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Once again, i'm not promoting botting or trying to get SRF to change their stance, I'm just stating my opinion. So if someone offers to help you grind and they are a higherlvl, you should say no? I dunno, cheating is one of those grey areas to me because of how it's defined.

The reason pan wants a lock is because of something i brought up 1 post AFTER he said that??? I'm confused

There's no need for discussion??? Which part of Silkroad General Discussion did you miss???

Well, I just asked Joymax if they allowed botting. Ill let you guys see from their response, but it seems to me like they don't stand against it. They only comment on making the game accesible. It seems to me that they don't care about the bots, they just care about their full servers.

lol
can't expect much from this bot response. They prepared answers. After that they just need to click some buttons to choose one that fit the subject...

cept that response didn't really fit... that was the most round-a-bout way to say,

"Hi stupid customer, we don't give a shit about you or this game. Just keep giving us your money like a good pet and will keep feeding you pixels. Cheers! (btw, don't give out your password or info out to others. We warn you because you're dumb enough to keep feeding us money so who knows what you'll do. We could never survive without u!) JM

It's obvious..powerlevel is fine..as long as no bots are involved. Bot powerlevel = bad. How is that a grey area..?

The discussion is mainly people trying to justify bots..botting, etc. Saying that cheating is okay because of the company blah blah. It's not needed because the answer is so obvious. =\

Wow u just used the blue zerk didnt u?

Some duke's have multiplayer options,me and my bro used to play it all the times with cheats for those awesome guns against eachother.No need to go berzerk,it's just a game,for fun u know?Not for world domination.

Ps.I'd love to keep my balls,so don't go castrating.

Cheaters ruin it for those who play by the rules. That's why rules exist. When someone takes the fun away from someone else for no reason other than to boost their own ego...Well I call that person a douchebag.

I don't think we're trying to say cheating is ok. I know i'm trying to say that people cheat because they chose to, but also because of how lax the policy against bot is.

I use to try to only look for legit powerlvl at ongs, but after you get all the way out there, pay someone that says they hand grind, and notice them moving in a bot-like pattern, i just sit there until i get kicked. Sometimes, I get auto-invited randomly making me think it's a person, only to realize it's not. I guess I could leave and not get the free exp, but I could've done the same to legit grinding groups. I once joined like 5 parties cuz I was 99% and and ran out of pots. I just ran from one group to the next until i got the 1% i needed. That's why for me, powerlvl is a grey area.

Botting is bad, but considering how far the bots have infiltrated the SRO community, it's pretty hard to stay completely 100% legit depending on how you define legit. If you define it as having taken 0 advantage from a bot, that's impossible as most drops and elixirs sold cheap are from bots. If you define it as never getting experience with the help of a bot, that let's you be a legit as long as you grind with friends. If you define it as never personally using a loader or bot, than you can join all the powerlvl parties in the party match. If you define it as never talking to or being friends with a bot, than you must have never actually managed to log on...

And where exactly did u get their collective motives?From mindreading?

Regardless of their motives they are ruining others fun. That was the main point of the post. Whether it's to help a friend on their own team, make themselves feel better or for no reason at all..What's so hard about playing by the rules

Anyone who desires to win so much they are willing to cheat cares more about their own ego. Its not rocket science.

If your friend is a botter sure. Otherwise no. There are a lot of times when large generalizations etc are wrong and innacurate. When it comes to SRO conservatively 9 out of 10 players at least are botters. To assume the person is a bot is rational in this case. If that was not enough you might be forgiven for being in a bot party if you were new to the game. However anyone who has been on the game long enough knows what guilds and in general players are safe. lone guildless high lvl player offering free plvl it? It is a bot.

Not sure why I am spending much time answering a straw man. You know this as well as I do.



It is rather easy to prove honestly. And basically on all the servers I was on non bot Plvl at ong was the exception. Not the rule. That includes "legit" venus. Your nubs at least have been powerleveled by bots 100% and therefor are not legit. Yes it is a grey area though a grey area that still should not be allowed. If it were then no one would ever bot again. Everyone would simply get plvl form silent tireless good samaritans who never PVP, job, or train. That ruins the game as well. But the lot of you don't really care to play the game. That is why over half of this forum plays WoW lol.

Still at that point you had eachothers consent. Very different from an MMO. These people are not going around saying "Pardone me chap I am a lazy SOB and can't be bothered to play the game. Would you mind terribly old bean if I set my bot up here next to you and KSed you mercelessly for the next few hours?". If they at least asked that would be something but they don't. It is just a giant **** you to the server saying I will run as many clients as I want and bot as long as I want and no one is gonna do anything about it. Me me me me me me me me me me me me. There is not a single person on SRO that actually role plays. It is all just selfish pottymouth 12 year olds with an entitlement complex. God I don't miss it. It boggles the mind just how much people go through trying to justify cheating.

I'm not going to comment on the topic and just let my venus location speak for itself and my beliefs, but Goseki, this made me smile.

lol at all those legit-obsessed people. you can't stay 100% legit anymore, since you buy items from them. in a way you're taking advantage of botters, since you get to buy cheap shit, so i guess that makes you a bot supporter.
imo, since botters have ruined the game, just return the favor by exploiting them, join powerlvls, gain lvls faster so you can pwn them later on. buy their cheap items so you can use them against them. buy their cheap elixirs so you can pimp out your gear and kill them faster. ignoring botters won't fix things, you can do NOTHING to fix things, only joymax can.
my definition of legit goes as far as: not using 3rd party programs, bots and-or loaders.
at one point i read a post from a very infamous legit in a very infamous legit forum, that that goal of staying legit is to play the game as if botters didn't exist.
do you sincerely think that's possible? lol

Argument has been disproven many times over.



