Ahem...The SCARY Truth About Ron Paul :) The Serious Thread

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

Everyone is so enamored by Ron Paul because of his stances on the economy/budget, the war, etc. However, personally, some of the things he advocates scare me. For example (bold indicates things I REALLY have a problem with):

Save "snowflake babies": no experiments on frozen embryos. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.
Opposes "hate crimes" legislation. (Sep 2007)
Close Dept. of Education, but don't dismantle public schools.
Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
Tax-credited programs for Christian schooling
Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
Voted NO on increasing AMTRAK funding by adding $214M to $900M. (Jun 2006)
Rated 5% by the League of Conservation Voters, indicating anti-environment votes
Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
Get out of South Korea and let two Koreas unify. (Dec 2007)
No constitutional or moral authority for US action in Darfur. (Sep 2007)
Don't pressure Israel to give up land for promise of peace. (Sep 2007)
Not US role to monitor eradication of legal slavery in Sudan. (Sep 2007)
Avoid ratifying Law of the Sea Treaty. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
Block international highway from Canada to Mexico. (Dec 2007)
China trade not contingent on human rights & product safety. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru. (Nov 2007)
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on granting Washington DC an Electoral vote & vote in Congress. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border but then said the fence "isn't so important"
Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
Rated 17% by the AU, indicating opposition to church-state separation. (Dec 2006)

Kondo_Isami · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 258 **Location:**

anything better than bush, but im not from the states, so idc really

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

That's a good boy Jack.
Basically, if you don't agree with what he has done then you don't agree with the Constitution. Don't worry, you can always amend it, or make a law that backdoors it.

If you want to be technical some site actually went through his whole voting record, checked it with the Constitution, and it turns out he's not 100%. They cited 3-4 things that could be considered Unconstitutional.

Pilot · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 670 **Location:** Above you

Not even a serious contender...he's in no position to run for office.

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

Ron Paul would make a terrible president. Thank God he'll never get that chance.
But one thing I've yet to understand is why people support him by giving money/campaigning for him when he has absolutely no shot to win. Why not support a candidate who has a shot at actually winning?

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:44 pm

Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)

lol wtf?

glad im not from US

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Heh the benefits outweigh the risks to be honest, and some of those things aren't even that "bad".

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Pilot wrote:

Not even a serious contender...he's in no position to run for office.

Now Rudy's gone.
Defeatists ftl

Tasdik wrote:

Ron Paul would make a terrible president. Thank God he'll never get that chance.

I'd like to hear an explanation on your opinions.

Tasdik wrote:

...he has absolutely no shot to win.

So what's your record on future predictions?

Tasdik wrote:

Why not support a candidate who has a shot at actually winning?

It's about what he stands for and his message of freedom, liberty and prosperity.

Fat_Smurf wrote:

Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
lol wtf?

This came from a religious debate from what I can gather.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2007 ... n_Paul.htm

Quote:

On Education: Present scientific facts that support creationism
Q: Academic freedom is threatened when questioning the theory of evolution. An Iowa State astronomer was denied tenure because of his work in intelligent design in May 2007. Censoring alternative theories--dogmatic indoctrination--has replaced scientific inquiry. Will you encourage a more open approach to the presentation of scientific facts that contradict the theory of evolution?

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

Nuklear wrote:

That's a good boy Jack.
Basically, if you don't agree with what he has done then you don't agree with the Constitution.

That is a completely incorrect and illogical statement :roll:

Silver0 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:44 pm

Nuklear wrote:

That's a good boy Jack.
Basically, if you don't agree with what he has done then you don't agree with the Constitution. Don't worry, you can always amend it, or make a law that backdoors it.

If you want to be technical some site actually went through his whole voting record, checked it with the Constitution, and it turns out he's not 100%. They cited 3-4 things that could be considered Unconstitutional.

are you blind this country doesnt follow the constitution if they did it be tripled in corruption so many loopholes in the constitution i mean it was Farking written by slave owners ......this country was saved by FDR and his socialist ideas then crushed by the republican party being so religious and conservative and mis using the small socialism we implemented for facist, ideas other then what FDR intended ,to help us as a country grow if we dwell on writings of hypocritical people, this country is doomed thomas jefferson said there is no free country if there isnt a revolution every 20 years now make your math and look at what we do every 20 years, we do the exact opposite...

what he wants is a supreme law, rid of the CIA at a different point of view it makes sense but in realistic matters its just another step for a fascist society and the constituion will be his mein kauf..its BS freedom my ass, he wants no SS benefits no nothing, a pure constitutional Capitalist society..good luck being screwed by companies

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

Silver0 wrote:

Nuklear wrote:

That's a good boy Jack.
Basically, if you don't agree with what he has done then you don't agree with the Constitution. Don't worry, you can always amend it, or make a law that backdoors it.

If you want to be technical some site actually went through his whole voting record, checked it with the Constitution, and it turns out he's not 100%. They cited 3-4 things that could be considered Unconstitutional.

are you blind this country doesnt follow the constitution if they did it be tripled in corruption so many loopholes in the constitution i mean it was Farking written by slave owners ......this country was saved by FDR and his socialist ideas then crushed by the republican party being so religious and conservative and mis using the small socialism we implemented for facist, ideas other then what FDR intended ,to help us as a country grow if we dwell on writings of hypocritical people, this country is doomed thomas jefferson said there is no free country if there isnt a revolution every 20 years now make your math and look at what we do every 20 years, we do the exact opposite...

what he wants is a supreme law, rid of the CIA at a different point of view it makes sense but in realistic matters its just another step for a fascist society and the constituion will be his mein kauf..its BS freedom my ass, he wants no SS benefits no nothing, a pure constitutional Capitalist society..good luck being screwed by companies

