An Idea to get rid of gold bots. MUST READ

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:39 am

Thomas42 wrote:

Progress wrote:

It could be done. The program would have access to all the information the client has access to. A trade bot could definitely make reactive decisions. Bots do this all the time when they grind.

Considering the extreme number of bots, I think the goldbot companies are very motivated to write this kind of bot should your system ever be implemented.

I think I saw a trade bot once, and it couldn't make 'reactive decisions'. Like getting off its ox when I attacked it. The best part was that it always tried again. I think I made ~20m that day.
/offtopic.

If you are the only one who knows it's path, then you can make lots of money right?

JBerlyn · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 211 **Location:**

If this system got implemented, I can see people enjoying the bots being there, although bots wouldn't remain on the game for very long, as everyone would be a thief and kill them. Maybe a new Thief VS Thief PVP possibility? Haha.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:14 am

JBerlyn wrote:

If this system got implemented, I can see people enjoying the bots being there, although bots wouldn't remain on the game for very long, as everyone would be a thief and kill them. Maybe a new Thief VS Thief PVP possibility? Haha.

There are always ppl who will be hunters and protect the goldbots.
Gold buyers = ally of goldbots. Unless a sosun bot is in your side, otherwise thief or hunter, food is still food.

JBerlyn · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 211 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

JBerlyn wrote:

If this system got implemented, I can see people enjoying the bots being there, although bots wouldn't remain on the game for very long, as everyone would be a thief and kill them. Maybe a new Thief VS Thief PVP possibility? Haha.

There are always ppl who will be hunters and protect the goldbots.
Gold buyers = ally of goldbots. Unless a sosun bot is in your side, otherwise thief or hunter, food is still food.

I doubt gold buyers would waste their time protecting those that they purchase from. Most just purchase gold then go on their merry way.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:54 am

Yeah but when they get that no trade bots mean no gold to buy, they will protect their suppliers

Drabon · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 44 **Location:**

XMoshe wrote:

Yeah but when they get that no trade bots mean no gold to buy, they will protect their suppliers

i would rather hunt a player trader than a bot trader :roll:

i mean you are protecting the bot investing time and gold. You are gaining no gold for the successfull trade (cause you are not in the party). And on top of that you will buy the gold for real money, which should be partially yours anyway.

XxDeeDeeDeexX · **Joined:** Jun 2009 **Posts:** 555 **Location:**

Only good thing I can conjure of trade bots is this: They wont scream Fack u Mather/sister/brother/papa/grandma/grandpa when you kill them. Well, that and they'd be extremely easy to kill. They would never reach a high enough level to defend themselfs.

JBerlyn · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 211 **Location:**

I think I would just kill them no matter what. I enjoy listening to them abuse me. It's always funny to laugh at the stupid people.

asusi · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 3223 **Location:**

i know there will be always players who won't agree with the map i made... but i think its best way to lure bots and murder them there..(marks given on maps) its runescape based map,,, it works on Runescap this should work on silkroad too. its not finished or so, but just to give a little idea how it could look like on silkroad

_sr972_ · **Joined:** Jun 2009 **Posts:** 22 **Location:** /dev/null

BloodyBlade wrote:

I am 100% sure trade bots exist.
Take a look at the silkroad online website, and the highest traders are TraderGirl and TraderBoy. They were already the highest 2 years ago, when I started on silkroad. =/

1. A trade bot exists / is in a working beta. Thats fact. It also has some kind of rules to act on dieing and so on blabla EDIT: btw, the tradebot does 1* trades with level <40. Clientless. If you pick 8-X traders, thats enough gold for 24/7 trading

2. TraderGirl and TraderBoy are real players, not tradebots and they've done a lot of trades on Xian. I've hunted them too with highlevel FF chars in 80 cap and so. They dont use a tradebot, but if they both were bored they started to trade for 10 hours/day ^^

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Lol this thread is serious?

ghostkilla43 · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1991 **Location:**

asusi wrote:

i know there will be always players who won't agree with the map i made... but i think its best way to lure bots and murder them there..(marks given on maps) its runescape based map,,, it works on Runescap this should work on silkroad too. its not finished or so, but just to give a little idea how it could look like on silkroad

Im sorry but that idea is pretty dumb imo

Yeah you have safe zones but, lets say your grinding in one of those red zone, what is gonna stop some level 100 from raping that shit out of you?

asusi · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 3223 **Location:**

ghostkilla43 wrote:

asusi wrote:

i know there will be always players who won't agree with the map i made... but i think its best way to lure bots and murder them there..(marks given on maps) its runescape based map,,, it works on Runescap this should work on silkroad too. its not finished or so, but just to give a little idea how it could look like on silkroad

Im sorry but that idea is pretty dumb imo

Yeah you have safe zones but, lets say your grinding in one of those red zone, what is gonna stop some level 100 from raping that shit out of you?

max level atack other person? 10 levels above you can't attack you ? :wink:

how deeper you go in the danger zone how higher lvls can attack you.

