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Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Bailout proposal failed in "phase one." Everyone (even if you're below voting age) call your senators and convince them to vote against the bailout. The Senate votes on Wednesday. If you're incapable of arguing against the bailout here are some basic arguments you can raise. For those of you unfamiliar with Austrian economics, or if you favor Keynes' flawed theory you can educate yourself here. If you don't know your senator's contact information it can be found here. Our voice stopped it from being passed in the House; let's make sure the senate doesn't screw the American people over.

Liberty&Justice for all.

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

dom · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:56 pm

ThiefzV2 wrote:

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

I thought one of the fundamental concepts of economics is that it will regulate and repair itself over time; interference with the economy only leads to artificial and short-run effects?

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

dom wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

I thought one of the fundamental concepts of economics is that it will regulate and repair itself over time; interference with the economy only leads to artificial and short-run effects?

it will of course autorepair itself, but it's a matter of when? 30 years of depression and then World War III to bring us out of a depression. besides the United States has unlimited money :love:

if they run out they can always tax and borrow more from China. the us gov can never be bankrupt

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

A very similar thing happened in the presidency of Grant.

Offtopic: holy shiz, all this time i thought dom's avatar was a cloaked man not a frog :shock:

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

izmeister wrote:

A very similar thing happened in the presidency of Grant.

Offtopic: holy shiz, all this time i thought dom's avatar was a cloaked man not a frog :shock:

im not seeing wut u seeing dued

dom · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:02 pm

ThiefzV2 wrote:

dom wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

I thought one of the fundamental concepts of economics is that it will regulate and repair itself over time; interference with the economy only leads to artificial and short-run effects?

it will of course autorepair itself, but it's a matter of when? 30 years of depression and then World War III to bring us out of a depression. besides the United States has unlimited money :love:

if they run out they can always tax and borrow more from China. the us gov can never be bankrupt

GAME OVER
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Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

My router* stopped working but it looks like Dom took care of thiefz.

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

how?

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

The plan is farfetched anyway:

Money doesn't appear oout of thin air and regardless of wether it is accepted or not, there will be a recession.

By accepting that, they will only delay a turn of the economic situation and recieve an even bigger payload on the mountain of debts.

This picture was adequate in many ways

ThiefzV2 wrote:

how?

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

But economy is connected to many real things, like money.

Unlike the deals of some speculants at the stockmarket....

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

ThiefzV2 wrote:

how?

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

Don't say economics. Do you mean Keynesian economics?

Quote:

By accepting that, they will only delay a turn of the economic situation and recieve an even bigger payload on the mountain of debts.

Win.

dom · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:09 pm

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

By accepting that, they will only delay a turn of the economic situation and recieve an even bigger payload on the mountain of debts.

Thiefz wrote:

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

Apparently you have down syndrome. Like Pan Raider said, the plan involves adding an extra domino to the line, delaying the business cycle. The problem I have with this, is that this one domino is costing 700,000,000,000 dollars.

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

how?

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

Don't say economics. Do you mean Keynesian economics?

Quote:

By accepting that, they will only delay a turn of the economic situation and recieve an even bigger payload on the mountain of debts.

Win.

lol economics isn't just Keynesian, Marxism, etc. :roll:

they are all theories which is wrong and outdated.

there are other school of thoughts too but what im talking about is thermoeconomics... u prolly never heard of it but its ok i forgive :love:

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

dom wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

By accepting that, they will only delay a turn of the economic situation and recieve an even bigger payload on the mountain of debts.

Thiefz wrote:

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

Apparently you have down syndrome. Like Pan Raider said, the plan involves adding an extra domino to the line, delaying the business cycle. The problem I have with this, is that this one domino is costing 700,000,000,000 dollars.

you =

= viewtopic.php?f=12&t=98925 = mods arent always right :roll:

apparently u musta drop outta school and dont understand how economics all come together. u are just looking at a very small piece. :roll:

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

ThiefzV2 wrote:

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

Dude...

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

The ****'s a bailout?

Shows how much I care about politics. I hope it all goes to hell.

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

ThiefzV2 wrote:

mods arent always right :roll:

This has nothing to do with "mods aren't always right" this has something to do with you being wrong

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Thiefz, please, enlighten us in your awesome ways. :roll:

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:31 pm

dom wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

I thought one of the fundamental concepts of economics is that it will regulate and repair itself over time; interference with the economy only leads to artificial and short-run effects?

that is one school of thought but the invisible hand isn't enough sometimes. This however is not one of those times. Im starting to think this whole thing was a conspiracy by the big 3 banks to get rid of the competition and reorganize consuming as much money as possible....its not that far-fetch when you think about it!

Excelsior!!!

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Tasdik wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

mods arent always right :roll:

This has nothing to do with "mods aren't always right" this has something to do with you being wrong

and how am i wrong? u cant prove it cuz i know im right

Barotix wrote:

Thiefz, please, enlighten us in your awesome ways. :roll:

u and doms already been enlighten... economics isnt just keynesian :roll:

... if u still believe it in then be my guess stay in ignorance forever but dont tell me that im wrong because u people are still very young and are incapable of seeing economics by taking a step back and lookin at whole picture. how old are u son?

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

ThiefzV2 wrote:

dom wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

By accepting that, they will only delay a turn of the economic situation and recieve an even bigger payload on the mountain of debts.

