didnt know how to use it that's all.
I have nothing to prove, I experienced it. U know u cant see spirit so stop asking retard questions such as "show me a photo, a pic, a tape, record voice" bla bla... The only u have is knowing its existence.
Meh, if humain could easily take a photo, record voice of spirits, the world would be in chaos. Yet, they've took photos but it has not enough evidences to prove coz ignorance ppl will just say "they edited it".

This information needs to be provided when trying to prove a point, especially if your arguing against people that use science as a defense, you need to give proof. If you had stated this earlier you might not have left yourself open for doubt. Although, in this day an age of technology, there's nothing a micro-transciever and a 2nd hidden party to search the internet and relay the findings back couldn't find out in 30 minutes.

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The exorcist took the money and hired a private investigator to track down these things using historical records the same way most people would look for lost relatives.

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Sry to say but the exorcist just sit there in the same place, no contact with other ppl. We have talked in about 30 mins and they show the correct place for tomb, bones, etc...

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This information needs to be provided when trying to prove a point, especially if your arguing against people that use science as a defense, you need to give proof. If you had stated this earlier you might not have left yourself open for doubt. Although, in this day an age of technology, there's nothing a micro-transciever and a 2nd hidden party to search the internet and relay the findings back couldn't find out in 30 minutes.

What do u consider a proof? A video? (the only thing u can see is the glass moving on the Ouija). A photo? U know u cant take photo of smt invisible. A record voice tape? U'll say ppl edited it. A book, a review? U'll say ppl write bullshit there. The witnesses? U'll say they are lying and bullshiting. So what do u want?

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:28 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

JacksColon wrote:

Wow, ignorant eh? Umm, I had a Ouija board as a kid. yeah, as a kid. then I realized, wait! This is retarded. And sorry, the onus isn't on me to prove the spirit doesn't exist. You claim it does exist, you must prove that. show me your spirit and I'll give you all the money I'll ever make in my lifetime and be your servant. you can't!

you have a simple mind and must rationalize the world in simple terms. done. your reasoning goes, "well, I can't figure out how that works...must be god! Oh well, that's cool"

I would hate to live like that, sorry :roll:

Yeah, kid plays Ouija. For kid, it's just a game. U didnt know how to use it that's all.
I have nothing to prove, I experienced it. U know u cant see spirit so stop asking retard questions such as "show me a photo, a pic, a tape, record voice" bla bla... The only u have is knowing its existence.
Meh, if humain could easily take a photo, record voice of spirits, the world would be in chaos. Yet, they've took photos but it has not enough evidences to prove coz ignorance ppl will just say "they edited it".

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This information needs to be provided when trying to prove a point, especially if your arguing against people that use science as a defense, you need to give proof. If you had stated this earlier you might not have left yourself open for doubt. Although, in this day an age of technology, there's nothing a micro-transciever and a 2nd hidden party to search the internet and relay the findings back couldn't find out in 30 minutes.

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The exorcist took the money and hired a private investigator to track down these things using historical records the same way most people would look for lost relatives.

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Sry to say but the exorcist just sit there in the same place, no contact with other ppl. We have talked in about 30 mins and they show the correct place for tomb, bones, etc...

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This information needs to be provided when trying to prove a point, especially if your arguing against people that use science as a defense, you need to give proof. If you had stated this earlier you might not have left yourself open for doubt. Although, in this day an age of technology, there's nothing a micro-transciever and a 2nd hidden party to search the internet and relay the findings back couldn't find out in 30 minutes.

What do u consider a proof? A video? (the only thing u can see is the glass moving on the Ouija). A photo? U know u cant take photo of smt invisible. A record voice tape? U'll say ppl edited it. A book, a review? U'll say ppl write bullshit there. The witnesses? U'll say they are lying and bullshiting. So what do u want?

Pilot · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 670 **Location:** Above you

Religion is the root of all evil.

AngelMare · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 639 **Location:**

Pilot wrote:

Religion is the root of all evil.

shut up please . :love:

shoto · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1459 **Location:**

interesting read....full of fallacious arguments though ... on both sides.

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

avarice is the root of all evil..

SaoKill · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1265 **Location:**

debating on God vs. Science is the root of all evil

Vandall · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1923 **Location:**

I thought that money was the root of all evil

Judge · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:53 am

Vandall wrote:

I thought that money was the root of all evil

What created the concept of ownership, property, and capital on this planet? Answer that and you will log off tonight knowing more than when you logged in.

EDIT: i have posted to much; one sided arguments are dull. The empiricist were stacked with heavy hitters, while the 'people of faith' weren't; until next time, i bid you, adieu!

Vandall · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1923 **Location:**

lol I was joking around Judge, didnt mean to get all deep with it.

