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Post subject: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:53 pm |
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Hello guys, I was just wondering what mag. options are good for a blader? As always these are the ones you can choose for the dress: (4 options) 4x Str 1 4x Int 1 4x Lucky 1% Increase 4x Monster Ignore defense probability 1% Attack Rate 5% Increase HP 150 Increase Damage 5% Increase HP Recovery 25% Increase (I'm 99,8% sure it doesn't work for pots) Hat: (2 options only) Str 1 Int 1 Parry Rate 5% Increase MP 150 Increase Damage Absorbation 5% Increase MP Revovery 25% Increase (Same as HP, correct me if I'm wrong) Acc: (1 option only) Attack rate 5% Increase HP Recovery 25% Increase So, what should I choose for the dress, hat and acc? 
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LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:34 pm |
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I'd go for these. Dress: Monster Ignore Defense Probability 1%(2x) Attack Rate 5% Increase Damage 5% Increase Hat: Parry Rate 5% increase Damage Absorption 5% Increase Accessory: Attack Rate 5% Increase I did a mistake on my dress by choosing HP Recovery 25% Increase on the Dress instead of Monster Ignore Defense Probability 1%. And can't have the Accessory cos i have the wing dress.  But i like wings more anyways. 
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:51 pm |
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Well, I dont know about the Monster thingy. It's only 2% so wouldn't it be better with maybe even Str x2?
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:57 pm |
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apan wrote: Well, I dont know about the Monster thingy. It's only 2% so wouldn't it be better with maybe even Str x2? That 2% may be very useful. I have only 1% and i get it quite often. It's much better to have a chance to hit very high than not to have it, but just hit a bit higher.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:21 pm |
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You will find that 2 str aren't worth it when You go a bit higher in level and as omier44 said at the stats but i prefer 5%Damage increase and 3*1% Ignore monster defence on a suit (without getting the 5% attack rating) .
_________________ So in the first week in college i went with jeans and the pajama's shirt. Didn't notice what i was wearing till after i returned home.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:40 pm |
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4x Lucky or 4x Ignore Monster Defense. Other Choices are noob and useless.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:03 pm |
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5% Damage increase and a 3*1% ignore monster defence is actually better .
Someone calculated the damage effect in 100 hits about 2 weeks ago and proved that the overall damage outcome is better with the damage increase .
(Btw the 5% damage increase , increases your ignore mob defence damage ) .
_________________ So in the first week in college i went with jeans and the pajama's shirt. Didn't notice what i was wearing till after i returned home.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:53 pm |
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I just added 4xmonster ignore and trust me, it helps a LOT! Ignoring the monsters defense makes me hit nearly as much as when I crit in bezerk - it's amazing!
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:17 pm |
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Yeah but I'm a blader = a tank, shouldnt i like... get def helpers? Though I can see why you want the damage ignore when you hit as low as a blader does. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can I go up to a PT mob and kill it in one attack if the damage ignore goes off? 
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:35 pm |
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apan wrote: Yeah but I'm a blader = a tank, shouldnt i like... get def helpers? Though I can see why you want the damage ignore when you hit as low as a blader does. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can I go up to a PT mob and kill it in one attack if the damage ignore goes off?  No, you can't do that. I don't know how exactly the damage formula for the monster ignore is. But I think it's like... you'll basically hit the same as you would do on a Mangyang (any mob with nearly no defense could do). I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe it's correct.
_________________ Dubious ・ Lvl 101 ・ STR Archer ・ jSRO-R ・ active PillowFight ・ Lvl 69 ・ STR Archer ・ jSRO-R ・ inactive Aggrobatic ・ Lvl 101 ・ Warrior / Cleric ・ jSRO-R ・ inactive
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:55 pm |
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ltsune wrote: apan wrote: Yeah but I'm a blader = a tank, shouldnt i like... get def helpers? Though I can see why you want the damage ignore when you hit as low as a blader does. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can I go up to a PT mob and kill it in one attack if the damage ignore goes off?  No, you can't do that. I don't know how exactly the damage formula for the monster ignore is. But I think it's like... you'll basically hit the same as you would do on a Mangyang (any mob with nearly no defense could do). I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe it's correct. Correct! @apan does 4x str makes you a better tanker? or does 25% hp recovery helps, I mean have you ever seen HP regen?
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:55 pm |
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ltsune wrote: apan wrote: Yeah but I'm a blader = a tank, shouldnt i like... get def helpers? Though I can see why you want the damage ignore when you hit as low as a blader does. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can I go up to a PT mob and kill it in one attack if the damage ignore goes off?  No, you can't do that. I don't know how exactly the damage formula for the monster ignore is. But I think it's like... you'll basically hit the same as you would do on a Mangyang (any mob with nearly no defense could do). I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe it's correct. Actually, I think you're wrong. You see, if I do 100k dmg in berserk, I can guarantee you that a PT mob at that lvl won't have that much HP. So why wouldn't I be able to kill it in one attack?
