Warrior Cleric; best or best?

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

StacE wrote:

Fly... It's an MMO. You win by playing more. How is that skill?

How about we start another colony on a new server Fly. And pretend it's as strong as the others so we can talk about how good we are? Sounds fun ye.

EDIT* Hang on I'll give the game some credit. There is some skill involved. The skill level to reach peak though is so small that anyone can pick it up in a matter of hours to days. Once you learn when to press 2 and when to press 3 there is no better way to do it. The situation is the same every time. The way to beat someone is the same every time.

i was not talking about venus. i was talking about all servers in general. there are players with skill, and they are players that suck.

if you dont realize that players are able to have skill in an mmo, them you must be one of the players that suck.

iv seen full sosun players get taken down by players with no sosun... on xian.

iv seen players with full sosun pvp after they sell there sosun off, and die over and over due to lack of skill... on xian.

iv seen weak ass hybrids chars do amazing in pvp just because the player knew what he was doing.

iv played this pos game since alpha test and its not hard to spot a player with skill.

i have a warrior/cleric. i sucked ass at it. so i deleved cleric and use it only as a group pvp / pve char. i can say that i have no skill at a euro warrior. then someone like asyamura with the same exact build, same gear, goes and kills every single well known pvper with ease. i can say that when it comes to euro warriors, Asyamura is on a whole new skill level then me.

now im building a chinese archer and so far im undefeated to anyone my level. i watch dumbass archers pvp against Khaara (90 ff wizard) and they lose 100% of the time. im 100% sure that i would destroy him with an archer. i never see them use any kind of tactics in there pvp. they dont use there range. archers outrange wizards by far. they dont use firewall to cancel out a high hit. they dont zip back when drouted. they stand there trying to spam skills with no mp. fireblow and they die. watching those morons pvp was what made me go and make a chinese archer.

oh and fyi, the day avalon quit xian, we had the top 2 pvpers in our guild and we were the only active jobbers on the server. we did not quit to go somewhere easy. we quit cuz we were too friendly with everyone on xian. we had known them for 2 years and no serious rivalry existed anymore. if anything could make me quit venus, it would be the fact that we are undisputed in pvp atm.

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

basically warrior/cleric or warrior/warlock and any kind of 2 h warrior are over powered at this cap..and im sure everyone is aware of that.. so regardless who plays it gonna pwn. Unless he's a total retard..
heck even a lucky crit from a 2h warrior is enough to take down a pure int with full sun...

dont you wonder why almomst every1 is pwlvling their noobie warrior build?

it'll be interesting to see warrior vs warrior..guess who has the most lucky crits win

anyhow i do believe you need some skill and know your build weakness well to do great in pvp.

lookslike u've pwned all the sosun holder in oasis atm..gratz

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

Fly wrote:

StacE wrote:

Fly... It's an MMO. You win by playing more. How is that skill?

How about we start another colony on a new server Fly. And pretend it's as strong as the others so we can talk about how good we are? Sounds fun ye.

EDIT* Hang on I'll give the game some credit. There is some skill involved. The skill level to reach peak though is so small that anyone can pick it up in a matter of hours to days. Once you learn when to press 2 and when to press 3 there is no better way to do it. The situation is the same every time. The way to beat someone is the same every time.

i was not talking about venus. i was talking about all servers in general. there are players with skill, and they are players that suck.

if you dont realize that players are able to have skill in an mmo, them you must be one of the players that suck.

iv seen full sosun players get taken down by players with no sosun... on xian.

iv seen players with full sosun pvp after they sell there sosun off, and die over and over due to lack of skill... on xian.

iv seen weak ass hybrids chars do amazing in pvp just because the player knew what he was doing.

iv played this pos game since alpha test and its not hard to spot a player with skill.

i have a warrior/cleric. i sucked ass at it. so i deleved cleric and use it only as a group pvp / pve char. i can say that i have no skill at a euro warrior. then someone like asyamura with the same exact build, same gear, goes and kills every single well known pvper with ease. i can say that when it comes to euro warriors, Asyamura is on a whole new skill level then me.

now im building a chinese archer and so far im undefeated to anyone my level. i watch dumbass archers pvp against Khaara (90 ff wizard) and they lose 100% of the time. im 100% sure that i would destroy him with an archer. i never see them use any kind of tactics in there pvp. they dont use there range. archers outrange wizards by far. they dont use firewall to cancel out a high hit. they dont zip back when drouted. they stand there trying to spam skills with no mp. fireblow and they die. watching those morons pvp was what made me go and make a chinese archer.

oh and fyi, the day avalon quit xian, we had the top 2 pvpers in our guild and we were the only active jobbers on the server. we did not quit to go somewhere easy. we quit cuz we were too friendly with everyone on xian. we had known them for 2 years and no serious rivalry existed anymore. if anything could make me quit venus, it would be the fact that we are undisputed in pvp atm.

venus is deserted,,,.. what makes you think there'll be any serious challenges that you're seeking?

