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wrong! one time when the botters gathered and were not at work (avalon preens holding the fw while the rest of the server is at work at FW time...) they simply raped avalon in a gw.
check youtube for this.


sold his set before 10D sos weapons were promised and is still active.

thanks for info .
anyways i'm looking forward to D10 maybe that brings the spin in game, seems like Avalon is based on Euro chars,,, and i heard rumors about how strong the D10 Bow chars are.

Is Avalon an exception ? Is the time any different for them? Is the time any different on Venus then? Your argument is FAIL.

24/7 kb is it actually, but that alone wont kill anything >.<

Yes they are an exception, they still seem to care about this game, about this fort-status, people seem more dedicated to the game on Venus than i have ever experianced on any server i have been on.

so respect Fly/NB work including every propaganda machine they used here on SRF.

Cuz most of the people att the fort are complete dumb asses? About the bots and the noobs getting plvl to high lvl and being fully farmed.. Most of them are noobs when it comes to pvp, thats for sure. But believe it or not, some bots are much better than a legit.. Take Plus44 for example from Olympus. One of the strongest players.. He didnt have any sun.. Just an ordinary +5 set and glavie.. And still he raped a lot of players.. Revje..He didn`t have any sun either.. But raped other noobs.. I bet if the other unions will get some good expirienced SRO player, they may rape Avalon for sure. But.. I doubt that`s gonna happen anytime soon..

You're talking about one vs one fights that doesnt work in FW where you have full 8/8 pty of people who played together on the server since day one. And if the whole Avalon union shows up thats atleast 5 full euro parties who played their chars together since day... I,m sorry but the days of chinese 1 vs 1 fights are over...on venus at least.

You seriously need to quit flaming Venus already. Until the day you manage to take the fortress yourselves with a legit guild, you have nothing to say about Avalon, and that's it. All these threads about venus go nowhere, and you know it, I don't see the point in making them when there's already 999 about it, except to get attention, which I believe is the sole prupose in them other than to flame avalon for nothing.

Yeah but that was a pretty meaningless win for Epic if they had to recruit a whole bunch of people, even from other servers, just to win a guild war.

I should start my own guild and take over the Jangan fortress all by myself! Meh, Avalon would just 1-hit me by breathing on me if I even tried.

Avalon Union

Other.

Won't go there due to all the flames from the venus people. All the older BHA people know why we never attacked. Its not worth bringing up old wounds, that will only just start more shit for those who stayed to become Fly's minions and nightblooms drones. Enough said.

Well, Avalon lost against Epic simply because they recruited people from other servers, and different guilds on the server for just that one GW, they also had many of their Lv90s delevel so they'd get more points for killing Lv90 players. Avalon had 1 or 2 outside people join their guild for the war, nor did any of Avalon's Lv90 delevel just to get more points. Even with all their efforts, Epic didn't even win by 1k points. If Avalon sucked so much they would've lost by more than under 1k points with all the efforts Epic put in for that one GW.

Sadly, yes. We, still know why lol.

This is in GD. I have every right to comment on. didnt realize that GD was off limits to me as well. Dam, maybe you guys should petition SG to change the name of all the forums to Venus section, to keep all of us to stop posting at all. Hell petition SG to change the name of the site to Venus forums. Then give nb and Fly the controls so they can bann everyone who they don't like, and then you will have two forums to trash all the rest of us in

It was a poll, i answwered it, didnt go into detail on it. You should be happy that I didnt.

Oh hai Dan

Ontopic: Avalon is a strong guild. If you think otherwise your deceiving yourself. I've yet to see anyone beat them in a 8/8 vs 8/8 party. Probably never will.

Simple.

Because no other server has guilds who handgrind 100% not even getting plvl'd. At least with 35+ active members.

Most people are used to comparing two groups of people who haven't handgrinded at all. Both the holding guild and the attacking guilds are 95%+ botters and plvlee's on other servers. They don't know how to play.

IF any other server had a union full of legits that handgrinded 100% of the way, they'd easily take it from whoever owns it too.



It's not about being euro, most of the server is euro. The only chinese are generally the 24/7 bots. Most chinese get to 90 realize they're shit, and reroll a euro.

Also, avalon union has more gold then the entire rest of the server combined (excluding goldbots). So we hold more sun then anyone else and we have the best gear/weps possible.

