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CrimsonNuker
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Post subject: Chemistry Help!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:27 am |
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I have this big assed test JUST on balancing chemical equations, and i need HALP!
We got this revview with a bunch of balancing questions and im looking at the bigger ones with like 5-6 elements with a few polyatomic ions in it thinking "....wtf"
My friend and I were attempting to do the bigger questions since they were harder and we came across a friggan equation like this:
__(NH4)3PO4 + __Pb(NO3)4 -> __Pb3(PO4)4 + __NH4NO3
We spent nearly the whole class trying to answer that question (We were using the table chart way because thats the only way we've learnt so far)
Can anybody give me tips or tricks to do balancing equations faster?  Done I have a chemistry unit test tomorrow and im cramming atm. Before i ask this question..I WAS NEVER GOOD AT SCIENCE. Kay..so im doing review questions and theres this question that says Quote: Element Q is a metal with 2 valence electons, and element X is a non metal with 5 valence electrons. They combine to form an ionic compound. What is its formula? The answer i came up with is Element Q= Nitrogen (Cation) Element X= Beryllium (Anion) But this makes no sense, i've never heard of a compound made of nitrogen+beryllium...HALP. 
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:31 am |
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4...3... --> 1...12...
just keep trying, nothin to it
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CrimsonNuker
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:33 am |
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TOloseGT wrote: 4...3... --> 1...12...
just keep trying, nothin to it  How did you get that so fast? Did you just keep doing guess and check?
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:37 am |
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Ugh I used to know how to do this.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:38 am |
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yea, just keep trying to balance them out. it's all trial and error.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:46 am |
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im good at chemical (±)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine = fun 
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CrimsonNuker
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:49 am |
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Fat_Smurf wrote: im good at chemical ( ±)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine = fun  Wth does that mean? Teach meeeeeeee
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:49 am |
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CrimsonNuker wrote: Fat_Smurf wrote: im good at chemical ( ±)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine = fun  Wth does that mean? Teach meeeeeeee no idea... but its soooooooooooo gooooooooooooooooooooood 
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:22 am |
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__(NH4)3PO4 + __Pb(NO3)4 -> __Pb3(PO4)4 + __NH4NO3 From what i learned in chemistry class, when balancing equations: Balance the metals first (in this case, Pb) Next, balance polyatomic ions (NH4,PO4,NO3) make any adjustments to metals if necessary Then balance non-metals (none in this case), make adjustments And finally, hydrogen and oxygen (also none), make adjustments So, following these rules, the first step looks like this: __(NH4)3PO4 + 3Pb(NO3)4 -> __Pb3(PO4)4 + __NH4NO3 Then you go for the polyatomic ions __(NH4)3PO4 + 3Pb(NO3)4 -> __Pb3(PO4)4 + 12NH4NO3 4(NH4)3PO4 + 3Pb(NO3)4 -> __Pb3(PO4)4 + 12NH4NO3 and finally, fill in the last blank with a one, since the equation is balanced 4(NH4)3PO4 + 3Pb(NO3)4 -> 1Pb3(PO4)4 + 12NH4NO3 Fat_Smurf wrote: im good at chemical (±)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine = fun  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernallagra wtf O_o
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:48 am |
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chemical equations. I love them.They are so easy
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:49 am |
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ChaosEmblem wrote: Fat_Smurf wrote: im good at chemical (±)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine = fun  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernallagra wtf O_o mdma 
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:02 am |
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crazyskwrls wrote: [1R-(exo,exo)] -3-(benzoyloxy)-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1]octane-2-carboxylic acid methyl ester
and this is real, pretty sure everyone know what it is on this forum even used it...
Isn't that vinegar? :S
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:56 am |
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If in doubt. Say cocaine.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:07 am |
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StealMySoda wrote: If in doubt. Say cocaine. 1R-(exo,exo)] -3-(benzoyloxy)-8- methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1]oct ane-2-carboxylic acid methyl ester Chaos could you give me an example where you would have to make adjustments?
