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Say if they were lvl 100...
glaive(lvl100*equipted weapon)/bow(lvl100*passive only)/fire(lvl100*all) 32%  32%  [ 6 ]
gliave(lvl100*equipted weapon)/fire(lvl100*all)/lightning(lvl100*all buffs) 68%  68%  [ 13 ]
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Say if they were lvl 100...

glaive(lvl100*equipted weapon)/bow(lvl100*passive only)/fire(lvl100*all)

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gliave(lvl100*equipted weapon)/fire(lvl100*all)/lightning(lvl100*all buffs)




who will win? :D please explain specifically in your opinion about your decision. thank you! :wink:

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PS THEY ALL HAVE "SAME" EQUIPMENTS, EVERYTHING EQUAL

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bow for passive only?
if you really want Attack Rating that badly just buy 30% increase scrolls.

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bow for passive only?
if you really want Attack Rating that badly just buy 30% increase scrolls.



wat about having both? bow passive and the atk scroll. :D

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not that hard to keep a spare bow in your inventory

Don't forget the hawk....


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Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.


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Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D

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dual weapon can be pretty effective if u not laggin and can switch off quickly. My char rn has bow 80, glaive 80, fire 80, light 60. and I can pretty well beat anyone, even those other str build with cold masteries ect. It may be good at 100 cap even, since all STR is really meant for is fire mastery and bow can make up for the lack of speed with range. p.s I've had people try to outrun/run away from me so I switch to bow to finish them, it was awesome ..lol

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
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Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


no...
one running away shows the other persons stupidity and noobness cuz they can't catch up to you to kill you.

believe me ive been there, the other person shit their pants in anger.

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

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light also gives parry ratio +, so the attack rating will be cancelled out.

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tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D

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jabbers wrote:
dual weapon can be pretty effective if u not laggin and can switch off quickly. My char rn has bow 80, glaive 80, fire 80, light 60. and I can pretty well beat anyone, even those other str build with cold masteries ect. It may be good at 100 cap even, since all STR is really meant for is fire mastery and bow can make up for the lack of speed with range. p.s I've had people try to outrun/run away from me so I switch to bow to finish them, it was awesome ..lol




yea i agree with you, someone running away means they know they'll lose.. :P

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D


when the light/glaive runs away that just puts the bow/glaive at an advantage since well...it's bow, that is if he is actaully running away to give up or just trying to recover and continue fight

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You missed the point completely. I said when the light glaiver is low on hp. After 3 crits in a row or a chain that critted each time with a GS crit afterwards, you need time to pot. And while potting, i don't think the light build will care if the other guy is potting back as well.

But lets reverse the situation.

The bow glaiver has just gotten 4 crits in a row and is on very low hp. Now the bow glaiver doesn't have the choice of using phantom to get away as it doesn't have the light tree. He is literally a sitting duck. The light glaiver will then apply a quick damage move and finish the job.

My scenario was to prove the fact that the light glaiver wont die, and it is only a matter of time before the light glaiver gets a few crits and wins.

Understand now?

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D


when the light/glaive runs away that just puts the bow/glaive at an advantage since well...it's bow, that is if he is actaully running away to give up or just trying to recover and continue fight


Since the topic starter stated that the bow build was only taking the passive, it cant switch to bow and use that advantage. If thats what you were implying.


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tedtwilliger wrote:
You missed the point completely. I said when the light glaiver is low on hp. After 3 crits in a row or a chain that critted each time with a GS crit afterwards, you need time to pot. And while potting, i don't think the light build will care if the other guy is potting back as well.

But lets reverse the situation.

The bow glaiver has just gotten 4 crits in a row and is on very low hp. Now the bow glaiver doesn't have the choice of using phantom to get away as it doesn't have the light tree. He is literally a sitting duck. The light glaiver will then apply a quick damage move and finish the job.

My scenario was to prove the fact that the light glaiver wont die, and it is only a matter of time before the light glaiver gets a few crits and wins.

Understand now?

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D


when the light/glaive runs away that just puts the bow/glaive at an advantage since well...it's bow, that is if he is actaully running away to give up or just trying to recover and continue fight


Since the topic starter stated that the bow build was only taking the passive, it cant switch to bow and use that advantage. If thats what you were implying.


but he can switch to bow and 5/6 hit combo the other guy until he has recovered, that's what that skill is for.

