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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:33 pm 
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well i agree and disagree with the global thought on this:

Agree:
1 star popping is part of the game, live with it. If you want to avoid it, stop trading or take the long routes and take a horse.

The only thing is...
Hunters are supposed to protect trades, that's what they are here for.
But... even as a level 50 in hunterjob you get owned most of the times...
Lower level traders have some kind of advantage: being the 1* trades.
Low level hunters have none. Even if they just hunt for a 1 star trade to prevent being popped (or sandwiched by earth ghosts) they get killed always. They are easy bait for al high level thieves out there...

In my opinion:
you can easily go on a trade when you are level 25+ (do 1 stars)
you can easily thief when you are 25+ (just pick out those who think you can handle)
you get owned as a hunter till you are 60+... Hunters can always be attacked upon...


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achmalach wrote:
In my opinion:
you can easily go on a trade when you are level 25+ (do 1 stars)
you can easily thief when you are 25+ (just pick out those who think you can handle)
you get owned as a hunter till you are 60+... Hunters can always be attacked upon...


Even if you stick to 1 stars and take the long route, you still have to cross the ferry. A lot of thieves tend to camp around the ferries and the crossroads leading to them.

Thieving at 25+ is fine if you just pick out those you think you can handle... until a higher level hunter (or 2 or 3) finds you.

True hunters can always be attacked, but thieves can always be attacked too. Traders have protection (1 star) against thieves, but thieves don't have protection against hunters and hunters don't have protection against thieves.

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What I think makes so many people angry about 1 star popping, is that you loose 2% xp if the npc kills you.


To all low level players, when you are going for a trade, look around if there are higher levels trading too. Ask them if you can go with them, don't just stalk them and hope they will help you.

Stay on your trade animal all the time and always keep alot of animal hp potions and extra camels/horses with you. Don't stay behind of the trader that helps you, you will get all the spawns on you. Better to be a few steps ahead and maybe help out scouting for poppers.

If you will be attacked by poppers, there are 2 options. If the other trader can take care of the thieves, stay close. If he/she can't, keep moving forward all the time. Maybe someone high enough will take them out for you. Or run to the nearest ferry/town if you are lucky to be close. Don't forget to pot pot pot. As long as your animal is alive you are safe.

Just a few tips that might help you out.

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Alfred wrote:
What I think makes so many people angry about 1 star popping, is that you loose 2% xp if the npc kills you.


To all low level players, when you are going for a trade, look around if there are higher levels trading too. Ask them if you can go with them, don't just stalk them and hope they will help you.

Stay on your trade animal all the time and always keep alot of animal hp potions and extra camels/horses with you. Don't stay behind of the trader that helps you, you will get all the spawns on you. Better to be a few steps ahead and maybe help out scouting for poppers.

If you will be attacked by poppers, there are 2 options. If the other trader can take care of the thieves, stay close. If he/she can't, keep moving forward all the time. Maybe someone high enough will take them out for you. Or run to the nearest ferry/town if you are lucky to be close. Don't forget to pot pot pot. As long as your animal is alive you are safe.

Just a few tips that might help you out.


True.
OR: Get to a decent lvl when you can protect yourself from lvl cap NPCs.


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Megalomaniac wrote:
Alfred wrote:
What I think makes so many people angry about 1 star popping, is that you loose 2% xp if the npc kills you.


To all low level players, when you are going for a trade, look around if there are higher levels trading too. Ask them if you can go with them, don't just stalk them and hope they will help you.

Stay on your trade animal all the time and always keep alot of animal hp potions and extra camels/horses with you. Don't stay behind of the trader that helps you, you will get all the spawns on you. Better to be a few steps ahead and maybe help out scouting for poppers.

If you will be attacked by poppers, there are 2 options. If the other trader can take care of the thieves, stay close. If he/she can't, keep moving forward all the time. Maybe someone high enough will take them out for you. Or run to the nearest ferry/town if you are lucky to be close. Don't forget to pot pot pot. As long as your animal is alive you are safe.

Just a few tips that might help you out.


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OR: Get to a decent lvl when you can protect yourself from lvl cap NPCs.


And what level would that be? What is the cap for NPC thieves? If NPC thieves can be lvl 60, then I guess a player should wait until he/she is about lvl 60ish before trading?

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PR0METHEUS wrote:
Megalomaniac wrote:
Alfred wrote:
What I think makes so many people angry about 1 star popping, is that you loose 2% xp if the npc kills you.


To all low level players, when you are going for a trade, look around if there are higher levels trading too. Ask them if you can go with them, don't just stalk them and hope they will help you.

Stay on your trade animal all the time and always keep alot of animal hp potions and extra camels/horses with you. Don't stay behind of the trader that helps you, you will get all the spawns on you. Better to be a few steps ahead and maybe help out scouting for poppers.

If you will be attacked by poppers, there are 2 options. If the other trader can take care of the thieves, stay close. If he/she can't, keep moving forward all the time. Maybe someone high enough will take them out for you. Or run to the nearest ferry/town if you are lucky to be close. Don't forget to pot pot pot. As long as your animal is alive you are safe.

Just a few tips that might help you out.


