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Of course as we all should know. The Olympics are mere months away, and the Olympic flame is currently being run around the world before arriving in China. Currently, it is in London.

Also, as you know China and Tibet are having all their Human Rights problems.

However, what i can't understand is what the **** is going through the mind of all those people who are trying to snuff the Olympic flame. I mean, sure go ahead and protest the TIBET issue, get your voice heard, but what Farking right do you have to snuff the Olympic flame? How on earth could anyone ever think that the Olympic flame is a "Symbolic Weapon against Human Rights"

Seriously, it pisses me off big time that people would want to turn off the Olympic flame, and they are trying hard.

So what do you guys think?

People are retarded for trying to snuff out the flame, or that the Olympic torch is indeed a "Symbolic weapon against Human Rights"

I think people should stop counting on the athletes to do something about the shit going on in China. All the governments request the athletes to boycott the games/ceremonies while they make business with China and help them develop.

But I think it would be fun to turn off the flame, its silly anyways. The Olympic Games are for sports not a bunch of stupid ceremonies etc.

Olympics all about politics, it makes me gag. srsly.

It is about sport, but i still think that the Olympic flame run is quite cool, and is a sure sign of International Unity. Which is good.

But people that protest in that manner, is messed up honestly.

I've been invited to the Ceremony when the Flame comes here to Jakarta, Indonesia. In April 22nd i believe. I mean, we will see what happens. Hopefully, it wont be something crazy like this, but there is a Huge Chinese or Chinese Indonesian population here.

Still it shouldn't be about the Politics, i mean do you think it would be like this if the Games weren't awarded to China? No.

It is the protesters which are putting the Politics and problems here.

Ah, i actually like when i see an olympic event being "stuffed" by tibetans (is it tibetans?).
China has been a total ass and they always try to mute the poor monks.
I've been in shanghai a couple of times, and the last time i was there, lots of police officers were asking me what was the purpose of my visit, i said i was a tourist and i just wanted to enjoy my weeks off work.
However, their questions were very annoying, and they pretty much said that if i wanted to go to Nepal and meet the people from Tibet i would have "serious consequences" from the chinese government (regimen if you ask me).
Being there is just "perfect", they hide the issue pretty well. Talking about Tibet and monks is against the law.
But now that all the world media is placed on china because of the torch and the incoming olympics, the people from tibet see a reason/chance to let the world KNOW that they're being oppressed by their own goverment, tortured and even killed by their own people, that's just not right, and the world needs to know that. I agree with you K, it shudnt be that way, since sports are clean and it's a beautiful show (even more if it's olympics) but this is a golden chance since they media attention is on China, and China just wants to show an hypocrite side of them, they want to use the Olympics to show how China has become a major world power – and are desperate to avoid any exposure of the ugly realities of China’s growth.




I would riot if i were one of them, even more if....




Intolerance, China knows that meaning pretty well.

Click meh!

Those olympics are a joke. It's written in olympic chart that athlets cant wear anything relative to propaganda (as some want/will do). Why are the olympics happening in China then...

They're all gonna die when they get in those smog filled chinese assed cities..

And what brings you to this false premise?

now you are all hatein on the chinese

Chinese people don't realise. They got brainwashed, they born and we tell them "tibet people are th ebad ones, u must believe us" and what u do when u're a kid , u listen... Real people to blame is the governement, but this situation lasts for 49 years or so now and we waited for olympics to happen there to talk a bit about it...

Money, money, money

good thing i got outta there before i was brought up on all that propaganda shit. i can't imagine how ignorant i would be if i grew up there.

I cannot do anything else but agree.
Today people in Paris tried to put the flame out. Demn retards.

Free Quebec!!!

..i mean

FREE TIBET!!!

Those who their mouths are filled with "respect the olympic's spirit".
I would say that in that same spirit it's also included the values of that society which the olympics game are based, Greece, the first democracy of history. Now the joke of country where this new event is going to be celebreated has nothing to do with the values that were promulgated in the old Greece. There's no democracy, nor freedom or creed of expression. This is not political, these are human rights.




i'm glad that happened in Paris.


lol

I hate it when i get these discussions in class because im usually the only asian in the class other than like 1-2 >_> then i feel all wierd and shit because they get the impression that my country is bad..

Yea I was in New York the other day, and I was watching CNN at my hotel and I saw it and I seriously burned my tongue with coffee trying not to laugh out. I was like the Olympics have absolutely nothing to do with the China and Tibet issues. Instead of protesting the Olympics why don't the governments simply take it to United Nations. This is some seriously stupid shit.

The reason they are trying to put out the flame is pretty obvious. They are just trying to get the worlds attention on their issue with the chinese government. Not saying its a good thing to do to put out the flame, but if i was in their position I'd do the same. I wouldn't care at all about the Olympic flame when people of my same ethnicity are being tortured and executed. They're just desperate and seeking help, and putting out the flame a way to ask for it. On the other hand, what KeyJ said its true also.

+1


Never feel bad talking about your origins, I know how you feel, I used to feel like that when I was in Primary school.


That you've never lived in, visited, in fact know little about, yet you feel the need to comment on. Btw the comment was really funny , really, I mean it .


You have no understanding of what China is like if you think China is going to put up propaganda, sure the charts say no relation to propaganda, but it does not say you can't be proud of your country. There's a different between propaganda and national pride.


Its these kind of comments that really make me sad to here, a Chinese person moved out/born overseas, they think they are all high and mighty because they live in Western society.