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

Vandall wrote:

lol I was joking around Judge, didnt mean to get all deep with it.

the only deep you should go is balls deep! YEA!

Pilot · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 670 **Location:** Above you

AngelMare wrote:

Pilot wrote:

Religion is the root of all evil.

shut up please . :love:

XemnasXD wrote:

God decides what is Sin and what is not. Therefore God created the idea of Sin.

Destroy God and you will Destroy sin because without God there would be no one to judge what is Sinful.

lol@ religion being the basis of morality. More ppl have died or been killed, raped, burned, or otherwise annihilated in the name of "God" than in the name of anyone else.

Valkorn · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:26 am

Pilot wrote:

Religion is the root of all evil.

Girls are

Simplifique · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 372 **Location:**

Valkorn wrote:

Pilot wrote:

Religion is the root of all evil.

Girls are

^^

Rakion · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:37 pm

Simplifique wrote:

Valkorn wrote:

Pilot wrote:

Religion is the root of all evil.

Girls are

^^

LMAO...

btw that kid is smart

_Angels · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 707 **Location:**

San wrote:

u found this from my post didnt u angel?

ya i did

but this was a lil more interesting then faith =o

pinklyunfarted · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 28 **Location:**

Absence of heat = cold
Absence of light = dark
Absence of ancient superstition = atheist
Absence of intelligence = fundamentalist Christian

So why exactly can't we have cold? I just stepped outside, and I could've sworn it was freezing out there..

I think the best weapon a theist can bring to the table is obfuscation by semantics. Taking synonyms like "darkness" and "abscence of light", then using one to disprove the other.. It helps lead to faulty conclusions.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

JacksColon wrote:

I hate to be mean here, but you started it:

Are you that stupid? Religion and myth are used to explain the unexplainable also, however, it is done so in a way that does not require verification or validation. So, okay, this guy created the world...there, done. How do we test that? we can't....

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

We can look at lots of empirical evidence (look the word up, it'll do you some good) from observations and data and develop sound theories for the creation and formation of our universe, among other things. Sure, we often come up with new questions but that's the exciting part. And that's the nature of science, trying to peel back the layers of the "onion" to figure out what is really going on. Not trusting the word of a book written by multiple different people, over hundreds of years, translated into greek and then edited by an English King to his liking. Sorry. If you believe in the bible and god, then you believe the earth was created in 6 days and that god rested on the 7th. God gets tired??!???!!! he's Farking god! also, if you believe that, you're an idiot, sorry but it's true.

I like to take both religion and science into account. I'm a (computer) scientist myself, but I'm also a Christian. The Bible says that the world was created in 6 days, and God rested on the 7th day (was it because he was tired, or just he stopped creating stuff...?). However, I don't think it specifies that "a day" is a 24-hour Earth-Day. If the Bible is indeed God's word, information He told someone to write down, then God could say "a day" that represents millions of years. "A day" is relative. "A day" in our solar system is much different to "a day" in some other galaxy.

Science tells us that the world was created through this long evolutionary process, perhaps all starting with a Big Bang billions of years ago. Could it be possible that some omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal diety, let's call him God, caused that entire process to happen? From what I've seen, the Bible doesn't deny that evolution happened. It basically just says that God created various things each "day", but doesn't say how he did it.

Even if God had nothing to do with the inner workings of evolution and the details of creating the universe to what it is today, and assuming the Big Bang did indeed happen, where did that dust cloud, or particle of dust or whatever started it all come from? Do you believe that it was just floating through this vast void for all eternity until BOOM it turned into a universe?

I just don't see anything wrong with using religion to explain things that science cannot, yet, explain. I don't see it as a crutch.

pinklyunfarted · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 28 **Location:**

Atheists like science, and if a scientist says it, they gotta belive it, right? Lemme explain how atheism works; we don't take ANYTHING on faith and we don't believe in ANYTHING just because someone SAYS it, even if that someone is Einstein.

And we may not be able to see/sense magnetism, but we can observe it's EFFECTS on the world. We can EXPLAIN it matematically, maybe not fully, but enough to EXPLAIN observed fenomenons and PREDICT future outcomes. That is the purpose of a theory, to explain and predict. Theory of evolution does just that, so we use it. If it is proved wrong, we will change it. Disproving the theory of evolution in no way means that intelligent design is correct. The truth may be something completly different.

Science is NOT like religion: science not only can but WANTS to change and improve. It does not have "divine" facts that cannot be changed.

And that part about the brain was just... retarded. No, the students cannot se the profs brain, but by preforming a CAT-scan or just cracking his skull open, we can comfirm that he does have one. That something is "empirically proven" does NOT equal that it must be sensed with just our limited 5 senses, it can also mean that it is "sensed" by any form of technology designed to enhance human senses, like for example an X-ray scan.

