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Seriously, who cares?

There is such a thing called Free Will. Nobody can put a swear filter in your brain to stop you saying crap, so why should they be able to do it in a lousy game?

I have ALWAYS had the abuse filter disabled... Cos rules are meant to be broken.

where in my post did i say i support bots? just because i dont care that i have friends who bot or because i dont go and report everyone i see botting to joymax doesnt mean i support them. if i did i wouldnt be lvl 68 on my first char still after over a year

So you're not supporting cheaters? Cheaters don't ruin the game? So if you were playing Chess and your friend kept moving the pieces out of turn you wouldn't be agitated? You would sit there and go, "Oh he isn't ruining the game". By not doing anything you accept the actions of cheaters, through this you indirectly support them. Not caring or believeing they are not the cause of so many problems is bot support. Support is Support.



I never typed the minority opinion doesn't matter. I stated he has a minority opinion. You say he states facts, I call those facts rubbish. Pointless accusation? An Opinion is an Opinion, and my statement stands: Not Caring or turning the other cheek to Cheating is support. The rules are against "botting accusations", pointing out someone's obvious bot support is not against the rules.

Nearly Every Thread? O'rly? Wow, Trice and I must be slacking. I haven't been doing much editing, locking, and moving of threads ripe with bot accusations. Because coming up with random statements to make your argument better works, right?

Impossible to state your opinion? If your opinion reveals: 1]That you don't care if people bot (cheat), then you acknowledge being part of the problem rather than the solution.

Yes, you (plural*generic) are attacked. For good reason: This is a legit forum, if people didn't participate in those actions then they wouldn't have to worry about kids jumping down their throat. If you still think people are banned from this forum to save the game then you don't pay attention. SRF = Legit Forum. A forum for legits by legits, if you 1]bot, 2]support cheating 3]Use third party programs, 4]Use Pk2 maliciously or 5]Cheat (*This includes: Buying Gold, Buying accounts, Selling gold, and Selling accounts) then we don't want you here. Its simple, don't like the rules? Don't like the actions SRF takes? Please feel free to go to a forum more to your (plural*generic) liking.

it doesn't really improve your game experience. so its legit imo

there's only one problem...HE IS RUINING THE GAME!!!!! this on the other hand is not affecting anyone what so ever.


Bot - $9
Premium Ticket - $20
Ability Pet - $10
Watching people cry day in and day out over A GAME - priceless

seriously dude, if you wanna use a swear filter, if you wanna use a bot, hell if you wanna hack everyone on a server. Do IT, the only acceptance you need is from your friends, don't listen to a buncha random cry babies on a forum who for some reason can't see the big picture that sro has become a broken game. You know back in the day before gold bots and plvling and such yeah i bet silkroad was a pretty sweet game that alot of you loved, now its not, GET OVER IT and move on christ. Your like one of those lame guys who gets heart broken by there gf and then lives the next year of there life in a small room under a blanket on there bed moping about how u wish things were like they used to be. THATS NOT GUNNA HAPPEN, get that through your head. If you can't beat em, join em.

Get off the guys ass about a damn swear filter. He can do anything he damn well pleases whether u like it or not. Just because ur miserable with silkroad and unwilling to adapt to how the game has changed u feel its neccesary to shun anyone who duzn't want to be miserable with you. Your all pathetic


/Rant

by all means do all those things, no one's actually going to stop u, just don't expect to post on srf again.

BOTTING DOESN'T AFFECT ANYONE?! (I can type in caps too) Don't make me laugh.

I love it when people argue with a strawman. You took one sentence out of context then argued against something I never posted. L - o - fcking - L.
1]My post wasn't at/for OP, maybe if you took the time to read the thread you wouldn't have made the mistake of coming up with a perverted version of my post targeted at the wrong person. That fallacy in itself invalidates your argument.

2]How do you know how much a bot cost? Actually I don't want to know.

3]Did you actually read my post?



So cheating is fine? Hacking, so hacking doesn't ruin everyone's gaming experience? Hacking is fine? What if you get hacked? What then? You won't angry or frustrated, of course you won't; this is just a game. Games have no importance what so ever.



O'rly?
Botting is to SRO as Steroids is to Football.
Just because the rules aren't enforced well doesn't mean you shouldn't obey them. Your friends are not the GMs, your friends do not make the rules, your friend is not the referee or the coach. Your friends should be there to prevent you from making mistakes, they are not there to encourage bad behavior. If they are encouraging your misdemeanors then they're not doing their job.



^Where the hell did that even come from? That is so random, did you just feel like rambling? If your going to quote someone and argue a point at least make sure your argument relates to what they posted. We* know things won't be like they used to be but that doesn't stop us from preventing things from getting worse.