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:16 am |
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crazyskwrls wrote: ?!!!!!!!!!! was that a complete random guess or did u search frantically on google? I guessed it was cocain after reading it a few times then reading SMS' post lul
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:45 am |
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CrimsonNuker wrote: StealMySoda wrote: If in doubt. Say cocaine. 1R-(exo,exo)] -3-(benzoyloxy)-8- methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1]oct ane-2-carboxylic acid methyl ester Chaos could you give me an example where you would have to make adjustments? The example I'm giving you isn't the best one. I'll go dig up my notes, and if I happen to find a better one, I'll post it then. Consider CaCl2 + AgNO3 --> AgCl + Ca(NO3)2 first balance the metals Ca and Ag: 1CaCl2 + AgNO3 --> 1AgCl + 1Ca(NO3)2 Next, we move onto polyatomic ion NO3: 1CaCl2 + 2AgNO3 --> 1AgCl + 1Ca(NO3)2 Since we've added a two in front of AgNO3, we have to go back and change the balancing of Ag: 1CaCl2 + 2AgNO3 --> 2AgCl + 1Ca(NO3)2 the non-metal, Cl, is already balanced. there are no hydrogen or oxygen. so therefore, 1CaCl2 + 2AgNO3 --> 2AgCl + 1Ca(NO3)2 In the second step, where we balance out the polyatomic ion NO3, we made an adjustment to Ag, which was step one. So, we had to go back and readjust Ag.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:19 am |
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Oxidation/reduction balancing is the most difficult thing to do if you need to balance. (It's still easy as hell)
Your solution was a simple one.
You could even try doing it like this.
3x + y + z + 4t = 3z + 4y + x + t
Now it's math instead of chem. Just find the solution for this equation with the lowest possible whole number (it should have a name, but I forgot), because there are infinity solutions.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:25 am |
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its not that balancing thats the problem its the rest of the stoichiometry thats a pain in the arse.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:29 am |
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Hershey wrote: ahh Chemistry was my favorite thing  my fav chapter was umm the one with the diff laws like the combined law, boyle's law, charles's law and umm the one that was something like PV=nRT,  good times Isn't that Physics? 
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:47 am |
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trein91 wrote: Hershey wrote: ahh Chemistry was my favorite thing  my fav chapter was umm the one with the diff laws like the combined law, boyle's law, charles's law and umm the one that was something like PV=nRT,  good times Isn't that Physics?  its a large part of chemistry... Basically the 3 big sciences go like this Physics->Chemistry->Biology Physics doesn't incorporate Biology and is the bases of the laws needs for Chemistry. Chemistry requires knowledge of physics and is the basis of laws for Biology. Biology doesn't need physics but requires knowledge of Chemistry.
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:38 pm |
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XemnasXD wrote: trein91 wrote: Hershey wrote: ahh Chemistry was my favorite thing  my fav chapter was umm the one with the diff laws like the combined law, boyle's law, charles's law and umm the one that was something like PV=nRT,  good times Isn't that Physics?  its a large part of chemistry... Basically the 3 big sciences go like this Physics->Chemistry->Biology Physics doesn't incorporate Biology and is the bases of the laws needs for Chemistry. Chemistry requires knowledge of physics and is the basis of laws for Biology. Biology doesn't need physics but requires knowledge of Chemistry. Physics = Nucleus Chemistry = Electrons Bio = Who cares  In a nut shell, of course there are exceptions 
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:44 pm |
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used to be good @ this, dropped my chemistry class tho 
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:42 pm |
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crazyskwrls wrote: how about this...
3,7-Dihydro-3,7-dimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione; 3,7-Dimethylxanthine
everyone loves it is that chawklit?
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:45 pm |
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I usually just make a chart of the # of chemicals left and right if its gets too confusing... that was way back in high school. So glad I am done with organic chemistry, hard as hell
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Post subject: Re: Balancing Chemical Equations!!! Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:57 pm |
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Reise wrote: Ugh I used to know how to do this. Yea, I learned this last year (Sophmore) from a Dr. and I understood it then but since he was the 2nd worst teacher I ever had I forgot it all.
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