Thiefz wrote:

apparently u guys dont understand the domino effect of economics :roll:

Apparently you have down syndrome. Like Pan Raider said, the plan involves adding an extra domino to the line, delaying the business cycle. The problem I have with this, is that this one domino is costing 700,000,000,000 dollars.

you =

= viewtopic.php?f=12&t=98925 = mods arent always right :roll:

that topic you pointed out was about some math equations i wouldn't even write using a stick as an extension for holding the pen.

not much to do with mods being wrong or right...

apparently u musta drop outta school and dont understand how economics all come together. u are just looking at a very small piece. :roll:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

lol economics isn't just Keynesian, Marxism, etc. :roll:

they are all theories which is wrong and outdated.

ThiefzV2 wrote:

it will of course autorepair itself, but it's a matter of when? 30 years of depression and then World War III to bring us out of a depression. besides the United States has unlimited money :love:

if they run out they can always tax and borrow more from China. the us gov can never be bankrupt

°_° ENDLESS, sayeth the thermoeconomist, he lacketh sanity

there are other school of thoughts too but what im talking about is thermoeconomics... u prolly never heard of it but its ok i forgive :love:

Apparently by using rules from thermodynamics, we can make certain values endless

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Apparently by using rules from thermodynamics, we can make certain values endless

wow you younglings are so ignorant from spending too much time playing SRO...

it's like the universe... it's 13.7 billion years old... it's still constantly expanding. will it ever contract and collapse upon itself and swallow up everything? yes. it will collapse. how long will it take? a very very very very huge number that u cant even comprehend, almost infinity. everything has a beginning and an end.

but blah ignorant people is what put Bush in office for 8 years :roll:

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

ThiefzV2 wrote:

Tasdik wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

mods arent always right :roll:

This has nothing to do with "mods aren't always right" this has something to do with you being wrong

and how am i wrong? u cant prove it cuz i know im right

Barotix wrote:

Thiefz, please, enlighten us in your awesome ways. :roll:

u and doms already been enlighten... economics isnt just keynesian :roll:

... if u still believe it in then be my guess stay in ignorance forever but dont tell me that im wrong because u people are still very young and are incapable of seeing economics by taking a step back and lookin at whole picture. how old are u son?

Keynesian is just one school of many. With the way you were blabbering on about needing regulations and having unlimited cash you made yourself out to be a follower of Keynes. So I asked you which school of economics are you following.

@Xemnas, the invisible hand is always enough.

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

So I asked you which school of economics are you following.

@Xemnas, the invisible hand is always enough.

i already stated thermoeconomics... i thought it was obvious. u havent answer my question how old u are. u must be 17 or less right?

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:48 pm

so says you and the other poor poor dumb mouths :roll:

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Schools of economics? Is that like schools of magic?

Lightning bolt!

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

XemnasXD wrote:

so says you and the other poor poor dumb mouths :roll:

Dumb mouths? What school do you follow? It must be the same dumb mouths that predicted this "crisis" 5 years in advance.

@Thievez, age is irrelevant.

Quote:

Schools of economics?

Just people with differing/similar opinions. =]

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

ThiefzV2 wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Apparently by using rules from thermodynamics, we can make certain values endless

wow you younglings are so ignorant from spending too much time playing SRO...

it's like the universe... it's 13.7 billion years old... it's still constantly expanding. will it ever contract and collapse upon itself and swallow up everything? yes. it will collapse. how long will it take? a very very very very huge number that u cant even comprehend, almost infinity. everything has a beginning and an end.

but blah ignorant people is what put Bush in office for 8 years :roll:

... talking about ignorant, you are arrogant.

And i am american/german, yeah,
but i definitely wouldn't vote a person like bush, i am liberal.
come and talk about politics.. yeah right

I might be young, but there damn sure are some people who understand simple things without adding a huge equation as a tag:

NOTHING COMES FOR FREE, the US government might be up to something, but NOTHING COMES FOR free.
You just go and borrow some chinese money like you said and ask if its for free.. -_-

dynamics means many single processes feul one large one: the business situation, and the economy is always growing, but it doesn't grow the same speed the whole time,

you can influence it by subventions, goervernment paychecks or new production branches(innovations)

But influencing it doesn't stop the endless period of a cycle:

Expansion, Booooom, Recession, Depression

All these parts form the curve in the economy line, which is constantly rising.

If there is a depression (like 1929) it recedes and if there is a new innvation, it expands(90's the PC'sstarted).

There is loads more to it, I know
but simply stamping the "ignorant sign on our heads won't bring anyone further...

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

ThiefzV2 wrote:

dom wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

if there's no bailout, then it will be a great depression. basic fundamental of economics

I thought one of the fundamental concepts of economics is that it will regulate and repair itself over time; interference with the economy only leads to artificial and short-run effects?

it will of course autorepair itself, but it's a matter of when? 30 years of depression and then World War III to bring us out of a depression. besides the United States has unlimited money :love:

if they run out they can always tax and borrow more from China. the us gov can never be bankrupt

exactly, saying let fix itself is a rather ignorant comment when the truth of the matter is that it should all be regulated til some extent so that stupid people dont do stupid stuff

oh and the US can go bankrupt ...........they just have to screw up big time, which is possible thanks to our highly qualified pack but i would like to think the less retarded people will take over by that point

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

so says you and the other poor poor dumb mouths :roll:

Dumb mouths? What school do you follow? It must be the same dumb mouths that predicted this "crisis" 5 years in advance.

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