More Hollow Threats from Joymax

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

HawaiianMix wrote:

quality products produce more money .... it is insignificant to listen to this rumor "they are testing to see if bots vs clean servers makes more money"..... small brains produce small outcomes

So if they ban 1000 botters that buy 300 silk a month, and it gets filled up with 800 legits that buy 300 silk a month they make more money? A lot of botters spend money on bots, I would assume this makes them more likely to spend money on silk.

"Small brains produce small outcomes."

Thats my favorite part about this forum. I post something I find to be a perfectly reasonable opinion, and get flamed for it.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

I dont think they see where people are spending their silk, atleast on what servers ...
I mean, when you buy silk, you buy it on your account, for all servers...

Floor · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 103 **Location:**

hmm... If this thing is true, i wonder how dead SRO would be in a month.

Bg_DrEaM · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1354 **Location:**

Sad but true, they will need A LOT of time if they ban all bots to revive the game, gain new players and then to achieve the numbers they gain now....

Taelys · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 846 **Location:**

I don't agree with that, the game revived already once after introduction of the Europe expansion.

There are lots of new games that will come out very soon by other companies and I think that they are afraid to loose too many players and income if they continue like this; new players leave the game after a couple of days when they see all the bots running around or because they aren't able to login. So they started cleaning up: first the new TOS regulations (protecting them better against account charge back) that you have to approve even as old player everytime you buy silk. Limitation of the number of accounts per IP. They started cleaning up bots. Some removed bot accounts on Eos are very huge silk buyers and since very long, the union master owning the fortress was banhammered (it's like banning fly from Venus), another union master got a ban too, and accounts with hundreds of silk and coming from other servers were also removed. This is very evident on Eos where the players didn't reach the cap and full farmed yet and mostly run on a bot. On older servers when you reach level 90 and are full farmed you simply don't use a bot any further, you just connect for a bit of socialising, chatting, going to FW or trading or doing stuff with guild maties.

So my guess is that are cleaning the stuff a bit up before launching a next game expansion probably because they are too afraid of not having enough players after Aion and other games came out.

WickedFever · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 30 **Location:** ISRO

if joymax saying is true. Bye bye all lvl 90 FF. and welcome low lvl legits LOL. Dead ISRO.

Taelys · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 846 **Location:**

You can get level 90 as legit, but not in one month. A legit can achieve what a bot is doing it's just more time consuming.

:wink:

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

WickedFever wrote:

if joymax saying is true. Bye bye all lvl 90 FF. and welcome low lvl legits LOL. Dead ISRO.

If they left only lowbies, game would blossom...
People would join servers, new players would come, there would be low level parties ...
There would be more trade runs ...

MissLe2 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 809 **Location:**

also banning of bots make room for people to log on
so much time is wasted trying to log on sometimes, that there is less time for grinding, or the players go to other games
of course if bots were gone, then legits would fill the spots, servers would be crowded, but not as much, so it would be better
parties would become poplular again,
newbs will be more in evidence,
guild union activity would be more
so there would be more benefits
way more benefits than negatives
that is if JM is really working to improve things

MonstaH · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1550 **Location:**

OMG HAX

Obama becomes president and JM directly starts becoming serious

:shock:

yeah... we will see how this turns out

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

MonstaH wrote:

OMG HAX

Obama becomes president and JM directly starts becoming serious

:shock:

yeah... we will see how this turns out

Yes, link two completely different things together making it seems as if they were what made a difference. I think Joymax is just "making" itself look better because Aion is to be released 1st quarter of 2009. Everytime a "big" game release is out, Joymax seems to clock in and actually work.

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

Hmm OTG has a point, JM have a history of doing things like this, all in all it sounds good, mabye to good to be true, but we shall see. after this the only thing left to do would be to increase the ammount of exp per kill, or lower the sp/exp requirments per lvl to make the game a little easier. (think about it, if was as easy to cap on sro as it is on WoW, there would not be as many bots on sro in the 1st place)

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

JKMB wrote:

Hmm OTG has a point, JM have a history of doing things like this, all in all it sounds good, mabye to good to be true, but we shall see. after this the only thing left to do would be to increase the ammount of exp per kill, or lower the sp/exp requirments per lvl to make the game a little easier. (think about it, if was as easy to cap on sro as it is on WoW, there would not be as many bots on sro in the 1st place)

I doubt they'll do that. As for any free game the grind is longer because they usually have an item mall which you have to purchase items in order to increase the amount of EXP you get. Silkroad is the only game I've played in which you would purchase an item in order to be able to log in. Pretty sad but oh well. Im pretty sure once Aion is out a few months after we'll see old Joymax back into place.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

MissLe2 wrote:

also banning of bots make room for people to log on
so much time is wasted trying to log on sometimes, that there is less time for grinding, or the players go to other games
of course if bots were gone, then legits would fill the spots, servers would be crowded, but not as much, so it would be better
parties would become poplular again,
newbs will be more in evidence,
guild union activity would be more
so there would be more benefits
way more benefits than negatives
that is if JM is really working to improve things

Oh my Joynax.we seem a bit active lately

MidnightMan · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:29 pm

Joymax isnt affraid to ban silk buying bots, they're afraid to ban silk buying bots that pay with Paypal.