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tedtwilliger wrote:
You missed the point completely. I said when the light glaiver is low on hp. After 3 crits in a row or a chain that critted each time with a GS crit afterwards, you need time to pot. And while potting, i don't think the light build will care if the other guy is potting back as well.

But lets reverse the situation.

The bow glaiver has just gotten 4 crits in a row and is on very low hp. Now the bow glaiver doesn't have the choice of using phantom to get away as it doesn't have the light tree. He is literally a sitting duck. The light glaiver will then apply a quick damage move and finish the job.

My scenario was to prove the fact that the light glaiver wont die, and it is only a matter of time before the light glaiver gets a few crits and wins.

Understand now?

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D


when the light/glaive runs away that just puts the bow/glaive at an advantage since well...it's bow, that is if he is actaully running away to give up or just trying to recover and continue fight


Since the topic starter stated that the bow build was only taking the passive, it cant switch to bow and use that advantage. If thats what you were implying.


he didn't know any better, not his fault

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tedtwilliger wrote:
You missed the point completely. I said when the light glaiver is low on hp. After 3 crits in a row or a chain that critted each time with a GS crit afterwards, you need time to pot. And while potting, i don't think the light build will care if the other guy is potting back as well.

But lets reverse the situation.

The bow glaiver has just gotten 4 crits in a row and is on very low hp. Now the bow glaiver doesn't have the choice of using phantom to get away as it doesn't have the light tree. He is literally a sitting duck. The light glaiver will then apply a quick damage move and finish the job.

My scenario was to prove the fact that the light glaiver wont die, and it is only a matter of time before the light glaiver gets a few crits and wins.

Understand now?

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D


when the light/glaive runs away that just puts the bow/glaive at an advantage since well...it's bow, that is if he is actaully running away to give up or just trying to recover and continue fight


Since the topic starter stated that the bow build was only taking the passive, it cant switch to bow and use that advantage. If thats what you were implying.





yea i gotcha...well with bow passive the glaiver would do much more damage than light glaiver, right?

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
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You missed the point completely. I said when the light glaiver is low on hp. After 3 crits in a row or a chain that critted each time with a GS crit afterwards, you need time to pot. And while potting, i don't think the light build will care if the other guy is potting back as well.

But lets reverse the situation.

The bow glaiver has just gotten 4 crits in a row and is on very low hp. Now the bow glaiver doesn't have the choice of using phantom to get away as it doesn't have the light tree. He is literally a sitting duck. The light glaiver will then apply a quick damage move and finish the job.

My scenario was to prove the fact that the light glaiver wont die, and it is only a matter of time before the light glaiver gets a few crits and wins.

Understand now?

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UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
UniqueSpawn wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Light build for the pure reason of being able to out run the dual weapon build and being able to phantom.



but they are both glaivers, one running away shows defeat :D


scenario: The light glaiver just got hit by a few crits. He phantoms away to pot and and uses flying ghost spear. He has an 18 meter range distance over the other glaiver. Now while the bow glavier slowly runs towards the light glaiver he will be able to throw 1 maybe 2 flying ghost spears then run in for a stun / knockback attack.

Either way the light build will never die, no matter what happens the light build will always have the option of running away to re pot. Eventually the light glaiver will get a few crits in a row and probably kill the bow glaiver.

The end.



When the ligh glaiver uses phantom to get away both players have recovered from pots and since they both have the dragon move ill bet they both would use it..idk but in my opinion seems like the light glaive is using more pots than the bow glaiver in ur story... :D


when the light/glaive runs away that just puts the bow/glaive at an advantage since well...it's bow, that is if he is actaully running away to give up or just trying to recover and continue fight


Since the topic starter stated that the bow build was only taking the passive, it cant switch to bow and use that advantage. If thats what you were implying.





yea i gotcha...well with bow passive the glaiver would do much more damage than light glaiver, right?


it wouldn't help him that much, the advantage of that build is you can hit them hard at any range, constantly

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If its Glaive/Fire/Light vs Glaive/Fire/Attack Rating, I would say that it would be pretty even, except Glaive/Fire/Light would come out on top eventully.

