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theblindarcher · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:29 am

I need a way better internet i am currently using virision DSL alrite well it sucks ballls. I am downloading Just Cause and its like 2KB 6KB DSL my ass what do you think is the best fastest internet thin i cant live like this i am surprised i can play Silkroad

Megami · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1019

uhm it all depends where you live. if you have roadrunner/brighthouse available then i think thats the best choice. well its what i use and its perfect! also depends which speed you choose, different speeds=different $$

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:34 am

i dont think money is such a big problem right now i just wanna a good internet is wonder which one cin is usiin.... :roll:

Megami · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1019

lol oh yes, if i could get cin's internet, i would definitely pay the price.

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:37 am

lol he said i can live under his diry sink, i would totally do that for his internet i am going to kill virison DSL -.- for 2 hours i only got 6% and the file is only 2.5 Gb i am so pissedddd

StealMySoda · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 5245 **Location:**

Verizon?
Comcast FTW

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:42 am

StealMySoda wrote:

Verizon?
Comcast FTW

yea verizon, so what do u think of Comcast? I mean like the speed n stuff

StealMySoda · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 5245 **Location:**

A picture says a thousand words.

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:48 am

StealMySoda wrote:

A picture says a thousand words.

O-M-G *dead* can i live with you i will take the dirty sink....mine was not even near 15000

Panu · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 3536 **Location:** Around

im guessing thats really bad. but i can play sro fine tho, i just hate hotan.

Shynygamie · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 688 **Location:**

T1, fastest internet

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Shynygamie wrote:

T1, fastest internet

NO T3 is faster, Most corporations use it.

Heres the difference between T1, T3 and DSL:

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T1 Line Connection

A T1 Line produces a high speed Internet connection, operating at about 1.5 million bits per second. Most T1 users are small and medium sized companies whose employees use the Internet in large capacities. Many computers can be connected to a T1 network without affecting the speed or reliability of the connection. Although the T1 line would be nice for home use because of its speed and ability to send and receive large files, it is rare that people have a working T1 line in their homes because of the unnecessary amount of bandwidth and high costs.

A T1 line works digitally to transmit information over the Internet and provide a high speed connection to computers in the network. It uses 23 channels with pulse code modulation signals to provide the speedy and reliable connection to the network.

T3 Line Connection

T3 lines are incredibly fast Internet connections, operating at 45 million bits per second. Most T3 lines are used by very large companies and universities with high traffic. Many computers can be connected to the Internet at the same time without the speed being affected with a T3 line. Additionally, T3 lines support the transmission of very large files over the Internet, such as videos and large databases.

DSL Connection

DSL, also known as Digital Subscriber Line, provides a high speed Internet connection that operates through digital signals being sent over telephone lines. Even though the connection works over the phone line, it does not tie up or interfere with the phone line. The bandwidth that is available through phone lines has a much larger capacity than is typically used, therefore, a DSL line can send out digital pulses through the extra frequency that is not being used.

DSL connection speeds vary. Most companies make DSL connections available for a monthly charge at various speeds, so they can accommodate the specific Internet needs of their customers. The downstream rates usually run between 128 Kbps to 6 Mbps. The majority of upstream rates range from 128 Kbps to 512 Kbps. These speeds are representative of asymmetric DSL, where the upstream and downstream rates differ. Symmetric DSL, where the upstream and downstream rates match, is also available through some Internet service providers.

http://www.broadbandinfo.com/internet-a ... mpare.html

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

if it's a torrent (which is very likely) im not surprised with that speed (i had .5kb dl speed for 4 gb once)

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

Blurred wrote:

Shynygamie wrote:

T1, fastest internet

NO T3 is faster, Most corporations use it.

IT ain't the same sandbox as it used to be.
US-ARMY is looking to Sat-Com now.
Technically T-3 is 'faster' but a single comp or home-lan can't even suck enuf bandwidth to justify a T-1.
T-3's are 4 WAN's. What'cha'gonna'do? Fib-optc to under yer dirty house sink, silly?

Did ya thimk about dropping a connect from the "MCI Cloud"? huh? did'ja? (j/k ² u)

Check out future "Community Access" too.

Sign me 'hapyWc-cast' (node up spd is suc though)
-am on the Left-coast but above the "King" net clog

~Grandpa

ShizKnight · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 3104 **Location:** _______

X-Lax wrote:

if it's a torrent (which is very likely) im not surprised with that speed (i had .5kb dl speed for 4 gb once)

Probably didn't open ports, or seed count too low.

Comcast is fine for DD, torrents may leave you wanting.

ghostkilla43 · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1991 **Location:**

dom · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:48 am

ShizKnight wrote:

X-Lax wrote:

if it's a torrent (which is very likely) im not surprised with that speed (i had .5kb dl speed for 4 gb once)

Probably didn't open ports, or seed count too low.

Comcast is fine for DD, torrents may leave you wanting.

