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Such a bullshit debate. Until Joymax declares a thumbs up for botting, there isn't much to discuss about. It doesn't matter if you suck their dicks in real life, if someone breaks the rules in a game, they break the rules.

Great first post. I can tell you are going to be a great asset to this community. Care to actually use your main account to post your feelings? Normally people's first post involves hi, not jumping in and calling everything bullshit.



People really should use a dictionary. Hacker, noob, and whining are prob some of the most overused words on the internet. Most often used incorrectly as well. I still don't see anyone whining. So far i've mostly read about people saying what they think on the whole legit issue. We're just using evidence of how JM runs this game badly and how people are breaking "moral" standards when they cheat. Hardly whining, I don't think anyone's post has 10 lines of "I can't get on, i keep failing alchemy, I don't wanna grind anymore wahhh". The only flames i've seen so far are small ones where people take side shots at each other. Which is something to expect when you get into a debate, it's hard not to. If this is your idea of flaming.... dammm... flaming for me would probably be like a forest fire to you than.

I haven't logged on here for 3 years, so I forgot my username. I just say it as I see it. What's wrong with pointing the obvious on botting. It's against the game rules and Joymax are actively banning bots. Doesn't matter who bots, they bot then Joymax bans them. Where is the Farking debate? Until Joymax lets us decide their stance on botting, then we shall debate.

DIE BOTS, ..... BITCH, SUCK MY DICK! MUAHAHAHAHAH

False on so many levels. And frankly since you have just clearly identified yourself as a bot supporter why are you even posting on this forum?



Wow so many red herrings here. First you imply that the only reason that "legits" are upset is because they are jealous. Uninformed much? I trained by hand no power leveling and got capped with a decent set. What would I or many others be jealous of? Second the part about getting to 100 fast so you don't have to spend money is utter BS asnd you know it. How fast you level has no strong relationship to spending money. You could take years to get to 100 and never spend a dime. Or you could get to 100 in a few months without spending a dime. Third keeping up is irrelevant. Botters are the ones that are jealous and cannot keep up. It is why they bot in the first place. Christ get your facts straight.


And SRO's TOS has said does say and probably will always say you are wrong.

30 Votes there,take a look at the others.Consensus is speaking!



Lol Silo,never seen u use sarcasm in such a way besides I always thought u were a girl from your pic



Freedom of speech maybe?



I handgrinded to lvl 80+ as well.U seem to think it can only go 1 way and u seem to make a general assumption about every botter's motive.That's wrong.If you take 1 year on premiums to lvl to 90 &bot or 2 years on premiums handgrinded with limited time lets say 5 hours per day vs 24 hour per day grinding bot u save alot of money once ur capped.And who doesnt want to save money?legitimate motive thats not focused on greed vs the other players.Its focused on your own real life pocket.

And I don't know if youve seen the lvl 90+'ers so far but they are far ahead of what legits can achieve,even on Venus they are lagging behind the botters so how can u be jalouse of players that are in general slower in leveling?(I said in general)Heck even my lvl 80+ can't keep up with them atm cause they grind 24/7.



Never said I was argumenting against the TOS.I was making arguments for the morality of it.Offcourse TOS is right.Joymax is the God of their game.

Yes you can. There are hundreds of valid comparisons. You only make yourself look foolish claiming otherwise. Just admit you like bots etc and take a side.

The differnece between everthing you mentioned and botting is, none of those things are CHEATING! Everyone who cries/d about things such as blued items and gold tickets are retards who couldn’t handle the game, and likely turned to botting to compensate. So what the hell kind of point are you trying to make? Of course people want the upper hand, and nobody likes it when they don’t have it. But as long as the manner by which the upper hand is achieved is not cheating, then it just doesn’t matter. Taking a program that recieves the game information, analyzes it, then sends appropriate responses all so you don’t have to be arsed to do so your self is totally different than the game devlopers selling you a way to make your grinding more worth while. Honest to god I didn’t think id have to say this to anyone else but Silo, but you sir are ignorant, you are arguing an invalid point. So why don’t you whipe that smug feeling of accomplishment off your face and get with the program?

The poll is rubbish. Even if Nelson Mandela bots on silkroad, he's still a Farking cheater. TOS defines the act, and the punishment ensues. There is no debate.

point to you, sir.

Speaking of which, someone got a link to the "current" TOS?

Could you point me to the section that defines botting as an illegal act? It just says "illegal programs". It used to specifically address bots.