With the full sun set you are not gonna buy gold to afford? And since when did 2 wrongs make a right?



False. Venus is far from perfect. But it IS better. Simply because they try. Believe me joymax did squat there.


To some extent yes. Most of them never touch the job system so technically you can actually do that a bit and there are some areas where bots are a bit more rare. Just not enough.

I'm legit and I don't give a shit about bots. If they bot or not, it doesn't make any difference at all to me.

awww ping I don't hate you!

I was a bit surprised myself about the Duke Nukem comparison. It's like saying "I cheat at solitaire. How is SRO botting any different?"

Cheating is cheating, but at least in single player offline games, you affect no one but yourself.



The only reason you "need to be capped" for anything non-grinding is because of the huge majority of people who are cheating their way to the top by either botting or getting power leveled.

If people weren't in such a rush to get to cap, didn't bot their way up there, the levels would be a lot more distributed. You'd probably have a majority of the server around lvl 40-60, maybe 5% lvl 75-90 and 2% at cap, with the rest under 30 trying to catch up. The whole dynamics of the game would change. Jobbing at a low level would be possible again without the threat of 200 lvl 95+ characters hunting you down all over the map.



I role play every now and then. In fact, one time I played the role of a buff. I was on my blader, put on a fire buff, and ran circles around another player saying "hey look, I'm a buff!"

True about the job thing i guess. I just hate how when i go hunting, run into a thief my lvl, pwn him, he calls his mate, i call mine, than we just sit in safe zone watching a group of 10 higher lvls duke it out. Than if things get heated we get 5 outside buffers and eventually it ends in a a draw or complete ownage.

So you can log in to iSRO first try every try without using a moddified client or spending on a premium ticket? Wow you must truly be blessed. Play the lottery for me.</sarcasm>

An immoral deed with or without consent stays an immoral deed.Just because u want it to be a certain way doesnt make it so,since botting isn't wrong imo it's the same concept.Duke multiplayer vs eachother is an example,it might as well be done without consent but I might as well use another MMO as illustration.Just because u don't want to feel left behind in the dust doesn't mean the other side is fault for your "ruined fruits" ill explain below why.



What if they don't desire to win so much at all?What if they want to be 100 as fast as possible to not hand any real life money more to premiums/pets etc to joymax.What if they wanted to have some nice skills to role play some?This is not egotistical and if it indirectly ruins your fun that is still your problem not theirs seeying u want to keep up with the joneses,you have an ego-prob in that case not them.


U see,with an argument like that it can go both ways.

Only Sro's TOS matters,nothing else.

So botters want what high level legits have, and they can cheat to get it, and that's ok? If legits don't like it, it's our own problem?

So I guess if you have a nice car, or a nice large lump of cash in your wallet, and I want it, I can just take it. If you don't like it, it's your problem?

What ever happened to actually working to achieve something? This is an MMORPG, but if everyone is botting, where's the role playing? Botters fill the servers, making it hard to log in, fill grinding spots making it hard to grind... yet botters don't hurt the community.

Everyone who is making comparisons with botting and real life situations just stop lol..you cant compare those 2 things.

Do what you want, just don't give me a good reason to insult you "mother fucker cheater cause server traffic"

You shouldn't have to feel sorry for something like that. Azilius isn't the best example of a moral character.

The fact of the matter is, people are bitter and envious creatures to begin with. Get an upper-hand over someone else, and they will resent you for life. They will try to do everything in their power to hold you back, to get you to be on the same level as them.

I'm not saying botting is right. But the reasonings of these so called "legits" are wrong. I remember when sro just started and there was no item mall, no alchemy just plain old grinding. As soon as the item mall came out and people started getting gold tickets everyone started bitching at them because they bought a upper hand when it comes to leveling, I remember how everyone made me felt so horrible because i was leveling fasting that they were. They wanted me to level with them, so I wouldn't have the upper-hand over them.

The same thing happened with alchemy. All gears use to be whites, you were not able to put any blues on them. When alchemy came out, and people started putting blues on their gears all of a sudden they were being looked down on in PVP. "You only one because you have blues on your gear"? while the noob ran away after you just finish pwning him. It was actually a crime to beat someone in pvp if you had blues on your gear.

Again, same thing happened with snow shield. Before snow shield nukers use to get 1 or 2 hit from left to right by pure str. But with snow shield they were finally able to compete, but whenever a nuker won a pvp all you would hear were cries about how you only beat me with snow shield.

So the fact of the matter is, we are all humans, we are all somewhat selfish beings. If someone has the upper-hand over us, we don't feel right, we would rather be on the same playing field with them. Then pwn their asssss like the selfish creatures we are. So when someone has something over us, whether is a higher lvl char or gear, we find some reasoning to take that away from them.

All the "legits" that cried about plvling when Euro came out and just bitter about their experience with sro. "I grinded for hours on end to get my lvl 70 char, and so should you. Your a botting piece of crap, wah wah wah wah wah wah T_T".

Get a life you jerks, i will enjoy my capped char, and there is not a damn thing you can do to take that away from me, you envious bastards.

Nuclear get a life. Arguing with you is like arguing with a tree. It never gets anywhere.

Avalon Lose Fortress from Venus

From what I can see, they only lost because FW got glitched.

Really guys why are flaming so much... Bots are bots. If you want - bot, if you dont want - dont bot. Everyone can make up excuses why do they bot or not bot. U cant do anything about it and if you dont like it just quit.
Whining about game that u cant change make u look like idiots.
If u dont like it dont play it, simple as that.
Noone makes you play, right?