Most likely throttling.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

dom wrote:

ShizKnight wrote:

X-Lax wrote:

if it's a torrent (which is very likely) im not surprised with that speed (i had .5kb dl speed for 4 gb once)

Probably didn't open ports, or seed count too low.

Comcast is fine for DD, torrents may leave you wanting.

Most likely throttling.

I don't use any peer-2-peer protocols like bitTorrent clients, think they'd help maybe?

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

Grandpa wrote:

I don't use any peer-2-peer protocols like bitTorrent clients, think they'd help maybe?

it could, it really depends on factors, but it is usually easier to find things through torrents. use utorrent if you do get one, and if you need help setting it up i can help.

pr0klobster · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 1427 **Location:**

Huh? a home PC can't suck enough bandwidth for a T1?

T1 - 1.5 mb/s
Comcast cable 6/8mb/s (sure, upload is slower, and that's 1.5 mb/s...a T1)

At my job, we use OC-3's and OC-12's for Internet access.

For that matter the building I work is is wired for gigabit ethernet. Real-time financial data like Bloomberg, Reuters or Factset Marquee REALLY uses bandwidth.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

currently I have 10 MB/S connection, cant wait till my city finishes the fiber optic internet their putting in and are offering 100 MB/S for the same price, but really , what does anyone need a 100MB/s connection for? the only way I have ever come close to using the full spead of my internet is on a peer to peer connection downloading movies or songs, it allows me to download a heavily used song in 1 second.

Alterran · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:24 pm

^_^

blows everyones out of the water

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Alterran wrote:

^_^

blows everyones out of the water

not really, according to that its 60mbs our cities standard internet for cable is your choice of 5mbs or 10 mbs and there is a $10 per month differnce between them. and upgrading service to 100mbs fiber optic for the same price, just a new added feature, plus you are reading a Universities BW not your own and if they are at that speed they just have got on fiber optic already.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

pr0klobster wrote:

Huh? a home PC can't suck enough bandwidth for a T1?

T1 - 1.5 mb/s
Comcast cable 6/8mb/s (sure, upload is slower, and that's 1.5 mb/s...a T1)

At my job, we use OC-3's and OC-12's for Internet access.

For that matter the building I work is is wired for gigabit ethernet. Real-time financial data like Bloomberg, Reuters or Factset Marquee REALLY uses bandwidth.

Thx pr0klobster, you're right. I said "suck bandwidth" didn't I? I should have said, "can't use enough bandwith" (to justify it).

T1's comprise symmetrical (bi-directional) DIGITAL signals carried over four wires (one pair for transmit the other for receive) split into 24 channels and can service 200+ computers or so (with other services). Even though most teleco companies allow customers lease fractional T1 access T1's aren't the way to go.

The thruput of a single compy won't justify a dedicated T1. The 400 man IT team that I was a part of did it only once in the twelve years I worked there and that was for the CEO's penthouse. Even that wasn't justified because his UPLOAD speed and the upload speed of ANY single compy doesn't use it (the bandwidth of a full T1). They can't. Multiplexers and CSU/DSU units are used for digital transmissions. Modems are used for cable.

ALSO Telco charges for T1 include:
Installation/Setup: $500 or more, depending on distance from backbone to end user
Monthly service: $700-$1500 (for full T-1).

T1 speed = 1.544 Mb/s (of which you get 1.536 Mb/s because of digital overhead).
Cable speed = Up to 6 Mb/s (not including enhanced 'burst' rates).
- That is a couple years ago and DOWNLOAD ONLY guaranteed speed. Mine is 20 Mb/s.
  But.... That isn't true either. Comcast uses 'enhanced burst rate' algorithms that work great when I'm testing DL Speeds (for a second or two) but it really, really doesn't help when I'm laggin in SRO or WOW for instance.
  In other words, my DL speed ≠ CSU ÷ 3, even though mine is "called" 20mbs.
Cable, DSL, dial-up are all analog using specific frequencies to encode the bits.
- As a result of Congressional Legislation they (analog broadcasters) will all go digital for TV before the end of the decade. Switching signals: TV about to go digital
Asymmetrical transmissions (like cable) are used because most people do more downloading than uploading.

Bandwidth ≠ DL Speed neither does the size of the cable/wire. It's the encoding. Cable companies are focused on broadcasting.

BTW I wouldn't suggest IEEE802.3 for node < 10 lan either.

On Legislated changes to broadcasters by Feb 17, 2009 Duke University professor Stuart Benjamin said:

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BENJAMIN: The analog space -- owned by the federal government and leased to TV stations through license fees -- is considered the "beachfront property" of the spectrum worth several billion dollars.

~Grandpa

DISCLAIMER:
Saying stuff like this is difficult because of the speed of change in the IT and Telecom industries. An old saying was, "Faster /// Smaller /// Cheaper. Pick any 2 and watch them double within the space of a year", but that's probably outdated too by now.