If too many people charge back silk because of being banned Paypal will drop them as a customer due to the amount of complaints and hassle to keep them and if JM loses Paypal they loose their method of payment for about 50% of the silk they get. So untill they get a differnt form of payment or drop paypal all together I will be surpised to see a paypal paying customer get banned.

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

MidnightMan wrote:

Joymax isnt affraid to ban silk buying bots, they're afraid to ban silk buying bots that pay with Paypal.

If too many people charge back silk because of being banned Paypal will drop them as a customer due to the amount of complaints and hassle to keep them and if JM loses Paypal they loose their method of payment for about 50% of the silk they get. So untill they get a differnt form of payment or drop paypal all together I will be surpised to see a paypal paying customer get banned.

I totally agree. So if the bastards screw me over by those random innocent bans. I'll have my finger ready for their assholes. Chargeback biatches!

HawaiianMix · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

Shadowfox542 wrote:

So if they ban 1000 botters that buy 300 silk a month, and it gets filled up with 800 legits that buy 300 silk a month they make more money? A lot of botters spend money on bots, I would assume this makes them more likely to spend money on silk.

For one, I would say at least 40-60% of the original player base has quit because of being prevented to log in or in ability to level up due to bot congested grind areas. Now how do companies make their money? Updates, customer service, AND KEEPING THEIR CUSTOMERS. If you produce a quality game, guess what happens, more people use it and profits increase. If servers are filled with 90% gold bots and users who multi-client then you not only lose but prevent brand new customers whom would have given you a higher increase in profits.

If Joymax was serious about making real profits, they would have done it years ago. 30+ servers filled with REAL CUSTOMERS will produce far more income then a few hundred botters who buy premium.

They do not need gold bots to infest servers to force people to buy premium. All they have to do is fix their game and promote it so that they gain new customers. Then MAKE SERVER CAPACITY SMALLER in which then premiums become sensible. It's not that hard to use simple logic.

Quote:

"Small brains produce small outcomes."

Thats my favorite part about this forum. I post something I find to be a perfectly reasonable opinion, and get flamed for it.

Considering that sentence was not referring to you would mean you were not flamed. Assuming does not get you far in life.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

I'm glad to hear about Joymax banning silk-buying bots. *does happy naked dance*

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

OTG wrote:

JKMB wrote:

Hmm OTG has a point, JM have a history of doing things like this, all in all it sounds good, mabye to good to be true, but we shall see. after this the only thing left to do would be to increase the ammount of exp per kill, or lower the sp/exp requirments per lvl to make the game a little easier. (think about it, if was as easy to cap on sro as it is on WoW, there would not be as many bots on sro in the 1st place)

I doubt they'll do that. As for any free game the grind is longer because they usually have an item mall which you have to purchase items in order to increase the amount of EXP you get. Silkroad is the only game I've played in which you would purchase an item in order to be able to log in. Pretty sad but oh well. Im pretty sure once Aion is out a few months after we'll see old Joymax back into place.

Nah, even with goldtickets the grind is still near enough impossible and kSro have a lower exp requirement then we do iirc, it would be nice if someone could confirm that though.

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

JKMB wrote:

OTG wrote:

JKMB wrote:

Hmm OTG has a point, JM have a history of doing things like this, all in all it sounds good, mabye to good to be true, but we shall see. after this the only thing left to do would be to increase the ammount of exp per kill, or lower the sp/exp requirments per lvl to make the game a little easier. (think about it, if was as easy to cap on sro as it is on WoW, there would not be as many bots on sro in the 1st place)

I doubt they'll do that. As for any free game the grind is longer because they usually have an item mall which you have to purchase items in order to increase the amount of EXP you get. Silkroad is the only game I've played in which you would purchase an item in order to be able to log in. Pretty sad but oh well. Im pretty sure once Aion is out a few months after we'll see old Joymax back into place.

Nah, even with goldtickets the grind is still near enough impossible and kSro have a lower exp requirement then we do iirc, it would be nice if someone could confirm that though.

Well with all the 24/7 botting, powerleveling, and cheating from gold buying, you can get a character to 80 in less than 3 weeks. Which seems pretty fast. For legits it takes longer, but at least we got that sense of pride that we actually worked for the improvement of our character.