*Sigh, you're an idiot. I'm sorry but seriously that was really stupid.



Are you still arguing with that strawman? I never made a post towards OP.



1]I'm not miserable, I don't know where or how you could infer that but w/e.
2]Shun cheaters, very simple. Read my post and hush.
3]"You're all pathetic" ~ Irony. Read your post.

i know that comment you made wasn't towards OP, that rant wasn't specifically directed at you (wasn't directed at you at all actually), i just didn't wanna double post so i jus threw it all into one big one.

As for knowing how much a bot costs...(i swear that wasn't an accusation ) but i mean come on...even people who dont play sro know how much a bot costs lol, i'm sure u do too (unless u like shun anyone who has a bot so u dont have any botting friends). Not very hard to PM a friend and say "so how much is a bot any way" just out of sheer curiousity.

It's not really a strawman arguement, i just feel he's wasting time trying to get acceptance from people whose opinions really don't matter. and i'm merely saying he's wasting his time doing it. if he wants something so he shuld do it regardless of what some ppl on a forum might say. If i wanted to rob a bank i wouldn't ask people if i should or not cause i dont really care what there opinion would be on the subject matter.


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You know back in the day before gold bots and plvling and such yeah i bet silkroad was a pretty sweet game that alot of you loved, now its not, GET OVER IT and move on christ. Your like one of those lame guys who gets heart broken by there gf and then lives the next year of there life in a small room under a blanket on there bed moping about how u wish things were like they used to be. THATS NOT GUNNA HAPPEN, get that through your head


^Where the hell did that even come from? That is so random, did you just feel like rambling? If your going to quote someone and argue a point at least make sure your argument relates to what they posted. We* know things won't be like they used to be but that doesn't stop us from preventing things from getting worse.


says the guy who compared sro legitmisey to a game of chess not to long ago...*sigh* hypocrit

OH I retract my statements. ( Wasn't an accusation, one google could give you the price). I have friends that used to bot. They quit the game after someone hacked one of our Guild Members accounts and cleared the guild storage.



OH, I see what you're saying. You're typing that chess doesn't relate to SRO so I shouldn't post about it. You misunderstood my post, again.

My point wasn't to compare chess and SRO silly. It was a counter argument to 4realz' argument. He said botting (*Cheating) doesn't affect the game. Cheating has an adverse effect on all games, that is why chess was included in my post.

Barotix, dont get angry with 4realz the problem is that he play on Tibot like me.

I have never seen him inside the game but I know the leaders on his guilds and they are all botters, so if he is against botters he will be against the leaders of his own guild. After I've returned to the server I found that it were just a few legits remaining, and I keep talking with just 1 of them. I continue on a botter free guild only because Im the only active player on my guild. I know just 2 legit high level player guilds: SARMATIA guild (there you can found the only legit that I still talk with) but the problem is that they are all from Poland so I just fight with them once on a fortress war but then I leave, and ENDLESS guild that I use to like them but now they leave you dead even when they know you are legit just to get the Saytan kills (their cleric or force users don't resurrect you even if you are on the same party).


Sadly Tibot isn't Venus, on Tibot you can't find anymore a nice legit comunity.

They put a swear filter on another game I play too. Its to protect the kids, some are as young as 8 that play, my nephew is one of them. However, he cannot play anymore do to the sexual harrassing nature of some of the chat on the game, mainly in global chat. I have another nephew who si 14, with mental difficulties. he cannot deal with all the swearing, he has a hard time dealing with a lot of the chat that is way innappropriate. It even upsets me. I myself, do not wish to see the constant blabbering swearing harrassment to each other either. I do swear myself, but not so much on the game. I find it gets old and annoying after 5 mins of watching the chat on global, ot fk you and your mother and your a fkin noob and blah blah, thats the light stuff. Go msg this person, she wants you to fk you and some of it goes as far as inciting rape of another. its mostly there to protect joymax however, since so many kids play and you have to be at least the age of 13 to play without supervision (at least the other game does, dunno about here). Lawsuits, would be a bad thing. Even tho, its getting to where mmorpgs should be rated "mature" anymore, becuase the kids on here are so immature and talk so ignorant. Most of them, swear words seem to be all they know anymore

Barotix, while you bring up valid points; I have to point out one flaw in your argument: which is simply that ignoring the problem does NOT equal support. It is simply not caring, apathy if you will. People with apathy neither help or hinder the problem, do not delude yourself with false thoughts that apathy equals support.