Ash · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 585 **Location:** Earth

warriors are over powered & here's why
there is no downside to their defense buffs

i mean for extra damage rogues sacrifice defense . same thing for wizards.

but for warriors they get this huge amount of defense & still hits as hard as rogues in extreme with their (warriors) critical .

some players even reported this as a bug n the official forums

(warriors that are supposed to be a tanking build have very high damage)

StacE · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 502 **Location:**

Fly wrote:

StacE wrote:

Fly... It's an MMO. You win by playing more. How is that skill?

How about we start another colony on a new server Fly. And pretend it's as strong as the others so we can talk about how good we are? Sounds fun ye.

EDIT* Hang on I'll give the game some credit. There is some skill involved. The skill level to reach peak though is so small that anyone can pick it up in a matter of hours to days. Once you learn when to press 2 and when to press 3 there is no better way to do it. The situation is the same every time. The way to beat someone is the same every time.

i was not talking about venus. i was talking about all servers in general. there are players with skill, and they are players that suck.

if you dont realize that players are able to have skill in an mmo, them you must be one of the players that suck.

iv seen full sosun players get taken down by players with no sosun... on xian.

iv seen players with full sosun pvp after they sell there sosun off, and die over and over due to lack of skill... on xian.

iv seen weak ass hybrids chars do amazing in pvp just because the player knew what he was doing.

iv played this pos game since alpha test and its not hard to spot a player with skill.

i have a warrior/cleric. i sucked ass at it. so i deleved cleric and use it only as a group pvp / pve char. i can say that i have no skill at a euro warrior. then someone like asyamura with the same exact build, same gear, goes and kills every single well known pvper with ease. i can say that when it comes to euro warriors, Asyamura is on a whole new skill level then me.

now im building a chinese archer and so far im undefeated to anyone my level. i watch dumbass archers pvp against Khaara (90 ff wizard) and they lose 100% of the time. im 100% sure that i would destroy him with an archer. i never see them use any kind of tactics in there pvp. they dont use there range. archers outrange wizards by far. they dont use firewall to cancel out a high hit. they dont zip back when drouted. they stand there trying to spam skills with no mp. fireblow and they die. watching those morons pvp was what made me go and make a chinese archer.

oh and fyi, the day avalon quit xian, we had the top 2 pvpers in our guild and we were the only active jobbers on the server. we did not quit to go somewhere easy. we quit cuz we were too friendly with everyone on xian. we had known them for 2 years and no serious rivalry existed anymore. if anything could make me quit venus, it would be the fact that we are undisputed in pvp atm.

You're trying to prove that there is skill involved in SRO. All you are showing to me is that there are idiots in SRO. It does not take skill to push 5 to zoom backward with phantom. That is not skill, that is logic. SRO is a game entailing logic - but for anyone other than your average turk, logic shouldn't be hard to come by.

There is a very minuscule amount of skill involved.

I have played this game in Alpha and have been around SRO since about Day3. So there you go. My only difference is that i quit at the beginning of this year... Since then about 0 has changed.

You were not the dominant force as a guild on Xian. Otherwise you would have held the fortress. NIKE were your friends? Didn't they take fortress?

Over it. Anything Asy can do only requires the push of a button. The only small element of skill is acquiring timings.

LillDev!l · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2587 **Location:** OTL&OG

i woul'nd say its overpowerd "no matter who plays it".
im a bower, level 80.. gap4, no premium and a Reasonable set (+4/5 stuff, close to max blue).
Most off the warriors off my level cant even kill me at all.
If a warrior does daredevil, just put on a shield, and the damage will be low + they have a lower chance to crit. or knock them back... after getting knocked down, phantom away, they slow anyway if they dont have a drug on.
best pvp i've had in a longg time was also a warrior, level 81 with a sos+5 and premium, we had some good pvp's xD

warrior is a nice build if you ask me, people should just learn to use axes / 1hand a bit aswell, coz most just put on a 2hand sword, both skins at the same time, and start spamming daredevil... and that aint working ^^

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

StacE wrote:

Fly wrote:

StacE wrote:

Fly... It's an MMO. You win by playing more. How is that skill?