[EDIT]Just read an article that said the reason upload speeds are 10 to 20 times slower is that cable companies want to prevent low cost subscribers from hosting high traffic web-servers. It also said that's why they routinely change IP ADDY's too, but I know better (maybe).

Dynamic IP Addresses allow more clients than Static because it forms a pool to draw from. Still, I'm pretty sure that's part of the equation. I'm guessing that subscription rates are going up (especially after gov subsidies expire) but I'm just guessing there. I'm also guessing that the cell phone industry will snatch up the 'newly available' portions of the spectrum (after Feb 2009) to be able to make cell phone video conferencing and vid transmission better.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

I guess my service provider upgraded

Residential Broadband Internet (Cable, Wireless or DSL) *

12 Meg x 768 KB $59.95/month $48 one-time installation *

4 Meg x 512 KB $49.95/month $48 one-time installation *

1.5 Meg x 384 KB $39.95/month $48 one-time installation *

768 KB x 256 KB $29.95/month $48 one-time installation *

256 KB x 256 KB $19.95/month $48 one-time installation *

pr0klobster · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 1427 **Location:**

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Thx pr0klobster, you're right. I said "suck bandwidth" didn't I? I should have said, "can't use enough bandwith" (to justify it).

T1's comprise symmetrical (bi-directional) DIGITAL signals carried over four wires (one pair for transmit the other for receive) split into 24 channels and can service 200+ computers or so (with other services). Even though most teleco companies allow customers lease fractional T1 access T1's aren't the way to go.

Yes, sorry, you're not the typical person on these forums, and I misinterpreted what you were saying. Nope, a home PC couldn't use a T1. Definitely can use faster download speeds, though, and even then it's still bursty.

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ALSO Telco charges for T1 include:
Installation/Setup: $500 or more, depending on distance from backbone to end user
Monthly service: $700-$1500 (for full T-1).

I think I should move to wherever you are. It's not that cheap here...maybe because most times they have to lay fiber. They had to run another line because the first one was too full. We just finished putting in a dedicated T1 for Bloomberg.

Wife has fractional T1 for her work - only about ~30 employees, but then there's the webserver, Firebox, etc and her boss is cheap.

...er, never mind. Probably shouldn't say more.

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* T1 speed = 1.544 Mb/s (of which you get 1.536 Mb/s because of digital overhead).
* Cable speed = Up to 6 Mb/s (not including enhanced 'burst' rates).
o That is a couple years ago and DOWNLOAD ONLY guaranteed speed. Mine is 20 Mb/s.
* Cable, DSL, dial-up are all analog using specific frequencies to encode the bits.
o As a result of Congressional Legislation they (analog broadcasters) will all go digital for TV before the end of the decade. Switching signals: TV about to go digital
* Asymmetrical transmissions (like cable) are used because most people do more downloading than uploading.

Yeah, I can't get the nice high-speed. I should look into FIOS one of these days for grins.

I knew I liked you, all that and Christian too.

Grandpa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

First thing I did when I went for any CAT-5 install at a branch was go to the hub and plug my laptop directly. So I was the only user and even where we used fiber my computer speed (and hard drive speed) became the bottle neck. Theoretically it should have been tons faster. Oh well...

We're gonna have to upgrade stuff more and more... it's an endless cycle.
( :oops:

prices quoted were 'off the top of my head' and more stale than accurate).
Prices of T1 lines are distance dependent though from HO (Telco Home Office) to point of demarcation because they (the signals) degrade. I thought about moving once to get a faster speed rate, but that was back in the modem speed 9600 baudrate days.

FIOS? FibOpt Service. Verison for TV... got'cha. I've heard 5 to 50 Mbps downstream and 2 to 5 Mbps upstream. Not sure though. They need specific standards for communicating real time throughput right away. It's the only model that makes sense - the time it takes between a "fetch request" and when the user gets it. So much is based on how many are using it because of Ethernet collisions. Kids get home from school and throughput goes down.

But the real-time model that I speak of (above) would require hardware /// software /// firmware changes to the NOS and NIC (Network Operating Systems & Network Interface Cards). That takes way long to do and implement.

Go up high enuf on the IP (Internet Provider) food-chain and you'll hear discussion about 'access control, 'RSVP' (reservation), and "preemption priority" protocols' as well as 'willingness-to-pay' models where packet transmissions include credentials to exceed by 10% and such things. MCI-Cloud engineers can really mix up some good geek/econ speak. RSVP provides the needed transport service of carrying access control state (POLICY_DATA objects), hop-by-hop. More info (not geek speak) found in thread about British broadcasters found here: > Post Subject: Virgin to kill the Internet <

I used to 'listen in' but it was the VP and higher types that participated. The Insurance company I worked for went bankrupt and the IT department (Philadelphia based) was sold. They considered us an 'asset' to be traded - so we parted company. I was the last man standing.

Another factor - Hardware and Microsoft Ultimatums:
PC DOWNGRADES ARE COMING

~Grandpa

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