Ive read the TOS.Nowhere does it say botting isn't allowed nor a penalty against it is specified.

So since the TOS is right no matter what,that means this whole argument everyone is having is pointless.

What part of the weekly inspection done by Joymax, when they ban bots, doesn't allude you to the fact that they are against it? Are you blind? Do I have to type in brail?

Edit: for all you slow witted dumb shits, the TOS states under the policy against system abuse, the disallowance of use on third party programs that gain you an advantage. By Joymax's practice, this translate to include bots.

Edit 2: until Joymax says "We shall leave the decision of whether to bot or not, up to our customers" AND only until that day that such a declaration is made, then we have a debate. Until then all I read is some retard bullshit one sided debate on why it's ok to cheat.

Learn to quote please.


So wait you are happy the argument you were using to prove your point is false?



See the thing is you are wrong. You think this joining a bot powerlevel party is some magical loophole that absolves you of all responsibility and keeps you clean. It does not. You are still guilty. You are just lucky as they don't ban people for being hypocrites here.



You should get both sides to the argument and stop listening to only what disenfranchised botters tell you. Any confed member can shoot down what you said in half a second. Lets lay it plain. You bot in any of their guilds and the character is banned from all legit guilds. However they are not kicking someone out saying they can never come back. That you would even claim such only speeks to the depth of your ignorance. You could have botted and got your character banned from a confed guild. If you re-rolled a new character and never botted it you would gladly be allowed to participate. They are tired of people who destroy the game and tollerating unrepentant cheaters. They however do not hate the person only the deeds. If someone repented/rerolled they have no problem end of story.



And yet you would have us use bots by being in their party etc etc etc. You are a hypocrite plain and simple.



Points to server flag next to name. Obvious answer is obvious.

You don't have a complete freedom of speech on these forums. Bot support is against the forum rules. If you openly support bots, the SRF Mods can shut you down and remove you from this place, no questions asked.

It's just amazing to see all the pointless arguments people try to make to support botting. I guess if rules aren't enforced very well, we should all break those rules huh?

Until they are called out by name in the TOS and asked not to bot personally they will argue it is joymax's approval of them botting. It really does no good to call these hypocrites names. Even debating them is pointless as they just debate in a circular fashion and once you have defeated all their arguments they will just start bringing up arguments you already defeated as if they were new. All so they will never have to admit they were wrong.

I don't think I will ever convince these hypocrites otherwise and if you think you can well you don't know the depth of their self delusion. I only do this because I get bored at times and enjoy making them look like fools for these arguments. That is the best you can hope for in these threads.

You have patience ping_lo (and prometheus) and I respect you guys for that. I don't have the patience, but I find it entertaining to declare idiocy when I see it.

Simply question. Simply answer. A game is there to play and not like a movie, watching your stupid bot killing mobs.

Yup. We need to get busy baning more people to help them understand.




Until some government somewhere takes over this forum you and I are SOL on free speech. The mods "could" ban me if they wanted and I would honestly have no recourse. The mods "should" ban you as you violate the rules and clearly do not belong here if you seriously think you are right.



Wow and I thought the debate could not get any less intelligent. You are impressive in a bad way. Botting saves no money. You are the weakest link/mind. Goodbye.



LOL I don't even play the game anymore because of people like that/you. So no I have not seen nor do I care what somew hypocrite has done. I am off playing a real game. I just enjoy exposing such foolish arguments for what they are.



Yes you are not arguing against the TOS. You are making the claim that since it does not call you out by name and tell you personally not to do this or that that you and everyone else is free to do as you please. lol

I find that reference (slow witted) offensive. Nowhere did I state I supported bots, nor did I state I wanted to use the TOS to support bots. I wanted to find something that unequivocally stated that Joymax is against bots. Stating they are against it yet banning only a tiny fraction? Their "weekly bot bans" of 3000 bots when the servers are full of over 110,000 bots are simply amusing. I don't suppose you were around when they'd actually ban 25,000 or 30,000 bots?

Now then, since you take it to a personal level, please have fun on ignore.

hmmm... just think... If botting was not against Joymax's TOS, then Joymax would have no justification for performing their "massive bot bans". Granted these bans are mostly aoigaoriab gold bots, but they are still bots, and still got banned for doing so.

Bot supporters can make all the arguments they want, but even if the TOS doesn't specifically say "BOTTING IS BAD. NO BOT!" It still forbids the use of illegal third party programs, AND some bot users get banned for botting.

What else is there to argue about?