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:49 am |
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ignore monster def doesn't mean killing it in 1 hit. for example you cannot 1 hit giant or pt mob, but you do damage it like you dmg a manyang. if you have 4% ignore mobs def, then u have 4% chance of dealing damage like damage you can do witha manyang.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:28 am |
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That's what he's trying to say. If he can hit a Mangyan 100k and a giant lvl 76 (just an example) have 100k hp, he will be able to one hit it. At least that's what I think he meant.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:47 pm |
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Yeah that's what i meant 
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:56 am |
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So guys, what should I go for?
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:29 pm |
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apan wrote: Dress(4 options) 4x Str 1 4x Int 1 4x Lucky 1% Increase 4x Monster Ignore defense probability 1% Attack Rate 5% Increase HP 150 Increase Damage 5% Increase HP Recovery 25% Increase (I'm 99,8% sure it doesn't work for pots)
Hat: (2 options only)
Str 1 Int 1 Parry Rate 5% Increase MP 150 Increase Damage Absorbation 5% Increase MP Revovery 25% Increase (Same as HP, correct me if I'm wrong)
Acc: (1 option only)
Attack rate 5% Increase HP Recovery 25% Increase
That or 2x Monster Ignore and then Attack rate 5% and Damage 5%. I would recommend Monster ignore though.
_________________ Dubious ・ Lvl 101 ・ STR Archer ・ jSRO-R ・ active PillowFight ・ Lvl 69 ・ STR Archer ・ jSRO-R ・ inactive Aggrobatic ・ Lvl 101 ・ Warrior / Cleric ・ jSRO-R ・ inactive
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:31 pm |
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Hmm, we'll see. Perhaps I wont do this until higher lvls when I'm more sure 
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:22 pm |
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this isn't even worth a discussion. 3 Choices: 4x Lucky 4x Ignore Monster Def 5% Damage Increase, 3x Ignore Monster Defense.
For hat, only 1 choice. 5% Damage Absorb 5% Parry For Attacment : OFC 5% Attack Rate.
Other Options like MP/HP increase. iNT/Str, MP/HP Regen are just plain stupid and dumb.
is this your first avatar? If you really want to see effects in Magic option in avatar, just go 4x Ignore and you will see it alot in grinding.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:04 pm |
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jyushinshuu wrote: this isn't even worth a discussion. 3 Choices: 4x Lucky 4x Ignore Monster Def 5% Damage Increase, 3x Ignore Monster Defense.
For hat, only 1 choice. 5% Damage Absorb 5% Parry For Attacment : OFC 5% Attack Rate.
Other Options like MP/HP increase. iNT/Str, MP/HP Regen are just plain stupid and dumb.
is this your first avatar? If you really want to see effects in Magic option in avatar, just go 4x Ignore and you will see it alot in grinding. I have Metal Drakon aswell, but i've only put 4x Lucky on the dress, nothing on the hat and acc, so I haven't noticed anything (not even in alchemy lol  )
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LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:18 am |
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The Invisible wrote: 5% Damage increase and a 3*1% ignore monster defence is actually better .
Someone calculated the damage effect in 100 hits about 2 weeks ago and proved that the overall damage outcome is better with the damage increase .
(Btw the 5% damage increase , increases your ignore mob defence damage ) . viewtopic.php?f=2&t=127097&p=1864787#p1864787
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:41 am |
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1% ignore monster defence is indeed very usefull when grinding. However I want the best options for my suit for PVP. So I believe 1x Damage 5% Increase, 1x Attack Rate 5% Increase and 2x Str is the way to go for the dress. PVE-wise 3x or 4x 1% ignore monster defence is indeed the way to go. But I don't really care I can hit high damage on 3 (or 4) out of 100 mobs when I go grinding. I rather have a little more life and dmg when I go Pvping.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:12 pm |
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Those 2 str/int won't do you any good when +50 , you won't even notice them .
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:52 pm |
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The Invisible wrote: Those 2 str/int won't do you any good when +50 , you won't even notice them . Can be, but they're more usefull then the ignore monster defence when pvping.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:06 pm |
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SolidSteel wrote: The Invisible wrote: Those 2 str/int won't do you any good when +50 , you won't even notice them . Can be, but they're more usefull then the ignore monster defence when pvping. That's why you should have both a pvp set and a grind set - if you have two 
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:29 pm |
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I do have two, though one of them has got 4x Lucky 
_________________ LV 88 Nuker
LV 92 Blader
JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:18 pm |
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More than 2 sets of avatars seems confusing and much more than you will need , you can just make a lucky one and a 5% damage increase , 5% attack rating , 2*1% ignore monster defence , this can work as a grinding and a pvp suit . 1-5 str will only give you a few hundreds of damage increase when you are +100 and hit with +50k damage and less than a hundred damage at -70 .
Btw does lucky increase the luck of elixirs or stones or both ?
_________________ So in the first week in college i went with jeans and the pajama's shirt. Didn't notice what i was wearing till after i returned home.
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Post subject: Re: [Blader] What magic options should I choose? Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:38 am |
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just elixirs im pretty sure
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