I don't often agree with you silver

but I do agree with some of the stuff you say here.

fact is, Paul is a religious guy who wants to provide preferential treatment to religious organizations, is anti-environment and thinks taxes are a bad idea. What I LOVE about libertarians and people who oppose taxes is that they see it as big government stealing from them, when in fact, those taxes go to providing for so much infrastructure and services. Do you like having a fire department? do you like having paved roads? do you want a good education system, including college/universities? These people always say "the private, free market will balance things out and run things most efficiently" however, it has been shown time and time again that the "market" cannot and does not have social responsibility. without government intervention, monopolies and oligopolies form, prices can be manipulated to the benefit of corporations, workers are mistreated and abused, both physically and economically, etc etc. Anyways, Paul would make a terrible president. I don't think many others will do a good job either. O'bama would be best out of these front runners, although I like Mike Gravel the most

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

I just have to completely disagree with you today Jack (Didn't read silver or your responses.)
We just have different views and that's that. It's sad to me people are still bringing down what was so great about this country and why it was founded. Oh well, I can't force you to move after all.

Silver0 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:12 pm

Nuklear wrote:

I just have to completely disagree with you today Jack (Didn't read silver or your responses.)
We just have different views and that's that. It's sad to me people are still bringing down what was so great about this country and why it was founded. Oh well, I can't force you to move after all.

well who cares ron isnt even going to be a candidate so doesnt even matter seems the supporters still check someone else off

JacksColon · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2018 **Location:**

Nuklear wrote:

I just have to completely disagree with you today Jack (Didn't read silver or your responses.)
We just have different views and that's that. It's sad to me people are still bringing down what was so great about this country and why it was founded. Oh well, I can't force you to move after all.

Agree to disagree is fine, but think that this country was founded on MANY things (slaves ie black people being 3/5s of a person? women the property of men? women not allowed to vote? remember those parts?) So, I think you can pick and choose what you want, but I think Ron Paul stands for too many things that are completely illogical, impractical and downright scary. :wink:

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Freedom does sound scary when you look at it now. You'd be giving up a lot of your comforts nanny govt has given us. Some people like silver just can't cope with that kind of crazy talk.
The founders were unfortunately not perfect. Humans aren't. They were pretty damn close though. Also, the parts they screwed up had mostly to do with religious prejudices and common bigotry at the time.
Atheists ftw.

Stallowned · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:55 pm

Isn't the constituion bascially made to be changed? That's the beauty of it.
Do you seriously think a modern country should be run in the same way as a fledging colony in the 18th century?

People like that are just laughable.

dom · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:57 pm

If Ron Paul wins I will videotape myself doing a crossdress striptease and post it on youtube for all of you to see.

Nuklear · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 3272 **Location:**

Stallowned wrote:

Isn't the constituion bascially made to be changed? That's the beauty of it.
Do you seriously think a modern country should be run in the same way as a fledging colony in the 18th century?

People like that are just laughable.

The concept of freedom was a crazy idea when the founders brought it up. I guess it's still crazy now to some people.
That's laughable.
Stall-got-owned.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:02 pm

dom wrote:

If Ron Paul wins I will videotape myself doing a crossdress striptease and post it on youtube for all of you to see.

Sharp324 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4383 **Location:**

Doesnt matter, all are show horses of Congress. Family Planning cut kinda sucks though

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

Are you trying to make Ron Paul look bad or are you supporting him because I see nothing wrong with him and those votes you posted... Actually looks a lot better compared to the other candidates.

Zypher · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 8705 **Location:** Canada

just wanted to update what Nuk posted cause i didnt like seeing his face without a red x.

Why so serious, srf?

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

omg get out of south korea? No no no no that can't happen until we kill kim jong-il and secure our borders against China. Cause if america gets out of south korea, north korea will nuke south korea and turn Seoul into a firestorm, and we would be f*cked

Dark Shifty · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1322 **Location:**

darkmaster21 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2156 **Location:**

Nuklear, I must ask, are you Ron Paul? lol

Stallowned · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:51 am

dom wrote:

If Ron Paul wins I will videotape myself doing a crossdress striptease and post it on youtube for all of you to see.

DOn't think that's a good incentive. Probably actually lost a couple potential supporters.

Pilot · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 670 **Location:** Above you

darkmaster21 wrote:

Nuklear, I must ask, are you Ron Paul? lol

He's Ron Paul's son. Ron promised he would raise his allowance if he got elected.

darkmaster21 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2156 **Location:**

Pilot wrote:

darkmaster21 wrote:

Nuklear, I must ask, are you Ron Paul? lol

He's Ron Paul's son. Ron promised he would raise his allowance if he got elected.

Haha

Silver0 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:00 am

ROFL LMFAO freedom get over yourself when you lived in a 3rd world country come talk to be about freedom,
and if you open your eyes you see hes selling bullshit
like a commercial using words that mean a different thing to each individual

Name one thing that he will do that will make us as a country more free
he legalizing drugs? Personal freedom
he giving out federal scholarships?Freedom to choose a career without having to worry about your financial status in society

or a amnesty ??Freedom for the immigrants who cant drive,cant go to college,cant buy a house,cant buy a car,cant get a decent job..the freedom of not having your taxes and non calamined tax return take care of joey the welfare crack addicted neighbor, since 80% of the things there taxes pay for cant even be benefit
he letting gay marriage be legal in all states? the freedom to marry anyone\

He giving national health care? be treated = in the medical facilities

No hes not if anything he is against all these things

the only freedom i see him promising is the freedom to do what he wants and he feels is freedom...which is his own personal agenda

so freedom to the people i think not

dom · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:18 am

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vyA6KL444VM

From november, but funny@ron paul none the less.

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