What does iirc mean? *blushes*

joymaxbg · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 34 **Location:**

Next thing they need to do, a little bit "a must" for me, its the e-mail verification, in terms that when you make new account, they send you e-mail, you go to your mailbox and click link, or verify something and then your new acc is ready for use, i think this will slow down the gold bots a bit.. my theory

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

joymaxbg wrote:

Next thing they need to do, a little bit "a must" for me, its the e-mail verification, in terms that when you make new account, they send you e-mail, you go to your mailbox and click link, or verify something and then your new acc is ready for use, i think this will slow down the gold bots a bit.. my theory

yeah because now they gotta make email accounts too.

Bg_DrEaM · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1354 **Location:**

OTG wrote:

What does iirc mean? *blushes*

If i remember corectly it means "if i remeber corectrly"
Or no

iGod · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 3728 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

I'm glad to hear about Joymax banning silk-buying bots. *does happy naked dance*

Not only bots apparently, guildie got banned on a char he was powerleveling, bought silk as well

joymaxbg · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 34 **Location:**

yeah, imagine if they start to make for 32 servers, approx. 150-200 (perm firm) acc's for gold bots, yeah this is a hell lot of emails, they will annoy

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

OTG wrote:

quote="OTG"]

JKMB wrote:

Hmm OTG has a point, JM have a history of doing things like this, all in all it sounds good, mabye to good to be true, but we shall see. after this the only thing left to do would be to increase the ammount of exp per kill, or lower the sp/exp requirments per lvl to make the game a little easier. (think about it, if was as easy to cap on sro as it is on WoW, there would not be as many bots on sro in the 1st place)

I doubt they'll do that. As for any free game the grind is longer because they usually have an item mall which you have to purchase items in order to increase the amount of EXP you get. Silkroad is the only game I've played in which you would purchase an item in order to be able to log in. Pretty sad but oh well. Im pretty sure once Aion is out a few months after we'll see old Joymax back into place.

Nah, even with goldtickets the grind is still near enough impossible and kSro have a lower exp requirement then we do iirc, it would be nice if someone could confirm that though.[/quote]

Well with all the 24/7 botting, powerleveling, and cheating from gold buying, you can get a character to 80 in less than 3 weeks. Which seems pretty fast. For legits it takes longer, but at least we got that sense of pride that we actually worked for the improvement of our character.

What does iirc mean? *blushes*[/quote]

3 weeks is a very long time for lvl 80 if you are cheating since getting capped in WoW can be done in less than 3 weeks legit, other free online games have lowered the exp requirements and they are doing fine...

sorry about messing up the quotes, I dont understand how that thing works

Blindfire · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 3844 **Location:** ...

Until they start banning IPs they won't fix the problem.

Mephala · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 21 **Location:** EIdorado

i started to play sro when Eldorado opened.till lvl 68 i play withouth premium.some days i was trying to log in like 6-7 hours :shock:

log in 3 min then dc..log in 10 min dc.then at lvl 68 i buy my first premium.was the most happy day of my life.since 2 months i am lvl 90 ff.so 2 years almost...i wold had made it faster if i could log in and play and not waste months trying to conect.now i wanna try to help my guild mates to lvl up by makeing them plvl.but where? everywhere is full of goldboters r boters :banghead:

so after 1h of ks i get so angry that i prefer to log off.ofc before i start to plvl i serch for like 20 min a decent place where r just 2-4 boters ksing.i am happy that joymax is taking attitude.never is to late.

sama98b · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1428 **Location:**

Blindfire wrote:

Until they start banning IPs they won't fix the problem.

Dynamic ip-s noob

fReDdArZ · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 107 **Location:**

HawaiianMix wrote:

For one, I would say at least 40-60% of the original player base has quit because of being prevented to log in or in ability to level up due to bot congested grind areas. Now how do companies make their money? Updates, customer service, AND KEEPING THEIR CUSTOMERS. If you produce a quality game, guess what happens, more people use it and profits increase. If servers are filled with 90% gold bots and users who multi-client then you not only lose but prevent brand new customers whom would have given you a higher increase in profits.

If Joymax was serious about making real profits, they would have done it years ago. 30+ servers filled with REAL CUSTOMERS will produce far more income then a few hundred botters who buy premium.

They do not need gold bots to infest servers to force people to buy premium. All they have to do is fix their game and promote it so that they gain new customers. Then MAKE SERVER CAPACITY SMALLER in which then premiums become sensible. It's not that hard to use simple logic.

+1, Joymax no longer have their "REAL CUSTOMERS" they used to have. The game is already exploit infested.
The game guard doesn't even block 3rd party programs as other games would do as default.
My friend IRL and in SRO botted already the time I switched to WoW. Hes still not banned. So this is not true, maybe on clientless only.

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