Let me define support, support is blatantly defending the botting community; giving their money to bot companies for bot-cards or whatever the hell they use to do their thing. I have not yet seen 4reaLz doing either of the two, therefore calling him a bot supporter or an all out botter with absolutely no proof is willful ignorance. That being said, should you catch him botting and have proof; then thats when you can pass rightful judgement.

Personally, I myself am against cheating in any game; its stupid and there is no reason to do it; however, just because a bot wanders into my grinding spot is no reason for me to start a hissy fit on a forum about a problem that everyone deals with, simply because there is no reason to whine and bitch about something I have little to no power over. However, since you cannot directly control what another botter does, my suggestion is to either KS the living shit out of them until their bot takes them to some other spot. If that doesn't work, get a high level to spawn Slave Watchers or Lightning thieves on them, be creative if it means that much to you. If neither of those work or you're too lazy to do those, and the bot comes back, either move to another area or again, killsteal them until their bot takes them a bit farther away from you.

As for the whole legits vs botters war thing you've got going on, good for you; your rules are your rules and I respect that. Yes its fine if a legit catches another SRF poster botting, with real genuine proof; there is absolutely no problem with that. The other guys arguement that I think you have overlooked is that sometimes trying to expose someone is abused, and immature kids will start accusing everyone in sight to either bring attention to oneself, or to cover up their own actions, or to just be an asshole and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon and starts saying, "Oh yeah that guy is a botter for sure, ban him!" just because everyone else says so. At that point, it becomes a witch hunt. Have you ever read up on the Salem Witch Trials? Similiar concept, but on an online video game rather than in real life.

its not legal by Joymax then why would it be legal with SRF

That is direct support. Support doesn't have to be a Blatant cheer for botting (i.e.) "I love botters" or the ever so common, "Botters are good people".


If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.
Being friends with botters is not support. Not caring if your friends bot is support. If you do nothing to prevent or at least slow the problem then you are part of the problem, a sympathizer.

@Rhe7oric, You posted great solutions that are done daily on Venus.
P.S. I didn't accuse him of botting.
P.S.S. Sympathy is support.
P.S.S.S. Indirect support is the key word.

Okay, so please show me in SRF (specifically) in your terms of service that it is every posters sworn duty to go all out against botters, that they have no choice in the matter and MUST do it. I've read all the rules that I can find here and so far, all I've come up with is to generally keep the forum clean.

It bothers me that you seem to have the term apathy and sympathizer mixed up (and the fact that the views I see from you is all in black and white, there is no middle ground; which I believe to be wrong). Apathy is simply not caring: not helping, not hindering. Sympathizing is an entirely different thing than apathy. From what I see in face value since I do not know 4reaLz in real life (although, I admit, I do know him from Halo PC, but thats not the point that we are here to discuss), he is simply apathetic to the problem. He is neither helping nor hindering the war against bots, just another part of the masses if you will.

If you have the means to slow a problem or change the situation for the better and you prefer to sit by and relax then you're supporting the problem, IMO (*I should have included imo from the start).

Adding shades of gray makes it difficult to distinguish Legit from Illegitimate.
Thats all I got to offer you mate.
Cheater
Cheater Supporter
Legitimate

@OP, do Korean Locale using pk2. It removes the swear filter for most words because Koreans don't have the same words blocked as us. It also fixes fonts and shows when the server is full (*Full is advantage). IMO, you're better off not altering anything and just typing: "fck", "fack", "fark", "f.uck", or better yet "F-u[k". If you must remove swear filter do it with pk2, the Majority don't care and consider it legit.

yes, my guild leaders are ALL botters, lvl 88+, nice +5 sets. also, the guild i belong to has alot of botters, prob more than legit. and then there's me and a few friends my lvl in the guild who are legit. ive been in my guild for over a year and the members have become my friends. it doesnt make them bad people because they bot, its just their style of gaming. they are willing to do whatever to reach cap while i just like to play casually.
Barotix unfortunatelly you take this game way too seriously. its just some free MMO that has GM's who care less about botters than you.

4reaLz? I no right, I am so cereal!
OnT: Do the pk2 edit and stop worrying yourself.

Kinda subjective...

Also, it's funny how I can't mention that a guy sounds like a bot supporter in GD, but you can. Oh well ^ ^

Not supporter, you said he sounds like a closet bottter. That means you're calling him a botter.

@Bolded text, that would mean trying to get an advantage through your edits. That part is determined entirely by the editor but some edits are taboo.

Sure I may consider him a closet botter, but as he has no SRO account to my knoledge at least, he becomes a bot supporter to me. Guess I should have reworded it, it's more that I wanted someone to take notice ^ ^

True. Except where you came to the conclusion that pk2 editing your clothes technically can put you at an advantage. Other than that, yah, agreed.