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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:33 pm 
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i know i said that i was not gonna use the forums again, but this is sumthing i rly need to say...

imo the idea of hunting is losing its true meaning rly...
the only reasone people are wearing hunter suits lately is just for wars outside gates and running around jangan area maybe killing some other thieves...

but the true concept of hunting is lost rly...
the creators of sro intended the hunter to protect the merchant from thieves... but this isnt happening anymore! hunters no longer wait by the trader store offering traders their help....
maybe on some occasions u see a big mass of hunters protecting a big crowd of 5* traders but that happens very rarely....

wat im tring to say is, the hunter flag has become more like a cape(for pvp) rather than a job suit...
the only times u might see a hunter guarding someone is when a union/guild member crosses by and decides to guard u... but thats it rly...

AND the most thing i hate is... when hunters see a thief attacking/popping sum1 and dont help the person coz they r their friends, or when u r hunting with a big group then one of the higher lvl hunters, switches to a thief and starts ownin evry1...


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thats true. Please look for the multiple posts on the job update coming 'soon' that may rectify the problem (in part).


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I can tell you why I dont do that anymore.

THere is no payoff. A trader makes a small profit, not a large one. He offers me 100K for my trouble, maybe 200K.

OMG he bought a stack of pots and a stack of pills. I used three times that.

I have no profit, no reason to be hunter. He doesnt make enough to make it worth my while to go. I will go on Union trades as hunter but I dont expect profit for that... BUt I do for a stranger.

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Yeah I agree. They never protect caravans, they just run around outside of DW and when they do kill you they will stand there for ever wating. They need to find something else to do and actually protect traders. Im glad they dont get any money.

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nightbloom wrote:
I can tell you why I dont do that anymore.

THere is no payoff. A trader makes a small profit, not a large one. He offers me 100K for my trouble, maybe 200K.

OMG he bought a stack of pots and a stack of pills. I used three times that.

I have no profit, no reason to be hunter. He doesnt make enough to make it worth my while to go. I will go on Union trades as hunter but I dont expect profit for that... BUt I do for a stranger.


And there's also no real payoff "caping" with thieves either (not that you do). Hunters are glad to put on their hunter flags to fight thieves at the gates, but few do offer their help to traders they don't know. And there are a lot of noob traders that really need it.

Hey, if there were more gracious hunters, we'd prolly see more multi-star trades which would mean more conflict on the roads (instead of job wars outside the gates).

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nightbloom wrote:
I can tell you why I dont do that anymore.

THere is no payoff. A trader makes a small profit, not a large one. He offers me 100K for my trouble, maybe 200K.

OMG he bought a stack of pots and a stack of pills. I used three times that.

I have no profit, no reason to be hunter. He doesnt make enough to make it worth my while to go. I will go on Union trades as hunter but I dont expect profit for that... BUt I do for a stranger.


And there's also no real payoff "caping" with thieves either (not that you do). Hunters are glad to put on their hunter flags to fight thieves at the gates, but few do offer their help to traders they don't know. And there are a lot of noob traders that really need it.

Hey, if there were more gracious hunters, we'd prolly see more multi-star trades which would mean more conflict on the roads (instead of job wars outside the gates).

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U guys r pretty weird imo... ppl wanna have fun and that's why they put on the capes. U guys r rich anyway so why do u need any "payoff" :?

Adding 2 that, killing those dumb poppers at the Eastern Ferry is only positiv 4 traders...so why complain :?

Unexplainable 2 me... :roll:

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I have never put on a hunter suit and expected to be paid for the service of protection a trade run. I do it to do it.. for fun. I will often hook up with some random trader/trade group (usually quite a few levels lower that I) and run with them. I do it to break up the monotony of the long questless grinds. I like getting the "thx" from the traders that I escort. I don't need any kind of payment.

Why is everyone so concerned with making a profit with everything? Why not play the game for fun? In case many of you have not noticed, the number of gold bots/CCFers is outrageous, which, in turn, completely skews the ecomomy. Because of the skewed economy people are forced to buy gold from the gold botters just to be able to afford the uber items that the CCFers have made (which supports CCF). There is no way that being a trader or thief will net you the kind of profit you need to be able to afford the "uber" items in the game now.

All I am trying to say is have fun. Its just a game. You can try to be the best at it, but there will ALWAYS be someone that is better.


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I will help any lvl 45+ from DW to Hotan or Hotan to DW for only 200k on a 5 star. If goods are lost I pay the trader 80% of what he paid for goods.

I find it pretty easy to get 2 or 3 people that way. 400k - 600k per trade run with a 45+ (I don't waste much of anything unless player thief comes) is good for me.


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wait, why are you complaining? Are you saying that you spend all your time helping strangers for the "good of helping strangers." What is the appeal in helping someone who will be grateful for the time you spend to accompany him? Especially if it is a 2* or more, where higher level thieves can attack you and him at any time. Everytime you die, its a waste of pots and experience. And if it is a 1*, why on earth would you need help for that?

