how about a hybird blader?

LoveIsDead · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 74 **Location:** home

Rolf, windgod's build its not godlike but saying that you tank him at 5x is the biggest bullshit ever, i saw him kill a lvl77 glavier pretty easily yesterday, he has a pretty good build, his kds were doing like 6.5k do the glavier n his crits are decent

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:21 pm

Those who said that hybrid str or whatever sux because ppl tell them that without questioning about its validity. :wink:

im_a_bot · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

no bladers are only good as pure str id they gained more mp they would just be noobs

lol JK

Pred · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:26 pm

garbage.

STR adds max critical damage, phy defense and HP.

you want to trade that so you do less damage and tank less? ok.

PiiNoY · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 673 **Location:**

If remebering correctly JBweld from babel was a hybrid blader. One of the strongest bladers back in 70 cap.

eaglehawk · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

youshutup was a hybrid blader from babel too, he was pretty strong before he got banned.

LTB · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 181

i think a bladers fun is not to die... and anoy the hell out of ppl with kd...

i've actually thought of switching to blader cuz it looks cool xD(only if i had sosun blade tho

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Jaume · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 127 **Location:**

___ONLY___ wrote:

everyone says bla bla hybrid bladers are n00b, but nobody has made a hybrid lvl 80 full farmed blader?

Failendil on Aege server, 80, almost fully farmed

Phemy · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 31 **Location:**

Pred wrote:

garbage.

STR adds max critical damage, phy defense and HP.

you want to trade that so you do less damage and tank less? ok.

Look at the highest damage thread. Liquidsmooth had the highest damage for a while, and even still, it was just a little bit under undutchable now (who is in 3rd for bower), which could be due to how much he farmed or the weapon used. The increased int almost makes up for the damage lost from the str, so the crit ends up being almost the same. Aside from that, Liquid's normal attack would be higher than a pure str bower.

Now, a blade is a different story though, since it's mag att isn't as balanced as a bow, so the crit might suffer a tad, but the damage output would definately be higher than a pure str. Plus, with snow shield, you might even be able to tank better from other pure strs and you would for sure be able to tank better from ints.

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

LoveIsDead wrote:

Rolf, windgod's build its not godlike but saying that you tank him at 5x is the biggest bullshit ever, i saw him kill a lvl77 glavier pretty easily yesterday, he has a pretty good build, his kds were doing like 6.5k do the glavier n his crits are decent

Wait wait......he is doing that with sun? Rotflmao you do realize that I was doing that to 77+ at lvl 69 when a friend loaned me his sun blade right. lol I can do that now at 74 with 69 skills with my +5 72. Lol if what you say is true then all the "robo" time he spent on the char is a waste. :roll:

Pred wrote:

garbage.

STR adds max critical damage, phy defense and HP.

you want to trade that so you do less damage and tank less? ok.

That=truth

Take it from someone who knows guys. I have seen several of pred's chars and he builds em good. I think if anyone would know he might.

inflajmer · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 22 **Location:** Sweden

XCaosX wrote:

inflajmer wrote:

Bladers suck
no dmg, no fun to play with.

u su*k...blader is the most funny build

no you suck, and this whole forum sucks too
you all suck

soxdrop · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:57 pm

XCaosX wrote:

inflajmer wrote:

Bladers suck
no dmg, no fun to play with.

u su*k...blader is the most funny build

Indeed i always laugh while watching them suffer when they try to kill sby 10 lvl under them xD

AnemuS · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:21 pm

huh, lol probably half of u never even been hybrids, but have a big mouth to talk shit,

comeon adding INT is retarted?, look he maybe loses the CRIT power, but crit is something that goes on not much, he does trade hes crit power for OVERALL damage power, so maybe he would make little less damage with crit, but would have higher damage that compensates it, and maybe overdamages it too...

look ive never seen hybrid blader though but whatever, its not reason to say they are suqxors...

in my eyes hybrid is best build, well its for me, i dont care what people say about my build, and usually i am the one who is laughing in the end after pvps...

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:28 pm

Critical attacks not important?

Damage almost the same? I Beg to differ.

Before you speak, you should learn something about defense, builds, and character variations.

Also learn about critical values and their importance to a STR- character.