Its funny how many of you speak as if you have completely unbiased views, despite the fact most of you've never been to China. Don't understand the history, the events behind Tibet and China But you form your opinions almost purely from you hear from CNN etc yet to you it is the Chinese that are biased.

no wai, i love china. going back this summer for internship =]

Against the law to talk about Tibet, Tibet is the hot topic all over China right now.
In their own country, and all that shit you quoted, where is it from? I'd really like to read that.
Intolerance? There are 55 different minorities in China, all treated with equal respect. In fact there are laws set up to give these minorities advantages, they can go into university with a lot lower marks than the Han, and the fees will be subsidised.
From your stories, I would suspect that you've been to China 10+ years ago, if at all.

If you hate China so much (obviously you do), here's some ideas how you can show it, go and join the 'peaceful' protesters (show the world), don't buy Chinese products (obviously you shouldn't support the 'regimen of tyranny', you should also tell the Olympic committee that you won't watch it unless Beijing sorts out its problems, don't go to China again (its so crowded and bad after all), don't read anything related to Chinese because its all filled with propaganda and censorship.
This way you can really make a difference, and change things around for the incompetent Chinese government is so inhumane and useless, they've only kept the majority of 1.6 billion people fed and sheltered, and they've so inhumanely created employment in Tibet for the unemployed, offered Tibetans chance into best universities in China, and unjustly bring regular supplies of food from other parts of China to Tibet.

last time was last november (2007). And yeah, a lot of police men asked me a lot of questions. Questions that they shud ask to a man/woman under ilegal activities or something. They almost take me to i dont know where, when i said that "i wasnt even interested in their politics" and that i just wanted to have some fun. Another european citizen would have called to his/her embassy and started some fun shit there, which i didnt cuz i just wanted to get high and get drunk.

And hell no, dont say i hate china! lol
I actually loved it there, and i talked to this journalist who pretty much hate chinese people and china itself, and he gave me his reasons why he hated it (he brought this tibet thing up). I respected that, but of course i didnt buy that impression, i like to feel both sides of the river (if you know what i mean), and there's not better way to know a country than walking it, and feeling it by yourself, which i did with my friend (of course we didnt get to know it all) and at the end we didnt want to leave China. I freaking loved it.

Now of course they have their issues, like any other country. I always say the first step to work/solve on a problem, is to recognize it first. As more as you hide it, as bigger it will get, and by the attitude from the chinese governemnt, it's like it's all good, nothing's wrong; and it's not.

I'm really glad you posted here, asumming you're chinese. But dont get the wrong idea, i've never said China is a bad country. I'm saying they've to solve that issue (and i dont know what others, if they have any other) if they want to show themselves as a proud country while they carry the olympic flame all over the world.

- 500 points.

but.... but...

Dude. 350 people in my highschool, grade 7 to 12, french catholic. Imagine everytime they would talk about anyone who wasn't blonde/blue eyed/white skinned. I was the only Asian the year I graduated, there was 1 family of black war refugees, everyone else looked like they came out of the Nazi Boyscouts.

Sorry for all the rant, I hadn't planned on post again but I couldn't resist on posting here.



There are many policies of the Chinese government that I and other Chinese disagree with, but that's beside the point, be it the central government or any other Chinese, we hope for our own homeland to be the best.
It is agreed that China is changing, and fast. Before the current President, we had a corrupt useless old man who wouldn't do anything, meet anyone, before that we had a first generation communist who had acknowledge that communism isn't working, and before that we had Mao.

I understand and agree on that the first way to solve a problem is to recognise and face it. In the case of Tibet, China does recognise that there is a lot of people asking for independence, but Tibet is a large part of China, and there is no way China is going to let it go. Tibet is to China as it is Corsica to France, it's Canada's Quebec, it's Russia's Chechnya.
Chinese people bled for it, my grand father himself fought Indians over Tibet. After decades of hardship China is not going to let go of an inch more of her soil. Dalai Lama knows that, Tibetans knows that, its not going to change either,I understand Dalai Lama wants independence. If anything, I have nothing but admiration for the current Dalai Lama, who so firmly believes in what he believes right, had it been a different person Tibet would be a different story.
But using the Olympic as an opportunity for protest is disgusting, for 4 years China had moved workers into Beijing, spent a fortune to give the city a make over so the world will see us not as a poor, impoverished country, but a new, unified, proud country. For 4 years China had people planting trees, flowers, grass so that people will not think we are polluted and dirty. For 4 years young men had worked and bled 12 hour shifts 7 days a week living on the construction site to build new buildings, and everyone of them will be damn proud to say to their friends with swelling hearts of pride that they work for the glory and dignity of China.
Be it the government, anarchists, socialists, democrats, men, women, homesexuals, wealthy, paupers, farmers, merchants, over seas Chinese, mainland Chinese, if they are Chinese and proud to be Chinese, they want the Olympics to happen smoothly for China, really it doesn't hurt the rest of the world one bit to go, but it really will make the past 4 years of hard work something and to be frank;
'We've bled damn enough to deserve it.'

Oh?
*Gets super soaker*

Nicely said XuChu.

O, and those here who live in SanFran, since it is coming your way next, let us know how it goes, if you can snap some pictures.

But please, don't try to snuff it out and get ur ass arrested.

It's an hour away from me. When will this be? @_@

i just watched this

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Unfortunately, YouTube has been banned in Indonesia for the time being, so i can't see any of the videos that you are posting.

However, to answer the question The run should be tomorrow (Wednesday)