True.
OR: Get to a decent lvl when you can protect yourself from lvl cap NPCs.


And what level would that be? What is the cap for NPC thieves? If NPC thieves can be lvl 60, then I guess a player should wait until he/she is about lvl 60ish before trading?



6x is good enough to do trade runs without being popped.
Your tran can take alot of beating.
If you get popped at your 6x's get another job becuase its ridiculous.


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... i don;t get it, it a thieft job to go and steal stuff by all mean
thieft are the villan of the game, so if u get pop, it jut the way it is


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aghost153 wrote:
... i don;t get it, it a thieft job to go and steal stuff by all mean
thieft are the villan of the game, so if u get pop, it jut the way it is


You do have a point, but I see 1 star popping similar to taking candy from a baby. I mean if you're going to rob someone, go after a bigger target. Don't steal candy from a baby. The baby won't have much candy anyway, just like a 1 star trader doesn't have much loot.

The problem with that is when high level traders do a 1 star. They should be strong enough to handle themselves on a multi-star, so maybe they should get popped. 1-star trades should be limited to low level (maybe below 30?) traders so they can get some trader experience before they get high enough to handle multi-star.

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3x trader cant handle a multi star.
Any idiot can rob him.


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Megalomaniac wrote:
6x is good enough to do trade runs without being popped.
Your tran can take alot of beating.
If you get popped at your 6x's get another job becuase its ridiculous.
A 70 thief with a 3+ star load inside in the dead ravine often equals death to a low 6x trader. With all the spawns in that crowded area, you will have a hard time to get away. I could handle 3, maybe 4, 70 thieves with some struggle at 60, but not more. And if one had ice imbue... I wouldn't kill them fast enough to avoid the next spawn.

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well at level 52 i was able to tank a level 70 npc thief..
but because i used to switch to ice and keep KD and stab..

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Megalomaniac wrote:
3x trader cant handle a multi star.
Any idiot can rob him.


Should be doable especially if you use hunters. That's what hunters are for after all. A 3x can use some of the same techniques for multi-star as a lower level does for 1 star. Use less traveled routes, use a scout to check out the ferry areas before you approach to make sure there are no thieves, if you see a thief, turn around and run, calling hunters. It can work.

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34, STR rogue/bard (Venus)
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@ Alfred:
A really fast way to the ferry but too crowded :/ blaaaah.
Just go thru the red scorpions i barely see any theives there.


@PROMETHEUS:
Wouldnt all this take too long?
At least 35 mins per each run.


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Megalomaniac wrote:
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Wouldnt all this take too long?
At least 35 mins per each run.


Well by longer routes, I really just meant to stay off the main roads. i.e., walk through the grassy tiger area instead of the main north road to the ferry. All my trade runs between Jangan and Donwhang take about that long. I've only done 1 star runs so far, and when I do a trade run I usually just sit on my horse and use transport pots when needed. I figure if I walk, it won't be any faster because I still have to stop to wait for the horse, and if I ride, I have the protection of the horse's HP. Occasionally I'll get off the horse and fight if an ice thief freezes me and I'm running low on trans pots or something.

How long should a run take? I might have to try a 2 or 3 star one of these days. I know sitting on the horse and potting really does help. It helped me when I was a thief on a horse and two hunters, who I believe were 40+ were trying to take me down. I almost escaped.... almost.

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0x, INT wizard (Venice)
19, INT spear (Venice)
34, STR rogue/bard (Venus)
0x, STR blader (Venus)
8x, INT bard/cleric (Gaia)


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To clarify....1 star popping is NOT part of the game. If you checked the stickied Mother of all update threads. There is a trading update, Traders only spawn NPC thieves, which only attack Hunters and traders. They will never attack a non-job item wearing player. Thieves will only spawn NPC hunters, which will only attack thieves, and will not attack a non job item wearing player.

Basically when this update arrives...it is the end of all 1 star popping. Have fun while you can. Because i certainly will be popping as much as i can. :P

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lol thx for the post this is really funny , ok im lvl 22 in the new redsea server, i didnt take off my job flag when i was running to DH from JA. lol so this guy came up with the thief suit and start attacking me, 90% of my potion was down and so was my abnormal cure, he tried to hit me 3 times but i was running alot faster than him so ...i ran ....when i lost him my firend showed up and he give me everything i neede to own the thief...
i went back and saw him standing there, he didnt see me first cuz i was behind him. so i shot him with ice anti-devil arrow lvl 9, it did 339 critical, then the fight started, at the end he ran out of potion and ran away lol he was either pure str glavie or hybrid glvie, lol he ran away so chaced him until eastern ferry, he try to teleport but i shot him with auttum wind and killed him with 489 critial damage. lol freaking coward :D :D


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aznkrazykid wrote:
To clarify....1 star popping is NOT part of the game.

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Have fun while you can. Because i certainly will be popping as much as i can. :P


If it's not part of the game, then why do it? Can't handle taking down a multi-star? I know there aren't a LOT of multi-stars out there, but I've been finding them. Just have to search around a bit.

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19, INT spear (Venice)
34, STR rogue/bard (Venus)
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8x, INT bard/cleric (Gaia)


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im was a 3 star, lol as least he tried


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