Tell that to a dagger rouge to go Hybrid, he will laugh at you.

If you dont care, then go use a critical 1 NPC blade. See how much you hit.

Damage over time.

Hum... look at my screenshot?

Thats actually one of the lowest crits I did. My highest is 43K with a +5 SoSun blade and only +50STR Bonus.

I would like to see a hybrid out damage that critical attack.

Hybrid bladers are people who screwed up their Bow build a year ago and switched because bow sucked.

Go make a hybrid bow. Bow relies on critical attacks. Has no defense. If you want to sacrifice STR for INT... by all means go ahead. That just means ill kill you faster.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

*sigh* for the last time, bladers are meant to TANK not to do dmg....

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:38 pm

DS^ wrote:

*sigh* for the last time, bladers are meant to TANK not to do dmg....

Thats a pretty dumb thing to say.

STR = HP, DEFENSE, DAMAGE

Hybrid = Half assed HP, half assed Defense and Moderate Damage.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

Pred wrote:

DS^ wrote:

*sigh* for the last time, bladers are meant to TANK not to do dmg....

Thats a pretty dumb thing to say.

STR = HP, DEFENSE, DAMAGE

Hybrid = Half assed HP, half assed Defense and Moderate Damage.

Bladers do shitty dmg, the only thing that makes them good is a shitload of HP, when that's gone there is nothing to save them. And believe me the dmg u would do is still very low.

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:50 pm

Yeah ok and I should take advice from a level 38 character?

I am a level 80 blader. Farmed. Pure STR.

If you dont want to listen to me than dont.

1:1 Blader build (any build) is a Joke. Windbot was originally a spear user.

I did shitty damage why? because the weapon is one hand and it's low. Which is why I have a SoSun blade. I KS Nukers. How's that feel? I have no 4 second casting delay and I can normal critical a Niya Hunter for 12k one shot with my sword dance or 2 hit w/ demon cut blade.

So please, don't talk about something that you dont own.

I have had plenty of Hybrid bladers in Infensus. I have trained many of them. In wars or Jobbing they are the first to die.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

Pred wrote:

Yeah ok and I should take advice from a level 38 character?

I am a level 80 blader. Farmed. Pure STR.

If you dont want to listen to me than dont.

1:1 Blader build (any build) is a Joke. Windbot was originally a spear user.

I did shitty damage why? because the weapon is one hand and it's low. Which is why I have a SoSun blade. I KS Nukers. How's that feel? I have no 4 second casting delay and I can normal critical a Niya Hunter for 12k one shot with my sword dance or 2 hit w/ demon cut blade.

So please, don't talk about something that you dont own.

I have had plenty of Hybrid bladers in Infensus. I have trained many of them. In wars or Jobbing they are the first to die.

lvl 38 ?, I play with my friends blader lvl 74 all the time...I didn't put it into my sig because it's not my. So don't act like god in the game because your lvl 80.

You ks a nuker with your blade that is sosun, so ? If the nuker also had a sosun weapon it would ks you so hard you didn't even have to walk to the mob.

If you realy think a hybrid blader would be a good idea go on and make one.

Bladers = Heavy Tanker ( not dmg dealers, they CAN do a lot of dmg but they are meant to tank )

Glaviers = Damage/ Tanker

srfer · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 212

DS^ wrote:

Pred wrote:

Yeah ok and I should take advice from a level 38 character?

I am a level 80 blader. Farmed. Pure STR.

If you dont want to listen to me than dont.

1:1 Blader build (any build) is a Joke. Windbot was originally a spear user.

I did shitty damage why? because the weapon is one hand and it's low. Which is why I have a SoSun blade. I KS Nukers. How's that feel? I have no 4 second casting delay and I can normal critical a Niya Hunter for 12k one shot with my sword dance or 2 hit w/ demon cut blade.

So please, don't talk about something that you dont own.

I have had plenty of Hybrid bladers in Infensus. I have trained many of them. In wars or Jobbing they are the first to die.

lvl 38 ?, I play with my friends blader lvl 74 all the time...I didn't put it into my sig because it's not my. So don't act like god in the game because your lvl 80.

You ks a nuker with your blade that is sosun, so ? If the nuker also had a sosun weapon it would ks you so hard you didn't even have to walk to the mob.