How about we start another colony on a new server Fly. And pretend it's as strong as the others so we can talk about how good we are? Sounds fun ye.

EDIT* Hang on I'll give the game some credit. There is some skill involved. The skill level to reach peak though is so small that anyone can pick it up in a matter of hours to days. Once you learn when to press 2 and when to press 3 there is no better way to do it. The situation is the same every time. The way to beat someone is the same every time.

i was not talking about venus. i was talking about all servers in general. there are players with skill, and they are players that suck.

if you dont realize that players are able to have skill in an mmo, them you must be one of the players that suck.

iv seen full sosun players get taken down by players with no sosun... on xian.

iv seen players with full sosun pvp after they sell there sosun off, and die over and over due to lack of skill... on xian.

iv seen weak ass hybrids chars do amazing in pvp just because the player knew what he was doing.

iv played this pos game since alpha test and its not hard to spot a player with skill.

i have a warrior/cleric. i sucked ass at it. so i deleved cleric and use it only as a group pvp / pve char. i can say that i have no skill at a euro warrior. then someone like asyamura with the same exact build, same gear, goes and kills every single well known pvper with ease. i can say that when it comes to euro warriors, Asyamura is on a whole new skill level then me.

now im building a chinese archer and so far im undefeated to anyone my level. i watch dumbass archers pvp against Khaara (90 ff wizard) and they lose 100% of the time. im 100% sure that i would destroy him with an archer. i never see them use any kind of tactics in there pvp. they dont use there range. archers outrange wizards by far. they dont use firewall to cancel out a high hit. they dont zip back when drouted. they stand there trying to spam skills with no mp. fireblow and they die. watching those morons pvp was what made me go and make a chinese archer.

oh and fyi, the day avalon quit xian, we had the top 2 pvpers in our guild and we were the only active jobbers on the server. we did not quit to go somewhere easy. we quit cuz we were too friendly with everyone on xian. we had known them for 2 years and no serious rivalry existed anymore. if anything could make me quit venus, it would be the fact that we are undisputed in pvp atm.

You're trying to prove that there is skill involved in SRO. All you are showing to me is that there are idiots in SRO. It does not take skill to push 5 to zoom backward with phantom. That is not skill, that is logic. SRO is a game entailing logic - but for anyone other than your average turk, logic shouldn't be hard to come by.

There is a very minuscule amount of skill involved.

I have played this game in Alpha and have been around SRO since about Day3. So there you go. My only difference is that i quit at the beginning of this year... Since then about 0 has changed.

You were not the dominant force as a guild on Xian. Otherwise you would have held the fortress. NIKE were your friends? Didn't they take fortress?

Over it. Anything Asy can do only requires the push of a button. The only small element of skill is acquiring timings.

when we left xian, nike was a weak guild with 5 active members. fortress war update was still5-6 months away and no one even knew it was comming.

iGod · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 3728 **Location:**

Could someone delete venus-related posts?

Anyway, warrior/cleric is great, but I like my warlock subclass better, kills a little faster, "tanks"(as in barely gets hit) a little better unless the other guy has holy spell, which doesn't really make a difference with warriors since you have skins/vital increase after they're out.. But its vulnerable to other warlocks.. Luckily theres not many of those on olympus for obvious bot-related reasons.

KoRniziWa · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:** germany

pff lol stace...

im better in switching than alot of other players, for sure...

just look at youtube, even if ppl say : "wow, great switching, your the master" i see plenty mistakes in their tactic

its not just bashing skills, but bashing the right one in the right sec

for example, ppl bash sprint and daredevil... often they dont do sprint, but dare - followed by sprint, even if they wanted sprint first
(using sprint after daredevil is a huge disadvantage, since followed by kd (normal after dare) it often bugs... and this kd-bug is annoying as hell
if you press it right, youll always do sprint-dare in the right way

other thing is, most "button-bashers" switch that bad, that they got "normal hits" between their attacks... normal slow hit, kd too late, getting knockdownd of enemy, dead... for example

another thing is, you gottabe careful what you press, if you stun with sprint, you shudnt use turn rising on the stunned enemy, better off daredevil it or use double swing or so (stun-extra dmg) followed by dare

thats just examples--- once again, most ppl known as good switchers arent even good at it, seems like its NOT that ez, lol...