CeLL · **Posted:** Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:30 pm

ryan1166 wrote:

@BloodyBlade: Make the gold account bound?

i tell you what, this is THE best idea i have ever seen...

Amro · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 1380 **Location:** Slovakia

imagine thief bots lol

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

we all know jm likes money... the chances of 1 guy with 50 clients paying 50x$20 a month is very slim...

the chances of 50 players playing $20 each is VERY VERY high. THEREFORE!!!!
BAN ALL BOTS TO LET THE DAMN LEGITS PLAY THE FKING GAME

JBerlyn · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 211 **Location:**

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

_sr972_ · **Joined:** Jun 2009 **Posts:** 22 **Location:** /dev/null

JBerlyn wrote:

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

1. Changing all packet subjects? they only can change the OPCode. And its just 1-2 days work, to get all new packet OPCodes. The other stuff is based upon the Media/Data PK2 files and could be easily read out of it.
2. "then encrypt them much more than they already have." LoL'd my ass off. there is nothing encrypted. its a nice system (and effective btw!) how the build up the OPCodes.
3. Salting would be ok, but could be cracked easily in 1-2 days too. MD5 isnt possible, cause MD5 is basing on the machine's system time. even the iSRO servers arent syncronized in time.
4. MD5 decrypting isnt impossible..

Amarisa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4049 **Location:** Magic

if joymax sells gold then the gold companies will sell for less.......

_sr972_ · **Joined:** Jun 2009 **Posts:** 22 **Location:** /dev/null

Amarisa wrote:

if joymax sells gold then the gold companies will sell for less.......

+1
Thats what i thought too

JBerlyn · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 211 **Location:**

_sr972_ wrote:

JBerlyn wrote:

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

1. Changing all packet subjects? they only can change the OPCode. And its just 1-2 days work, to get all new packet OPCodes. The other stuff is based upon the Media/Data PK2 files and could be easily read out of it.
2. "then encrypt them much more than they already have." LoL'd my ass off. there is nothing encrypted. its a nice system (and effective btw!) how the build up the OPCodes.
3. Salting would be ok, but could be cracked easily in 1-2 days too. MD5 isnt possible, cause MD5 is basing on the machine's system time. even the iSRO servers arent syncronized in time.
4. MD5 decrypting isnt impossible..

1. They can change the packet subjects sent between the client to the server and vice versa.
2. Even so, they can use MD5 to hash the packet subjects.
3. Based on system time? Do you even know what MD5 checksum algorithms are?
4. Okay. Now that made me laugh. It is impossible to crack MD5. It isn't an encryption method, it is a checksum value. I would put millions of dollars on the fact it cannot be cracked. They have a crap load of tables that can be purchased for comparing hashes, but believe me, it can't be cracked and if you think it can, you are an idiot.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:08 am

- remove the selection system: you can only attack the mob if you are near enough
- remove the coordinate system: bots can't return to the spot using waypoints anymore

Progress · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 304 **Location:** Earth

JBerlyn wrote:

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

If the client can decrypt the packets (which it must be able to) the owner of the computer can also do so.

Obfuscation would probably help a bit. But none of these things would of course beat a GM in each town 1-2 hours/week. Or maybe if they actually read the reports about gold bots...

NuclearSilo wrote:

- remove the selection system: you can only attack the mob if you are near enough
- remove the coordinate system: bots can't return to the spot using waypoints anymore

Wouldn't really help. If you can see a monster on your screen, the bot can read its location from memory. That works for coordinates as well. The client (and server) must still keep track of where a character is located. And unless someone says otherwise, im of the opinion that the game does not use the coordinates shown on the screen internally.[/quote]

_sr972_ wrote:

JBerlyn wrote:

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

2. "then encrypt them much more than they already have." LoL'd my ass off. there is nothing encrypted. its a nice system (and effective btw!) how the build up the OPCodes.
3. Salting would be ok, but could be cracked easily in 1-2 days too. MD5 isnt possible, cause MD5 is basing on the machine's system time. even the iSRO servers arent syncronized in time.

