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Post subject: Race and genetics: racism vs. realism?  Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:43 pm |
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http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... a1113e5350
Quote: Biological differences exist, but the minor variations among humans mean their significance is a matter of debate A very good article...Some of you should read it. Quote: 'If I believe something then I'll say it," Nobel laureate geneticist James Watson recently warned the Times of London's Charlotte Hunt-Grubbe. And sure enough, the 79-year-old Watson, who co-discovered the structure of DNA in 1953, proceeded to shoot from the lip, bringing his stellar career to a crashing end in the process.
Watson, who is as famous for making controversial comments as he is for his science, said, among other things, that he's "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really."
Not content with impugning an entire continent, Watson drove the matter home, remarking that while he hopes everyone is equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true."
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:46 pm |
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ehm....they are coming from other countries and then they breed like flies. Dmbass-.-
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:53 pm |
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why should anybody here care what he says about race? are you suggesting something?
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:54 pm |
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Jstar1 wrote: why should anybody here care what he says about race? are you suggesting something?
I think you should read the article before you reply
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:18 pm |
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There are genetic differences. Proof: colour of skin, colour of hair, colour of eyes, average height/size, etc. We can tell a person's race by the structure of their bones as well - saying there's no such thing as genetic differences is ignorant.
These traits are very visible, the ones that people argue about are not.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:59 pm |
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Quote: Watson, the latter group argued, is just the latest casualty in an environment that doesn't allow people to ask dangerous questions -- or test dangerous hypotheses, such as ones involving racial difference -- even in a university.
I liked this quote.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:20 am |
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Reise wrote: Quote: Watson, the latter group argued, is just the latest casualty in an environment that doesn't allow people to ask dangerous questions -- or test dangerous hypotheses, such as ones involving racial difference -- even in a university. I liked this quote. I did too, I love asking those questions.
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:35 am |
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Quote: After all, the ideal in both medicine and morality has always been to treat people as individuals. But until recently -- until the decoding of Watson's and Venter's genomes -- that wasn't possible. Now, geneticists suggest that it will soon be possible to decode any individual's genome relativity easily and cheaply.
And this means that we will no longer have to group people together on the basis of their race or any other factor. Genetics will render race superfluous. And of all the people we'll have to thank for that, none will be more important than -- you guessed it again -- James Watson. the concept of "race" is man made and insignificant ~ its good to know i got jumped freshman year for saying this knowing that it had a solid backing in the sciences of man. Quote: :love: The Motherland , its been awhile since i have seen something remotely similar to that.
xemnas trace your roots; you wont regret it Oprah didn't regret it she is 98% Nigerian [not sure what tribe though  ] although ; i am 100%  .
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:47 am |
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dom wrote: There are genetic differences. Proof: colour of skin, colour of hair, colour of eyes, average height/size, etc. We can tell a person's race by the structure of their bones as well - saying there's no such thing as genetic differences is ignorant.
These traits are very visible, the ones that people argue about are not. did you even read the article....the ppl arguing don't have the evidence to back it up. It only takes few chromosomes to change skin color...even if everyone was white, ppl would still be picking on other minor differences, stop being petty. Quote: And it's absurd to group together all the populations of a continent, especially the continent of Africa, whose populations contain all the genetic variation that exists in humanity.
 The Motherland...
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:14 am |
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Quote: all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really."...Watson drove the matter home, remarking that while he hopes everyone is equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true." really funny, but in very poor taste.
what are we gonna do? shoot down science cuz it's not socially correct? if the data's there, it's there.
it's true, we put significance on the wrong things. so what if africans are more likely to get certain diseases. it's not like my black friend of 10 yrs is suddenly gonna become a haven for viruses.
james watson shouldn't have said what he said, but i also say **** those crybabies, if they couldn't handle it, they should've stfu.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:23 am |
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sounds like mein kamp
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:03 am |
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Silver0 wrote: sounds like mein kampf
that guy wasn't even german Ö_ö, he was an austrian psycho
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:47 pm |
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Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote: Silver0 wrote: sounds like mein kampf that guy wasn't even german Ö_ö, he was an austrian psycho
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:03 pm |
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Xyzzzy wrote: Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote: Silver0 wrote: sounds like mein kampf that guy wasn't even german Ö_ö, he was an austrian psycho lal, i speak english to, tho im pretty sure im still dutch.
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