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There's a difference between cheating in a fantasy world than in real life, you nitwits.

JM can bans you even if u don't bot or buy silks.

and other thing, legits? ...

You're an idiot lol.

Making real life comparisons to something you do on a game is fail.

Most of the people here bot and it's a fact.

The only people who do not bot now either.
1. Do not play often enough to care.
2. Have ALOT of friends who enjoy to hand grind ( rare ).
3. Are hypocrites and bot when no one is looking.

I'm glad the server is 0%.

Me too, i'm curious to see that considering I don't play sro cept like once a month to pvp and talk to friends...

I know the game is meant to be fun, but of course cheating is expected. Even in other game types ppl cheat. Hacks are common, of course they are punished quickly. Would be nice if JM would do the same. Last time i logged on, i think i had like 20 ppl telling me to get a bot and come back and join their guild. Hell, one even agreed to share his sbot account with me. I remember when one of my friends i started with started botting. We were all OMG NOOO, than saw how he shot up lvls like crazy and were amazed at how much gold he was making ( of course back than 6 mil was godly lmao ). He of course, got banned like 2 weeks later. I dunno, each time i log on i just see more and more of JM failing... Seems like they are removing more and more things from the game to help enhance a botter's experience.

Hell, I remember a great time when, during 70 or 80 cap, some capped player PMed me while i was pvping and asked me what the critical did on his wep... i than asked " bot much? " and he just said "lol yeah, straight to cap". Really makes me wonder how many capped players know what they're doing.

srry, keep getting distracted, back to topic:

I don't think cheating in a game is equivalent to cheating irl. It's more of a personal opinion of course. I mean it's one thing to cheat in real life as the consequences are real. Cheating in a game when you're just having fun is like faking an orgasm... it's just so you feel better and are having more fun. Hell, in cs, i sometimes use little tricks or bugs in the server to mess around with ppl and friendlyfire when i'm not suppose to be able to. I mean i'm pretty sure the point of that game is to kill the enemy, not blow up your entire team at the start of every round

Basically I don't cheat in real life, honor imo hasn't quite penetrated the virtual world, seeing as so many ppl act like morons but would never dare say or do the things they claim. On the web, I can feel free to be or do whatever I like. Normally I have the same name and act like normal, but I feel a lot free-er to just **** around when i'm bored. Doubt i'll be running around shooting my teammates irl anytime soon, but on the web or in a game, I do it if i get bored. SRO is prob one of the few games that I don't use cheats, simply because a) i want to have an authentic first time experience with every game, and b) my characters just has too many memories with friends.

people who try to justify botting are weak

and vice versa everyone against botting should get a degree in psychology

I wish there was like a neutral person who could judge the arguments on basis of morality.(not TOS)

Right now arguments are flying like pingpongballs back and forth without any conclusion to be drawn people in the right stay in the right,the left stay in the left.

What is there to learn?

Legit:bot =bad mkay.
Bottersupporters:Bot=Good mkay.

Conclusion????

Nevermind,too controversial,kinda like parapsychology.

conclusion: bot supporters are retard, they can't feel the consequence of their presence in the environment and they also don't want to hold responsible for the destruction of sro.

as true as this is, it can be said in the to inverse. since you have cheated in school, or stolen a car (something serious) then its very likely you have cheated on this unimportant video game.

Bot supporters aren't always botters themselves though.

Goldbots:Make server traffic hell.
Multi client bots:Make server traffic hell.
Player bots=same serverspot of legit player except afk or a babbysit botter.

Why does afk-grinding of 1 botter matter to the experience of another handgrinder?

Ok u could say,not social?Do u have a right to demand that?
U could say but he ks'es?So do handgrinders who are ***holes.

I don't see how a normal botter(not multi/goldbot) ruins the environment.This is what I see.

Botter grinds 24/7->levels faster then legit who solo's.

Legit:Thats not fair!Why?Cause he can't keep up to the joneses'

So it seems competetion would be the main reason why people hate botters.

What if you play for yourself?Not for the jonese's over there.Are u accountable to their ego?

I don't think so.So far only TOS seems to be the reason to avoid botting,but on moral grounds its very shaky.

They may not be botters, but are accomplices to their cause since they will fight you tooth and nail to see their botter friends are able to bot as they like.


It affects the environment of the game. This is a mmo, which means it is an online world. The reason for an online world is so you can interact with many players, something you cannot do in a single player game. Now, the last time I checked, bots did not have the AI chat built into them besides "imbusy" and "hi"(onoes skynet). Besides that, a bot is a bot, don't try to make it seem as if player bots are any better.


You can talk to handgrinders that ks you and party with them to possibly make friends. You can't with a bot.


Like I said above, the lack of social interaction messes up the environment.