PS: Sinner, your logic is flawed. What you are comparing is two bot's pvping. In 1v1. 1v1 =/= fortress war. Botters do NOT play well together in groups. They simply dont, this is because they don't do it at all. Ever. Except for GW and FW, and in that time all they do is run off alone.

Compare revje or Plus44 to a legit who's handgrinded their way all the way up, which don't exist on olympus anymore. (For the most part). And I'm sure they'll suck. Or better yet, compare their guild to a real legit guild in a real guild war without recruiting/outside bullshit.

There's no way to actually measure that. You were doing okay until that point.

Cuz Avalon is strongest guild on Venus, simple.
Can someone please forbid posting Venus threads in General Discussions please.

while this is true for venus if you go to any other bot server i bet you can find someone who knows how to play thier char.

Exageration of course. Not literally. But combined, we have a ridiculous amount. Probably around half of the capped chars have over 500mil. Some close to a bil.

Do the math. 50+ weeks (not sure exact) x 500mil. = 25bil...at least. In otherwords, we've gone through over 25bil since the server started. lol. Just on fortress war money alone.


EDIT: @ those who are saying "well on other servers bots know how to play their char". Fail. They're good compared to other people they're pvping, which in general, are other bots, equal or stupider then them. No other server has a legit population big enough to actually pvp bots, if they did, they'd slaughter them.

Take mObscene_ for example. Big time bot on venice aparantly. He came to venus thinking he was tough shit, and he left the server within 5 months of being here. After he capped, he quit, realizing, he and his crew may have been "good" in venice, but in venus against real players, he and his guild are shit.

Hey, I've never had a single sun piece, or a ton of gold, when I was in Avalon...

Yeah, 1on1 pvp is much different then a GW or FW... They don`t play as a team? Sorry to tell you, but the botters on your server are complete butt heads. As you know, Babel has a lot of bots on it. And tbh 70% of them are much better as a team then legits... We had wars back at 70 cap.. The legits got owned. We had it at 80 cap. Owned again. I`m not saying botters are better. But some of them are better then a legit, thats for sure. I don`t know if Plus44`s guild would`ve owned a legit guild, since I only played on Olympus for a few days, on my friends char. But I do know Revje`s guild was one of the strongest on Babel. When Legit guilds still existed. Tbh, I think some of you are just afraid to admit that there are botters that are better than legits.. And why? Cuz you guys think if a person is handgrinding his char to cap ff is much expirienced. Lets say its a Warrior Lock. Yeah, the legit may be more expirienced. But when it comes to a build which doesn`t need fast switch, it depends on the pvp tacktic. And let me say, if you think botter will only spam 1213141411 etc, you never met a proper one. From over 2 years of playing on Babel, I gathered a lot of expirience. I know what a proper one can do. And tbh, I`ve never met a really strong legit on Babel for over 2 years I`ve been playing, except for Amalie. She`s the only STRONG legit I`ve met there. Others just sucked really hard. Oh yeah, and Jexx, who was the strongest glavier, if not the strongest player on the entire server. You guys own Venus just cuz you made there botters life - hell...
I respect you guys for staying legits, and getting to where you stand today. But tbh I`m so sick of some Venus players.. Wan`t a real challange? Join any other server, find a proper guild, with good communicated players. I bet they`ll own you without a problem. If anyone here played on Babel, take for example Eminence,Asian United and Unithekal. They owned 95% of the guilds on babel in GW.. I doubt your on their level..

lol 70 cap and 80 cap. lvl 70 cap: full sos set hoes owned legits... lvl 80 cap : full sun set hoes owned legit... im pretty sure there wasnt that many legit chinese that could stand up to bots. 80 cap euro: euro 8/8 party rapes chinese bots... lvl 90 cap : 8/8 legit euro party rapes chinese and euro bots again...

LOL bots pvp bots if you didnt have any strong legits it's not our fault and i'm sorry but euro changed A LOT so stop bringing 70 cap and before euro 80 cap that's just pointless... Oh and you say we have weak bots... well I say you have weak legits. How bout that find me a strong legit guild on Babel and then prove something once again don't bring 70 cap it was then not now. Venus had strong bot guilds(probably xD) but where r they now... yea after wining... what one single guild war for the whole time the server exists... i say that is pretty sad for the mighty bots...