I'm not arguing that at all. My point was, the TOS was changed some time ago. Doesn't anyone else remember that it used to specifically state that?

I apologize to you for making you think that I only called you slow witted and a bot supporter. I would like to make it clear that I also accused you of being blind, stupid and ignorant (in no particular order). Not just you though, that goes to all people who think that Joymax are just Farking with us when they ban "only" a few bots every inspection. Joymax doesn't differentiate between goldbots/playerbots/botsbots/clientless/whatever, they just ban bots. Incompetence doesn't mean they suddenly condone an action. Why the **** am I having to explain this to you?

Well my comment wasn't directed at you, but to the bot supporters out there. I know exactly where you're coming from. I too remember when the TOS specifically forbid botting. I remember the old threads on SRF that made a big deal complaining about the TOS being silently changed to a more generic "illegal third party programs". I also remember the 25-30,000 bot ban lists.

Incompetence or simple ignorance, or worse yet inability to cope with the bot problem, Joymax has not fully addressed it.

Whether or not it's wrong is obvious. (edit: see my sig)

edit 2: btw, the poll is superfluous - whether or not I think a friend who bots is decent and nice is irrelevant.

Dumb kid.

What i'm saying is, no matter what happens in game there will always be people bitching and whining about how unfair things are. To be "legit" is impossible because there always be some dipshit crying about how everyone else is cheating or doing something illegal to get the upperhand. If people werent botting in sro, there would be something else for you guys to cry about in-game. I would rather get plvl to the cap than waste my time grinding for hours on end with your sorry ass.

/thread win.

Chill guys, your kinda starting to insult each other instead of staying on topic.

They ban bots, but the fact still remains that they purposely changed their TOS to be more vague. I think JM realizes that it's going to take a lot of effort and manpower to ban all bots so they've resorted to banning easy clientless spambots and keeping their cash cow.

The best argument imo of JM lack of support against botters is how they simply just stopped showing up. Never in a mmo have i seen a game with less presence of a GM. They obviously still say it's bad for pretense, as we can see by the weekly bot "ban", but it still remains that they'd rather open new servers and rake in more cash than make the game fair.



Here's something from today that seriously makes me see why ppl bot, the game is called Silkroad, so you would assume that the main part of the game is to be able to go along the SRO and trade, hence triangular conflict: (taken from my rant topic)

Great so i get on my euro nub to try and do the trader glitch thing to get thieves to attack others. I'm lvl 41 so I have no more protection. I get 1 item, go out the gate, thieves start spawning. A 9d blader comes out of the city and kills me than runs back inside and teleports away. I figure eh, i'm on my job suit, might as well do a trade run. Get 1 star, go out the city get killed by a lvl 47 thief. I run back out, use offering and kill the thief. Grab my loot and go on. I get a lvl 70 hunter luckily along the way and we go/I see that lvl 47 thief again. I use bless. I get all the way to constantinople's gate. Than a 10d thief comes out and kills my hunter and me. So what have i learned?

This game's main jobbing and gameplay system is farked. A 10d being able to kill a freakign 5th deg nub? Even if I have hunters like the gameplay system intended, I still have to have a capped 10d player to have a chance to make a trade run, unless I get lucky and all thieves are afk. With this system, if they can't kill you, they'll just find someone who can. And how can i get a capped 10d hunter to help me? I won't give them as big a profit as if I was a lvl 90 trader. So all I can do is sit and grind until i'm cap. Yay, so according to Joymax, the original SRO was nothing more than a grindfest with only super powerful thieves, hunter, and traders. The rest of us low lvls can die... -_-

It might be a game where you're suppose to actually play, but besides repetitive grinding, you can't really PLAY it unless your idea of playing is to die over and over and over, in which case you must be some really messed up masochist.

Now I'm not one to call other people names on a forum, but how can you call someone a "dumb kid" and then turn around and say it's impossible to be legit because there will always be other people crying about cheaters?

That doesn't even make sense

To say it's impossible to be legit is just absurd.



So you start off your rant by saying you were trying to take advantage of a glitch in the game. Last I checked, that is also against the TOS, but I digress...

There's nothing wrong with a 10d thief being able to kill a 5d trader. Of course Joymax recommends using hunters, with good reason, but there are also other things you should do as a trader including perhaps staying off the main paths, using scouts, that sort of thing. If you had a scout go to the constantinople gate ahead of you, you'd know that there was a thief there. You can't just wait for a high level thief to come find you, then complain that he killed you.

I still see no reason to bot.