Not just any competition, this is UNFAIR competition.


I do play for myself, as does everyone else. We are not accountable for the botter's ego, they are. Their decision to bot still ruins the experience.


I think they removed the 3rd party programs clause from the TOS... ugh.

I'm not trying to be prejudice but most player botters use multiclient for stall or plvl themself, or worst run an army of goldbots. Buying gold also count for the contribution of the existence of goldbots. I doubt the species "1 bot player, 1 server slot" even exist in isro.
Moreover, why do you try to differentiate a player bot and a gold bot, when both kill the same mob, pick the same items, using the same bot program? I'm not talking about who is behind the character, but how an external viewer could differentiate a player bot and a goldbot beside the name "agfaeg"? There is no difference thus they cause the same consequence. If you say goldbot destroy the game but player bot is then an invalid affirmation.

It seems you tried to convince yourself for not being the part of the problem, but you should listen to what ppl tell you and not yourself. Botting is wrong, is an universal truth. So no matter how reasonable your argument is, it's always flawed.

The bad things about botters imo, is that
1) Goldbots are the worse, they ruin both economy, player interaction, and server spots.
2) Playerbots are next since they occupy the same space as a normal player, 1 spot per person, the only unfairness is how quickly they rocket through the levels. The amount of player interaction is reduced as only some playerbots babysit their bots. However, I know many botters still chat with friends while botting.
3) Powerlvlbots are least annoying. They only really ruin the starting levels of a newbies experience.

Playerbots do often multi as they raise an army for themselves, but nowhere to the extent of goldbot companies. I know most ppl in my old uni has about 3-4 bots running and they would swap between characters to talk to us. An old guildmaster in my uni even had his own powerlvl team and like 4 gold bots and 8 playerbots. The solution really lies upon JM themselves. Since they don't care, it's really hopeless. We can try and be honorable as much as we want and not cheat, but for now, there's really nothing that can be done to make botting = bad.

From my own experience, on iSRO on many servers, legit = hard-headed noob. of which i don't really care or mind, I just know if you tell ppl you're legit and you're over 7d, ppl usually just say wow, and lol you're silly, want to use my bot?

It's been a LONG time since i told someone i'm legit and they said me too.... sigh...



Really? I could give half a chimp's ass of care towards botters. If they want to bot, fine it's their choice. As long as they still talk and participate in events and hang out often, i'm cool with it.



You can talk to handgrinders that ks you and party with them to possibly make friends. You can't with a bot.[/quote]

Actually, if someone is annoying, i'll ks them regardless. Most int builds are meant to ks. If i die in the process owell, but if i'm in an annoyed mood, which is why i grind in the first place, it could be a legit and i'll still ks him till he leaves or brings his friends to murder me.

I get though why botters are hated due to their unfair advantage. It's tough, but I mean with that logic, wouldn't gold buyers also be unfair due to their advantage in the economy? Guess this game is pretty farked. Maybe SRO2 will just reset the server. That would be a nice easy solution.

Alot of people play games competitively. Many find enjoyment in owning or killing other players too. Thats what "higher level" in SRO is all about. You dont grind out levels because you enjoy staring at the same monster and killing 5500-8000 of them. You do it to be stronger and higher level than other players (or at least equal, at level cap)

Its utter bullshit that if you are a legit, you do not stand a hope, chance, or prayer from hell in beating people who bot. Its a total crock they have many more skillpoints, maxxed trees, full SoS armors on and are basically untouchable because their character is working 24-7 and you cannot even compare to that amount of time played.

Its not about being lazy. Its not about having a real life, or finding the grind boring. I have a real life; a career, my own house, I go out on weekends, take vacations and still maintain a 5 day a week raid schedule. Its about people cheating. And even if you bot, but personally didnt go to donwang south and own everyones face with your uber botted char, doesnt mean your not part of the problem or didnt help ruin this game.

So what does joymax do about the problem? Occasionally sweep out gold bots to calm down unsatisfied people, and take advantage of the fact their servers are packed with thousands of bots by selling you a premium ticket, and making money off you instead.

It gets to the point where half the server is bots, and if you are any kind of competitive person, you need to either bot too to compete, or quit. I chose to quit. You bots reading this ruined the game I love, and I hate you.

2 important quotes since its quite long to cover all.
This isn't China where everyone who has dissenting views on consensus has to shut up about controversial issues.

Freedom of speech is a sweet sweet thing,if there's enough support for something as to form a good consensus that is the right thing in society regardless if somebody thinks he holds the golden key of justice.(unless ur like the prez)



If this is true then all legits are in teh wrong as joymax is the King and decide the rules on their games.What me,u or anyone thinks is wrong or right is irrelevant now.Joymax need the botters Like pred pointed out.So its only the conservative legits still holding on fast and the liberal legits slowly losing hope.How sad is that?