Lv 88 Force Piercing Force is 18% Mag Damage.

Lv 98 Concentration is 37 Parry + Lv 100 Light Passive which is 35 Parry = 72 Parry

Also, can Phantom and has increased Movespeed.

The Lv 100 Bow passive is 35 Attack Rating, and i'll assume your including Blue Hawk, which is 33 Attack Rating........for a total of 68 Attack Rating.

So the Parry boost is even higher then the attack rating boost....which just leave the 18% mag damage bonus on the Light Glaiver.

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And the topic starter finally understand my point for once.

By taking just the bow passive and sacrificing light it is a gimped and stupid build.

And as jabbers said, if you took the bow skills as well its a completely different story, but the topic starter didn't once again is talking about just the passive that so don't even try to argue that point.

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light bows the best build =)
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Orotiagito wrote:
If its Glaive/Fire/Light vs Glaive/Fire/Attack Rating, I would say that it would be pretty even, except Glaive/Fire/Light would come out on top eventully.

Lv 88 Force Piercing Force is 18% Mag Damage.

Lv 98 Concentration is 37 Parry + Lv 100 Light Passive which is 35 Parry = 72 Parry

Also, can Phantom and has increased Movespeed.

The Lv 100 Bow passive is 35 Attack Rating, and i'll assume your including Blue Hawk, which is 33 Attack Rating........for a total of 68 Attack Rating.

So the Parry boost is even higher then the attack rating boost....which just leave the 18% mag damage bonus on the Light Glaiver.






K. i got it..lightning/glaiver is more recommended...and doesnt parry try to prevent KD/KB/STUN?

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OT: Using Phantom is a Skill and skills are meant to be used, thats y imo if you a bow char you pretty much have to have light for the phantom so when your enemy gets close enough for them to attack you you just phantom outa there. Archers aren't in the front lines in a war for a reason

get light its very helpfull just the bow passive is pointless

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K. i got it..lightning/glaiver is more recommended...and doesnt parry try to prevent KD/KB/STUN?


Parry has nothing to do with KD/KB/Stun.

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Both build are pretty similar.
The one with light has the advantage of speed and phantom.
The one with bow has the advantage of range.

If you are using bow purely, u might win wit a few CRIT and KB coming one after another.
If you are Glavie wit light, u can always run and pot back.

Both have NPC gears, it will most likely ended up in a pot fight.

Bad side for the one with both Bow and Glaive is that it will need to do alot of delvling in the future.

P.S: Att rating is over rated. The effect is so minimal that you wont event relise it.

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Orotiagito wrote:
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K. i got it..lightning/glaiver is more recommended...and doesnt parry try to prevent KD/KB/STUN?


Parry has nothing to do with KD/KB/Stun.



i know im a noob, wat is parry?

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i know im a noob, wat is parry?


Easiest with examples....

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Your damage is 100-150.
Your Hit Rating is 50.

Your attacking someone with 0 Parry

Your attacks would hit 150 damage most of the time.

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Your damage is 100-150
Your Hit Rating is 50

Your attacking someone with 300 Parry

Your attacks would hit 100 most of the time.

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Your damage is 100-150
Your Hit Rating is 50

Your attacking someone with 50 Parry

Your attacks would randomly hit anywhere from 100 > 150

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Orotiagito wrote:
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i know im a noob, wat is parry?


Easiest with examples....

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Your damage is 100-150.
Your Hit Rating is 50.

Your attacking someone with 0 Parry

Your attacks would hit 150 damage most of the time.

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Your damage is 100-150
Your Hit Rating is 50

Your attacking someone with 300 Parry

Your attacks would hit 100 most of the time.

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Your damage is 100-150
Your Hit Rating is 50

Your attacking someone with 50 Parry

Your attacks would randomly hit anywhere from 100 > 150







doesnt lightning increase your parry..? so...the more parry you have the less u do?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:13 am 
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UniqueSpawn wrote:
doesnt lightning increase your parry..? so...the more parry you have the less u do?


Parry is defensive, the more parry you have...the less damage you take.

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