God however can not be sensed or detected AT ALL. Nor can any direct effect he has on the world be observed. Nor does any theory predict or require his existance (in physics, some particles have yet to be deteced but are sometimes assumed to exist for those reasons).

While science starts out with nothing and attempts to find the truth, religion starts out with the assumtion that god is real, and attempts to prove it; working backwards. Making excuses and justifications. Even if there WAS some higher power out there, it does NOT mean that Christianity or any other religion is correct, OR that said power wants to be worshiped or even cares about or existance!

Isn't it possible that you NEED god to feel comfort and safety? Because you fear death?

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

JacksColon wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

U are just ignorance that's all. :roll:

Those who never experienced with Ouija will always talk bullshits. Prove me that spirit doesnt exist then?

Sry to say but the exorcist just sit there in the same place, no contact with other ppl. We have talked in about 30 mins and they show the correct place for tomb, bones, etc...

Wow, ignorant eh? Umm, I had a Ouija board as a kid. yeah, as a kid. then I realized, wait! This is retarded. And sorry, the onus isn't on me to prove the spirit doesn't exist. You claim it does exist, you must prove that. show me your spirit and I'll give you all the money I'll ever make in my lifetime and be your servant. you can't!

you have a simple mind and must rationalize the world in simple terms. done. your reasoning goes, "well, I can't figure out how that works...must be god! Oh well, that's cool"

I would hate to live like that, sorry :roll:

rofl, you mean you don't respect me now? ohh man, don't take this too seriously lol.

as for the mohammed story. I'd believe a story about someone who had a divine dream quicker than a story about some bigg ball which contained the whole universe.

and btw, aren't you a satanist? isn't Satan a character from the Bible or Quran?

Valkorn wrote:

maybe not 100% , what about 25% or something ? AND YOU

25 % proof, wtf?:S if it's not 100%, it isn't proof.

Judge · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:48 pm

heroo wrote:

JacksColon wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

U are just ignorance that's all. :roll:

Those who never experienced with Ouija will always talk bullshits. Prove me that spirit doesnt exist then?

Sry to say but the exorcist just sit there in the same place, no contact with other ppl. We have talked in about 30 mins and they show the correct place for tomb, bones, etc...

Wow, ignorant eh? Umm, I had a Ouija board as a kid. yeah, as a kid. then I realized, wait! This is retarded. And sorry, the onus isn't on me to prove the spirit doesn't exist. You claim it does exist, you must prove that. show me your spirit and I'll give you all the money I'll ever make in my lifetime and be your servant. you can't!

you have a simple mind and must rationalize the world in simple terms. done. your reasoning goes, "well, I can't figure out how that works...must be god! Oh well, that's cool"

I would hate to live like that, sorry :roll:

rofl, you mean you don't respect me now? ohh man, don't take this too seriously lol.

as for the mohammed story. I'd believe a story about someone who had a divine dream quicker than a story about some bigg ball which contained the whole universe.

and btw, aren't you a satanist? isn't Satan a character from the Bible or Quran?

Valkorn wrote:

maybe not 100% , what about 25% or something ? AND YOU

25 % proof, wtf?:S if it's not 100%, it isn't proof.

Jack doesn't worship satan, and you don't understand how science works, although; I respect you for your strong faith in the Quran, and Allh.

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

heroo wrote:

and btw, aren't you a satanist? isn't Satan a character from the Bible or Quran?

hmm, you say character as if it's a story..oh wait, it IS a story! mauahahaha

But no, you must understand what (most) satanists view. The idea of God or Satan to a satanist is not the same idea that most people have. Satanist do not believe in dieties or greater "beings" that have super abilities. The word satan comes from ancient hebrew with a rough translation being "the accuser", and that is the main reason it is used. Satanism can be viewed more as a critique of christianity and other "white magic" religions. To a satanist there is only one god, the self. To me, I am god. Why? Because I'm the most important to me. Yes, I care about others, but my survival and fulfillment of my aspirations are most important. So, the use of the terms "god" "satan" etc are not the same. Some satanists practice a whole ritualistic thing with alters and chants and shit because, as LeVay believed, they feel that the ritualistic practices are necessary for people. I don't believe that, but I believe a lot of what Satanism has to offer.

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

pinklyunfarted wrote:

Isn't it possible that you NEED god to feel comfort and safety? Because you fear death?

they fear going to hell, not death. They fear that if they don't worship god, they will be sent to hell, which isn't true. If you MUST believe in heaven and hell, then be a moral person. You know..you don't shoplift or hurt someone and then go to church and appeal for forgiveness and purity..like some people I know. You don't have to be religious to be a good person. being moral and doing the right thing is common sense. If you see two kids fighting you break it up, not stand there and watch, im sure normal people are able to see that.