Are you saying that if i generate an MD5 string from something on this computer, that result would be different on another computer if the clocks are not in sync?

BloodyBlade wrote:

Thomas42 wrote:

Progress wrote:

It could be done. The program would have access to all the information the client has access to. A trade bot could definitely make reactive decisions. Bots do this all the time when they grind.

Considering the extreme number of bots, I think the goldbot companies are very motivated to write this kind of bot should your system ever be implemented.

I think I saw a trade bot once, and it couldn't make 'reactive decisions'. Like getting off its ox when I attacked it. The best part was that it always tried again. I think I made ~20m that day.
/offtopic.

If you are the only one who knows it's path, then you can make lots of money right?

Bots can read the packets (and send their own). So they can certainly send the "get off ox" packet if a certain situation arises.

keep your stuff in one post, this is your only warning, and i just realized i cant delete posts in gd.

Progress · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 304 **Location:** Earth

NuclearSilo wrote:

- remove the selection system: you can only attack the mob if you are near enough
- remove the coordinate system: bots can't return to the spot using waypoints anymore

Wouldn't really help. If you can see a monster on your screen, the bot can read its location from memory. That works for coordinates as well. The client (and server) must still keep track of where a character is located. And unless someone says otherwise, im of the opinion that the game does not use the coordinates shown on the screen internally.

Progress · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 304 **Location:** Earth

_sr972_ wrote:

JBerlyn wrote:

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

2. "then encrypt them much more than they already have." LoL'd my ass off. there is nothing encrypted. its a nice system (and effective btw!) how the build up the OPCodes.
3. Salting would be ok, but could be cracked easily in 1-2 days too. MD5 isnt possible, cause MD5 is basing on the machine's system time. even the iSRO servers arent syncronized in time.

Are you saying that if i generate an MD5 string from something on this computer, that result would be different on another computer if the clocks are not in sync?

Progress · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 304 **Location:** Earth

BloodyBlade wrote:

Thomas42 wrote:

Progress wrote:

It could be done. The program would have access to all the information the client has access to. A trade bot could definitely make reactive decisions. Bots do this all the time when they grind.

Considering the extreme number of bots, I think the goldbot companies are very motivated to write this kind of bot should your system ever be implemented.

I think I saw a trade bot once, and it couldn't make 'reactive decisions'. Like getting off its ox when I attacked it. The best part was that it always tried again. I think I made ~20m that day.
/offtopic.

If you are the only one who knows it's path, then you can make lots of money right?

Bots can read the packets (and send their own). So they can certainly send the "get off ox" packet if a certain situation arises.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:40 pm

Quadruple post...Nice >.>

lopasas · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 733 **Location:**

XMoshe wrote:

Quadruple post...Nice >.>

i thought it was triple, but then i saw it
im proud of him xD

Achilles990 · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1338 **Location:**

Goldbot = Cancer cant get rid of them!

JBerlyn · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 211 **Location:**

Progress wrote:

_sr972_ wrote:

JBerlyn wrote:

The only way clientless bots can be stopped, is if Joymax changes all the packet subjects they use for Silkroad Online's client, then encrypt them much more than they already have. They could use a salt string and MD5 hashing to read and send the message subjects. Then weekly, they can change the salt string to something else, which would only require 2 lines of work each week. This would ruins clientless bots, as by the time they decrypted the packet subject to use for their bot application (which with MD5 is impossible), Joymax will have changed it the next week.

This system isn't even difficult. Since all message handling in the server is done in a single function as far as I know. I could code it if I was given the opportunity.

2. "then encrypt them much more than they already have." LoL'd my ass off. there is nothing encrypted. its a nice system (and effective btw!) how the build up the OPCodes.
3. Salting would be ok, but could be cracked easily in 1-2 days too. MD5 isnt possible, cause MD5 is basing on the machine's system time. even the iSRO servers arent syncronized in time.

Are you saying that if i generate an MD5 string from something on this computer, that result would be different on another computer if the clocks are not in sync?

If I generate an MD5 hash on this computer with a file, then you generate something with the same file in a different country, they would not be different.

Do me a favor, go research about checksum algorithms before posting. My suggestion will stop all clientless bots, I just don't think Joymax has the programming knowledge to do so.

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