So imagine you played *insert your favorite FPS here* and when you joined your favorite server, everyone had an aimbot. Everyone went around mindlessly killing each other based on the best ping.

Is that fun? Would you play there everyday?


But I guess if you play on one of those servers where there is never any good parties because everyone is botting, solo grinding would be boring and no fun.

damn, talking about aimbot, I used to play Gunbound, quitted, then 1 year later, returned to it, 99% of the players used aimbot, even a noob grade could 100% hit me

Being the acquisition of the following:

1-Sense of achievement.
2-Sense of satisfaction.
3-Respect:?: (define)

Based on personal experience.

After quitting, i'll just say blah, been there done that, go play your game, don't waste your time whining over the justification of right and wrong to a bloody game.

and for ----'s Sake...

I just wasted my time again.

peace

I guess you arent employed, neither am I, but everyone says you'll get out of college dumb as ****, and you'll learn your job in praxis.

Because i like to actually play my games.
I`ve been gaming forever;
I played nintendo/ps1/ps2/ps3 and many pc games
and i never cheated in any of them even if sometimes cheats
are abundant.

Clean gaming > Nub unlegit gaming
Anytime.

Like playing duke in god mode....it sucks
Or gta3 with unlimited ammo...it sucks
Cheats = suckzors

Cheats are for weak minds.

aimbots on fps =/= to botting on a grindcore game. aimbotting is way way way way more lame. each and every kill on an fps has to do with skill and wits. unlike walking out side jangan and double clicking a mangyang. i grind in this game cause its fun/relaxing, not for my skillz. on the other hand, party grinding, pvp, and non-spawn killing CTF do require skill. so dont think im ruling out skillz in this game, just dont compare lame assd aim botting with grind botting , except on the level that cheating, is cheating, is cheating.

also, on a side note, botting leaves people skilless as far as where it is required in this game. so in actuality, those who grind are better off than those who cheat, unlike an fps where peoples head get knocked of before they go around a corner.

the game itself is a corrupt whore that will never go straight and those that play "legit" are like the gullible boyfriend who drives her around and waits in the car while shes off on another exploit...in short chumps! What better example is there and what else could you say about someone like this?
Botter may not deserve respect for taking advantage but legit player doesn't deserve any either for staying. One of the most common sense ideas is that if someone doesn't respect themselves than noone should respect that person either. well guess what, the game is that person. It doesn't enforce it's own rules, doesn't care about you :] . Point is in this situation there is no room for personal sense of honesty, honor or loyalty, please check those at the door. There is only two reasonable choices

1. treat her like complete dirt.
2. Leave and never come back.

"I contributed to the downfall of Silkroad and all I got was this T-shirt"

Hmm first off, I just want to say that I love all the posts so far. Great to just hear everyone's opinions, so Thank-you.

The problem is that unlike in other game-types like fps, when you cheat, you don't get any better. This does not equal cheating is no fun. Hell, me and my friends finished the achievements on l4d and now we have cheats on 24/7 on our server. It's funny as hell to watch ppl barricade themselves only to have me destroy it or spawn 30 witches on top of them. Cheating can be fun, hell anything can be fun considering fun is defined by personal taste.

The thing with SRO is that it's true those who bots don't have the skills necessary for pvp and ctf etc at first, but after they cap or they get bored, they learn over time. Sure they suck at first just hitting random skills, but after awhile, they figure out what does what.

Yes i know legits can also compete against full botters and goldbuyers, but how many legits have the time necessary to build up enough gold and level with ONLY 1 main character. I know me and my friends do it, but we're always 1-2 degrees behind the cap. I quit with 8d, he kept going. Now he has a full sun 9d set, but he's still nowhere near lvl 90 or into the 10d since the prices are just stupid. A few hardcore gamers will be able to compete on equal grounds with 1 bot players, but with the number of botters around, they will just simply own you. Venus is just the only exception i know. But when you look at all the other 30+ servers... it's obvious that the legits are a minority.

From what i personally have seen, most legits either quit or just give up. Only a few handful of hardcore legits make it to the cap to do battle against the hundreds of capped botters with all silk items and sun or whatnots. If you are one of the few hardcore legits, than props to you for being able to do all that. For a more casual gamer like me, i'm just gonna chill at the sidelines and see what happens next.

The real life comparisons really fucking crack me up LOL. Talking like you have a degree in psychology... GTFO

Not having a degree in psychology doesn't mean u can't know about something.Appeal to authority,faulty logic bro.Weakest argument i've read in this thread

No... the weakest argument was a comparison between a botter and a car thief... still crying with laughter on that one.

Oh ok now that u point that out its another story:)