The only reason they created the hunter system is for FRIENDS to protect FRIENDS. Traders trade for money. Should they trade for money and give all of it out? Thieves theif for the money and the fun, should they find a way to "give" away that fun and money? The reason the class system is so open is so you can do what is needed or what is wanted. Its just really dumb to expect everyone to help you. I know you did not say that, but it seems like your ranting because of the lack of help you found. If your trying to multistar, find a good active guild and union.

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most thing i hate is... when hunters see a thief attacking/popping sum1 and dont help the person coz they r their friends

this is just ... wow... to complain about. Would you honestly help some stupid level 20 pulling a 5* by killing your friend? Its like saying, because your best friend got into a fight with someone you don't know, your going to beat up your friend.

Sorry, but I just can't seem to understand your stance. Help is rarily free. It is how SRO and generally life works. Well it doesnt even matter, if your doing a multistar, find a guildmate. If your doing a one star and you can't handle it, thats just sad.

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Guard 5*....
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ROB 5*!

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Well theres no real payoff for protecting a sole one star. I mean there is no excitement or hunting exp or money for it. Thats why it's called a caravan system, there are supposed to be mutliple traders and thats when the hunter comes in so the whole operation moves slowly and the maximum amount of money can be earned.

And it's a lot more fun traveling together I never understood why people solo trade, unless i guess they have that SOS they want to buy or something.

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nightbloom wrote:
I can tell you why I dont do that anymore.

THere is no payoff. A trader makes a small profit, not a large one. He offers me 100K for my trouble, maybe 200K.

OMG he bought a stack of pots and a stack of pills. I used three times that.

I have no profit, no reason to be hunter. He doesnt make enough to make it worth my while to go. I will go on Union trades as hunter but I dont expect profit for that... BUt I do for a stranger.

And whenever I do it, the noob logs out when we're past the "danger spawning zone", namely past the tigers when going from DW - Jangan. I just did it to be nice, and he agreed to give me a little payment for my trouble. I mean, even if it was just maybe 1k, 2k i woulda been happy. But promising to do something and not doing it is what really makes me want to spawn the guys instead of protect them :roll:

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Personally I dont do it for the payoff. I do it to keep everyone safe. Provided I do thieve as well. I'm lvl 2 thief, lvl 2 hunter, lvl 3 trader. When I hunt I only like hunting for other 64+ because the 5 stars caravan is much more challenging. Hunting for a lower lvl playe say 20 to 30 takes no challenge at all.

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lol huyfong

armor -> protector -> garm

did it really take u that long to find out?

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bleaK wrote:
lol huyfong

armor -> protector -> garm

did it really take u that long to find out?

And how the **** do you pay for it all.


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ShizKnight wrote:
bleaK wrote:
lol huyfong

armor -> protector -> garm

did it really take u that long to find out?

And how the **** do you pay for it all.

lvl3 trader?


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I usually rather rob them then protect them. But when I do put on a hunter flag, its for free.

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wait, why are you complaining? Are you saying that you spend all your time helping strangers for the "good of helping strangers." What is the appeal in helping someone who will be grateful for the time you spend to accompany him? Especially if it is a 2* or more, where higher level thieves can attack you and him at any time. Everytime you die, its a waste of pots and experience. And if it is a 1*, why on earth would you need help for that?

The only reason they created the hunter system is for FRIENDS to protect FRIENDS. Traders trade for money. Should they trade for money and give all of it out? Thieves theif for the money and the fun, should they find a way to "give" away that fun and money? The reason the class system is so open is so you can do what is needed or what is wanted. Its just really dumb to expect everyone to help you. I know you did not say that, but it seems like your ranting because of the lack of help you found. If your trying to multistar, find a good active guild and union.

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most thing i hate is... when hunters see a thief attacking/popping sum1 and dont help the person coz they r their friends

this is just ... wow... to complain about. Would you honestly help some stupid level 20 pulling a 5* by killing your friend? Its like saying, because your best friend got into a fight with someone you don't know, your going to beat up your friend.

Sorry, but I just can't seem to understand your stance. Help is rarily free. It is how SRO and generally life works. Well it doesnt even matter, if your doing a multistar, find a guildmate. If your doing a one star and you can't handle it, thats just sad.

im not complaining! im stating the facts! and F.Y.I, i dont rly need hunter help on a 1* trade run coz i can manage to take down a lvl54s thieves without much trouble and without zerk!
im only saying that hunters have lost their true purpose, so shut the ..... up retard and dont u dare try flaming me!

oh and u know y i said that thing of friends doing the opposite job and not fighting eachother...? well picture this.... sum1 is almost arrived at jangan witha 1* load and a thief is about to pop him just outside the gates, and a hunter runs by and just stands there watching(they were both the same lvl).... just to let u know, i wasnt the trader but i was the one to jump in the way and distract 2 lvl64+ thieves long enough for the lvl 20 to get away!


last thing i wanna say... i hunt for lvl20s, i get a group of about 4-6 and escort them to jangan.... i get 20k from each and that means i get a nice 80-100k at the end....
so basically, wat u guys r doing wrong with hunting is: u only hunt for one person at a time and get pissed coz of the low pay!
wat u need to do is hunt for more than 1 person and get more profit! jesus christ, its so obvious!


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