Avalon has like half the capped players as any top guild in other servers. Yeah blabla I know they got it legit, but if we are talking about how strong a guild is, there are much stronger.

Unethikel was a no name guild until everyone panicked thought it was 90 cap sold their sun dirt cheap and uneth bought it all up. To compare guilds like that to other servers doesn't make sense. You can never actually pit them against each other. There's no point in try you can bring in numbers, you can bring in your experience on your server but it all boils down to the fact that they can never fight each other so there's no point in argueing who would win. Avalon holds the fort for this long because SD helped them defend it for a long time, They have great team play (I myself helped defend one gate against 2 attacking guilds with only 2 warriors 1 rogue 1 blader 1 wiz and 1 cleric. All on the ground fighting and just working together) mixed with the fact that only the dumbshit bots remain on Venus it's easier to keep then other servers. That's why they've been successful. There's no point in argueing over something else. Argue over why they've kept it for so long. Not they know their chars better or if they can take on some other guild from a different server if everything was different.

I also played on babel. And for your information, the legits on babel were the top of jobbing for almost a year. We didn't have the numbers for FW, we were a very small group. Maybe 15 people strong enough.

And you can't compare Unethikal (ROFLLLLL) to avalon. That's the biggest joke ever. My tiny little union owned them jobbing all the time. They're thieves couldn't do anything (Himmel and HitMyHeart, good times, roflsauce).

I can say from experiance that not a single guild on babel would match any guild in avalon union. You can't say that about Venus until you've played there. I played babel for 2 years as well.

Babel's legit guilds died once magistri (sp?) and Dreamnote passed on. They were strong, and don't deny they weren't. After that, there weren't enough legits to make a dent on the big bot guilds.

You also only talk about old caps before euro update, when there was NO teamplay in the first place. The botters on venus are exactly the same as the botters on babel before I left at the start at 90 cap. They all play the same, only difference is on venus we have better gear then the bots.

PS: Amalie's not legit, I've caught her botting on eye peak, I haven't posted her because she's a decent person.

Amelie with an E is though, and her and her small band of legits that tried making a comeback with the euro update did an awesome job, until they quit. They made a massive mark in babel for a while there. Only problem was there was less then 10 of them and they just didn't have the power to take on 300+ botters. And they simply were friendly with them, and helped them, not overtake.


Oh, and if you think that legits are nothing against bots, think again. I'm sure most older players (70-90 cap, not 60) on babel will remember jamoNXC and Jewro. Jewro is a joke because he ended up botting, so he's a disgrace. But every big time botter and jobber knew who jamoNXC was and hated him. That's one person. It only takes a small group to take down a massive group of bots.

lololol ur stupidity deserves it....there were no euros back then...chi =/= euro, anyone who still thinks a chi is still a useful char in large scale pvp then gtfo>>>

I love how yall say thats people who bot dont know how to play their characters. U dont think that after capping they pvp? So they kinda need to know how to hit buttons like the rest of yall to fight. No strat there.

Its so dumb how you people argue so much about a game, people use their hard earned money to play the game how they want why criticize them for that? Its not your money their using so shut up.

Also this is GD not Venus section, crap like this needs to stay in that section.

This is wrong. There's a lot of plvled people in the legit unions of Venus. Many of them go thro pfarming at ongs and caves. The originals, those that fought the most and those who still represent most of Avalon's strength did handgrind (obviously, they were there from day 1) I'll give you that, but I highly doubt any of the more recent players 100% handgrinded to the cap.



Wrong. You forgot the fact botters can afford Sun sets, what makes it much harder. But still, indeed there would be chances since legits are just more intelligent than botters. With a good strategy, it's possible.



You're always so cocky about euros. And you always end up saying bullshit, acting arrogant, flame baiting and starting flame wars with that shitty attitude of yours. You should go to jail already, we'd spend a month or two without your ignorant comments on chinese.

Chinese don't suck. You suck at playing them, but don't make it a f'cking generality. Get into into your thick skull for once.

its funny how whenever i think of going to try out venus, the negative just ends up shoving itself in my face over and over again ( this time its the avalon vs bha thing ) why srf, whyyyyyyy

the past is the past