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

Jstar1 wrote:

pinklyunfarted wrote:

Isn't it possible that you NEED god to feel comfort and safety? Because you fear death?

they fear going to hell, not death. They fear that if they don't worship god, they will be sent to hell, which isn't true. If you MUST believe in heaven and hell, then be a moral person. You know..you don't shoplift or hurt someone and then go to church and appeal for forgiveness and purity..like some people I know. You don't have to be religious to be a good person. being moral and doing the right thing is common sense. If you see two kids fighting you break it up, not stand there and watch, im sure normal people are able to see that.

agreed Jstar,

Problem is, many "religious" people are extremely immoral :roll:

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

I just don't see anything wrong with using religion to explain things that science cannot, yet, explain. I don't see it as a crutch.

Then maybe you should open your eyes more and realize it is a crutch. Like I said before, don't know if it was this thread, in the absense of evidence you don't create something or make something up. It's not logical, it's irrational, and down right retarded in my opinion. To accept all the science we have now but for the parts we can't explain yet totally shutdown what makes you human, a complex brain, is just beyond me. No proof? Stop believing.

Pinkly did a wonderful job too.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:19 pm

Ppl cant sense God, see God because they always think that God has a human-like shape. Why Dont u just see God as smt like an animal, or even smt as big as the whole universe?

agent420 · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 952 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

JacksColon wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Science cant explained how I can talked with spirits through Ouija board :roll:

LOL that's a joke right? please tell me it's a joke!!! :banghead:

Let's revive a dead thread :roll:

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=68518&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

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You are a moron!
The motion of the planchette is explained by the ideomotor effect. A typical session with the (ouija)board has two or more people touching the planchette with at least one hand each, so that no single person need apply much force in order for the group as a whole to cause it to move. Each person experiences the illusion that the planchette moves under its own power.

Skeptic and magician James Randi, in his book An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural, points out that when blindfolded, Ouija board operators are unable to produce intelligible messages.[7] Magicians Penn & Teller performed a similar demonstration in an episode of their cable television show Bullshit! in which the operators moved the planchette into what they thought was the positions of "yes" and "no" without knowing that the board was turned upside-down, which caused them to move the planchette into blank spaces on the board.

U said that because u read the bullshit from the internet from ppl who denied the existence of the spirit world.
Come on, did u ever try to use Ouija board? No u didnt. U are not dare to and u are not able to use it.
Some predictions are true, that I saw with my own eyes! Explain that!
My parents asked exorcist to find my grand-parents, uncle's tomb, corps es lost in war. Explain that!

you are still a moron...

i am double your age and have experienced alot more in this world than you. i have lived in haunted houses and dealt with the occult before. i don't confuse any of that with religious beliefs. and...for your info, yes, i have used a oiuja board...when i was like 10...they only answer what you want them to. they move from elecrical impulses given off by your body.

so...your parents go to exorcists...sounds like a wild and crazy friday night...and explain what? they asked a crazy person to find missing bodies...so? i don't think you finished your statement...try again.

silo...you should give up now and stick to what you know...jerking off to little asian girls that look like they are 10!

Nuklear wrote:

PR0METHEUS wrote:

I just don't see anything wrong with using religion to explain things that science cannot, yet, explain. I don't see it as a crutch.

Then maybe you should open your eyes more and realize it is a crutch. Like I said before, don't know if it was this thread, in the absense of evidence you don't create something or make something up. It's not logical, it's irrational, and down right retarded in my opinion. To accept all the science we have now but for the parts we can't explain yet totally shutdown what makes you human, a complex brain, is just beyond me. No proof? Stop believing.

Pinkly did a wonderful job too.

what is going on here. i have to stop agreeing with you. once again nuclear...2 thumbs up

@jack...keep up the good fight, i agree with you 100% as well!!!!!!!

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:20 pm

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i have lived in haunted houses

lol haunted? If it's haunted therefore ghost, spirit exist.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

Nuklear wrote:

PR0METHEUS wrote:

I just don't see anything wrong with using religion to explain things that science cannot, yet, explain. I don't see it as a crutch.

Then maybe you should open your eyes more and realize it is a crutch. Like I said before, don't know if it was this thread, in the absense of evidence you don't create something or make something up. It's not logical, it's irrational, and down right retarded in my opinion. To accept all the science we have now but for the parts we can't explain yet totally shutdown what makes you human, a complex brain, is just beyond me. No proof? Stop believing.

Pinkly did a wonderful job too.

pinklyunfarted wrote:

in physics, some particles have yet to be deteced but are sometimes assumed to exist for those reasons [e.g., theories that predict or require the existance of those particles]

They do it in physics, so why not for religion? They have a theory, and want to try to prove it, so they make assumptions for the existence of things that are required for the theory to work.

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