If you realy think a hybrid blader would be a good idea go on and make one.

Bladers = Heavy Tanker ( not dmg dealers, they CAN do a lot of dmg but they are meant to tank )

Glaviers = Damage/ Tanker

tank what?
there are no dungeons, or raids in SRO
normal players are smart enough to go after ints in guildwar. whats there to tank?

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

srfer wrote:

DS^ wrote:

Pred wrote:

Yeah ok and I should take advice from a level 38 character?

I am a level 80 blader. Farmed. Pure STR.

If you dont want to listen to me than dont.

1:1 Blader build (any build) is a Joke. Windbot was originally a spear user.

I did shitty damage why? because the weapon is one hand and it's low. Which is why I have a SoSun blade. I KS Nukers. How's that feel? I have no 4 second casting delay and I can normal critical a Niya Hunter for 12k one shot with my sword dance or 2 hit w/ demon cut blade.

So please, don't talk about something that you dont own.

I have had plenty of Hybrid bladers in Infensus. I have trained many of them. In wars or Jobbing they are the first to die.

lvl 38 ?, I play with my friends blader lvl 74 all the time...I didn't put it into my sig because it's not my. So don't act like god in the game because your lvl 80.

You ks a nuker with your blade that is sosun, so ? If the nuker also had a sosun weapon it would ks you so hard you didn't even have to walk to the mob.

If you realy think a hybrid blader would be a good idea go on and make one.

Bladers = Heavy Tanker ( not dmg dealers, they CAN do a lot of dmg but they are meant to tank )

Glaviers = Damage/ Tanker

tank what?
there are no dungeons, or raids in SRO
normal players are smart enough to go after ints in guildwar. whats there to tank?

tank mobs/other players...

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:06 pm

DS^ wrote:

lvl 38 ?, I play with my friends blader lvl 74 all the time...I didn't put it into my sig because it's not my. So don't act like god in the game because your lvl 80.

Just because you use it doesnt mean you know how to play it correctly. Its like a person botting to 80 and not knowing how to get off a Horse.
Gods dont have to pretend they are. They just know they are.

DS^ wrote:

You ks a nuker with your blade that is sosun, so ? If the nuker also had a sosun weapon it would ks you so hard you didn't even have to walk to the mob.

Are you dumb? There is a casting delay on nukes. 4 seconds. I can kill a monster quicker if it's low enough. Also you should learn about Knockdown .

DS^ wrote:

If you realy think a hybrid blader would be a good idea go on and make one.

This is retarded. I've stated that Hybrid bladers suck. Why would I want to make one?

DS^ wrote:

Bladers = Heavy Tanker ( not dmg dealers, they CAN do a lot of dmg but they are meant to tank )

Learn the difference between Chinese and European classes. Learn character design.

DS^ wrote:

Glaviers = Damage/ Tanker

Glaivers are not tanks. Just because they can take damage due to slightly higher HP, does not classify them as Tanks. Plus they have no defensive skills. I laugh at glaivers who use Snow shield.

___ONLY___ · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 344 **Location:**

pred you may be right but 1 disagree on 1 thing, nukers have more then 1 nuke you know :roll:

maybe you could annoy me while killing giants but i dont think you can outdamage me because not every hit is a crit unless you have a crit 15+ blade

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

Pred wrote:

DS^ wrote:

lvl 38 ?, I play with my friends blader lvl 74 all the time...I didn't put it into my sig because it's not my. So don't act like god in the game because your lvl 80.

Just because you use it doesnt mean you know how to play it correctly. Its like a person botting to 80 and not knowing how to get off a Horse.
Gods dont have to pretend they are. They just know they are.

Play it correctly ? lol believe me I've playd long enough to know how bladers play. I just don't like grinding and i'm not going to bot..
i'm lvl 3x for 3 months now

DS^ wrote:

You ks a nuker with your blade that is sosun, so ? If the nuker also had a sosun weapon it would ks you so hard you didn't even have to walk to the mob.

Are you dumb? There is a casting delay on nukes. 4 seconds. I can kill a monster quicker if it's low enough. Also you should learn about Knockdown

Are you dumb? ever heard of more than 1 nuke, if the nuker is good you won't get a chance to KD

DS^ wrote:

If you realy think a hybrid blader would be a good idea go on and make one.