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Mousetrap wrote:

weymouthhall wrote:

@ Mousetrap, with your robe sets like that, against other warriors with heavy armor set full blue pimped or warrior/rogue like me, you wont even have a chance of winning, to be honest :roll:

mmm.. second link in first post; the guy has 4 suns and som legs heavy armor and I beat him so I guess I have a chance o.O.
lrn2reed

+1..
just abou EVERYONE as far as i know forgets about something very important in robes.. "faith"
getting a 20% bonus healing from your cleric skills (that already heals perfectly) is just insane. yesterday i was pvping a rogue/cleric while i was in robes. the guy had a nice +5 dagger with high critical against my +3/4 robe set, and i literally tanked the hell out of him. ended up in a one-sided 6-1 total score (the one time he won in being with a 33k critical 'prick').
not entirely sure about that, but i thing robes are the best thing to wear for tanking with a warrior or a cleric or a warrior/cleric.

nicolasvc2 · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 404 **Location:** no loca

Not all builds need skill
Glavie u dont need a **** off skill just always same attacks maybe a litle bit with the mag def skill.
warrior/cleric u need some skill to switch fast from wep

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

I liked the Warriors when noone played them ... when everyone tough Rogues are much much better than Warriors ... Now everyone rolls Warriors and we got server filled with Warriors thinking they are the best ...

I'm rolling Chinese now... a Farking str bow with maxed light and fire so I can hunt down uniques and look sexy with 10th degree bow in female 1mil thief suit... Yeah

KoRniziWa · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:** germany

hm, i prefer light armor...

having rod equipped, you ALWAYS get the bonus, always take less dmg
healing or not healing

for the healing, you have to actually use the skills, and ur deff is really one-sided... ur deff will be even lower over all cuz of reinforces

you might be too late healing a crit almost killing you... if you take less dmg you can spam some hard healings and survive... well.

honestly, im also more afraid of crits, than of high nukes... its relativly ez to interrupt nukes and stuff, but glavier stun+ crits or rouges own sometimes...

but robes imo arent the worst choise, heavy is ^^

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

KoRniziWa wrote:

hm, i prefer light armor...

having rod equipped, you ALWAYS get the bonus, always take less dmg
healing or not healing

for the healing, you have to actually use the skills, and ur deff is really one-sided... ur deff will be even lower over all cuz of reinforces

you might be too late healing a crit almost killing you... if you take less dmg you can spam some hard healings and survive... well.

honestly, im also more afraid of crits, than of high nukes... its relativly ez to interrupt nukes and stuff, but glavier stun+ crits or rouges own sometimes...

but robes imo arent the worst choise, heavy is ^^

dunno.. i used to underestimate nukes b4. all i can say is that wizards do damage almost equal to criticals with life control on. also criticals are specific hits on yourself, unlike nukes that do splash damage, so u get hit by them the most in group pvp. one last thing is the mana cost.. skills in the cleric tree take huge ammounts of mana for a full STR cuz cleric is supposed to be an INT.

KoRniziWa · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:** germany

hm yea, if you really gotta spam heals less mana cost is nice...

im not often in the situation to not have enough mana...hm well both is nice... robes are just lil more anti-int and light lil more against all

best is having both ^^

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

the_wicked wrote:

hmph.

i hate idiots.

You should <3 idiots, who else are you going to get a cheap laugh from?

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

StacE wrote:

Fly... It's an MMO. You win by playing more. How is that skill?

How about we start another colony on a new server Fly. And pretend it's as strong as the others so we can talk about how good we are? Sounds fun ye.

EDIT* Hang on I'll give the game some credit. There is some skill involved. The skill level to reach peak though is so small that anyone can pick it up in a matter of hours to days. Once you learn when to press 2 and when to press 3 there is no better way to do it. The situation is the same every time. The way to beat someone is the same every time.

The only time that a different situation is presented is through the use of randomized blocking and critting. But that detracts from the idea of a skillful game. There should not be luck involved in a game requiring skill.

Well this is retarted, if you are implying that you can pick up when to do a certain skill in a certain situation. That applies to anything in life, from playing Basketball to boxing. You always pick up when to do a certain thing at a certain point. There is skill within the game and people with your mentality are what makes up 95% of the Silkroad population, making my 88 blader a$$ own so many with a crappy set.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

pot fight, the guy that has the most pots would win[/quote]

are you kidding me lol, the warrior cleric would rape the warrior warlock.. all the warlock sub can do is give bleed (which both of the ones I recall pvping didn't use) and a quick stun.

@stace you sound like a tard, lul. There's luck in just about every game I can think of.. except chess or something gay >_>.

@mango best post in thread award[/quote]

Its not about the warrior/cleric build, its about how each player play their build
Idk how good warrior/warlock is but I seen Rouge/warlock rape warrior/cleric over their skins/bless. and absolutely NO, a warlock can do more then just bleed those with holy spell.
* I have won every pvp vs 2hand/cleric without a 2hand sun, or not loose against them, not that i'm bragging about it but that is the truth so far. there might be a few in this forum from troy server that have seem my pvp style vs 2hand.

Again all about who plays the character, I seen strong glaviers(or any build) and some that are a joke at pvping even with a +5 set.

the_wicked · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:19 pm

I admit personally there isn't much competition on venus but there are at least 1-2 strong, skilled players of each class (for the most part) on venus. And I have to admit the only ones, as a warrior cleric myself, that I have had trouble killing is glaive in rediculous armor, blader, and pretty much any good char in snowshield (prot glaive force with snow, s/s snow)

However, I don't lose often. I have died a few times, even split a series with a glaiver 4-4 once. TBH, im not gonna call warrior cleric the best build out there, but in even 1v1 with similar gear the war cleric will win most of the time.

@fly : asya is a noob. <3
@flamers: shut up, keep on topic stop being f@ggots

SoulReapr · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:41 pm

Man thats rubbish about Warrior/Cleric being over powered and lol @ Warrior/Warlock they suk in my eyes im a Warlock/Cleric and warrior/warlock is justa easy target as all my debuff work on them due to no holy spell or resistance.

Im a hybrid Warlock/Cleric and my gear is pretty bad but i can still beat warrior/clerics that use +9 2 hands in pvp the die pretty fast even if they use bless+mana skin i still nuke them for 9k an with panic an curse an bleed there health draisn fast.

There is no such thing about overpowered classes in sro i can easily say im overpowered due to me winning most my fights but it comes down to luck when stuns land or crits take off its all about luck and knowing hw to play your char.

Btw i only have two sosun parts so i aint a sunwhore

the_wicked · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:49 pm

SoulReapr wrote:

Man thats rubbish about Warrior/Cleric being over powered and lol @ Warrior/Warlock they suk in my eyes im a Warlock/Cleric and warrior/warlock is justa easy target as all my debuff work on them due to no holy spell or resistance.

Im a hybrid Warlock/Cleric and my gear is pretty bad but i can still beat warrior/clerics that use +9 2 hands in pvp the die pretty fast even if they use bless+mana skin i still nuke them for 9k an with panic an curse an bleed there health draisn fast.

There is no such thing about overpowered classes in sro i can easily say im overpowered due to me winning most my fights but it comes down to luck when stuns land or crits take off its all about luck and knowing hw to play your char.

Btw i only have two sosun parts so i aint a sunwhore

lol?

what weapon? +20? lol

FF 90 pure int warlock nukes me for like 2k dmg with skin on >_>

slimshady · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:16 pm

euros are gay and ruined the game

/thread

Infectious · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 212 **Location:**

slimshady wrote:

euros are gay and ruined the game

/thread

1. Euros aren't gay.
2. They don't ruin the game.

slimshady · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:30 pm

Ever hear of the word TAXI? or how about the triangular conflict being changed when they came...

Infectious · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 212 **Location:**

slimshady wrote:

Ever hear of the word TAXI? or how about the triangular conflict being changed when they came...

Just because wizards make good powerlevlers doesn't mean that they're gay/ruin the game. And yes, I'll admit that the triangular conflict did change when Euros were introduced, but most people have gotten over it.

Corrupt · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 548 **Location:**

Warriors should be the "tanks" like other mmos & not be able to crit dmg equal to a nuker. 2hander shouldn't even be allowed to cast skins they are able to tank a shit load w/ skins and still do outrageous damage....

Every 2h skill except triple has a chance to interrupt the opponents attack while doing 6-9k normals with 15+k crits and still able to cast skins so you nuke them for 5-9k while having 30k+ hp...I'd say that's pretty crazy.

Infectious · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 212 **Location:**

I guess they do do lots of damage for a tanker, but the time to use most of their skills are so long that you've got a good chance of cancelling their attack.

frankaslt1 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 421 **Location:** leit

Euros are realy inbalanced, they suppose to suck at 1v1 and pwn at group, but now they pwn in 1v1 and group pvp they are godlike, china chars can't do a shit in group pvp. Yes they r inbalanced and yes clerics pretty much ruined the game. Every time there is job war some undressed clerics show up and make it to endless fight which get bored after 20min and every1 leave.

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:58 pm

The power of euros.

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

Warrior/Cleric isn't the best: I'd have to agree with albel, the most problems I've had against chinese are against glaivers in protector/armor or bladers...fought a blader in armor once (omfg went on for about 15mins before we called it quits).

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