This is retarded. I've stated that Hybrid bladers suck. Why would I want to make one?

then there's been a misunderstanding..

DS^ wrote:

Bladers = Heavy Tanker ( not dmg dealers, they CAN do a lot of dmg but they are meant to tank )

Learn the difference between Chinese and European classes. Learn character design.

So you don't agree that bladers are ade for tank ?

DS^ wrote:

Glaviers = Damage/ Tanker

Glaivers are not tanks. Just because they can take damage due to slightly higher HP, does not classify them as Tanks. Plus they have no defensive skills. I laugh at glaivers who use Snow shield.

Just because they don't have a shield doesn't mean they are not tankers...
glaviers can stun + they have fanning spear series

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:47 pm

Critical on Sun blade is 13. Which is only +64%. maximum is 20.

Killing Giants will be calculated by DOT. Everything is probability. Knocking down a monster every time will prevent anyone (non bicheon) from attacking gaining you more DOT.

Nukes are consistent. The damage does not fluctuate as much.

Division has increased my damage by approx 30%.

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:53 pm

DS^ wrote:

Just because they don't have a shield doesn't mean they are not tankers...
glaviers can stun + they have fanning spear series

So according to you, Bladers are just tankers.

And Glaivers are Tankers and damage dealers?

Sorry man, cant have best of both worlds. Unless maybe your Simhon with full SoSun set.

The character design in SRO would mean that every STR- type build is a tank according to you.

In computer role-playing games, tanks are warrior character classes with fighting skills and high hit points. An example of a tank in action is a swordsman with archers behind him. The swordsman has heavy armour and a shield, and thus takes less damage from his foes and protects the archers behind. The characters a tank protects might include a healer who keeps the tank (and other party members) alive, damage dealing classes with a lower damage tolerance (magic-users or rogues), or a weaker character taking advantage of the opportunity to powerlevel. Tanks in many cases have abilities to focus the attention of their opponent mobs on themselves as a way of protecting the other characters.

Tankers, DD's Healers, etc etc.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

Pred wrote:

DS^ wrote:

Just because they don't have a shield doesn't mean they are not tankers...
glaviers can stun + they have fanning spear series

So according to you, Bladers are just tankers.

And Glaivers are Tankers and damage dealers?

Sorry man, cant have best of both worlds. Unless maybe your Simhon with full SoSun set.

The character design in SRO would mean that every STR- type build is a tank according to you.

In computer role-playing games, tanks are warrior character classes with fighting skills and high hit points. An example of a tank in action is a swordsman with archers behind him. The swordsman has heavy armour and a shield, and thus takes less damage from his foes and protects the archers behind. The characters a tank protects might include a healer who keeps the tank (and other party members) alive, damage dealing classes with a lower damage tolerance (magic-users or rogues), or a weaker character taking advantage of the opportunity to powerlevel. Tanks in many cases have abilities to focus the attention of their opponent mobs on themselves as a way of protecting the other characters.

Tankers, DD's Healers, etc etc.

No, Bladers are heavy tankers and glaviers are tankers, bowers aren't much of a tankdue to the fact they have no deffensive skills untill lvl 73

Bladers = Shield,KD
Glaviers = Stun
Bowers = KB,Stun ( you must be lvl 73+ )

Pred · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:13 pm

In theory, a regular player would say "I can tank" anything because of their vast amount of HP.

How does a Hybrid build have more HP and Defense than a pure build? It doesnt.

Therefore it's weaker and obsolete.

According to you Bladers are suppose to Tank. How can you tank a shit load of people in a war if you have less HP. Painkiller and I took on the entire guild of ReefSpawn (2 vs 10) And we beat them by 1000 points. I did not die once. Sure they were level 75-80, but there were 5x more than us.

The Key to survival is this: HP, DEFENSE. and in this game, BLOCK.

The discussion is how a Hybrid blader differs from a Pure STR Blader. Not in comparison to a GLAIVE.

If you want to discuss Glaivers / Hybrid Spear... start another topic.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Don't give up on a pure str blade's killing ability yet. If JM wants to give pure str bladers the ability to kill, they will. JM knows what they're doing.

This skill last 120 seconds and allows pure str bladers to kill. Not that they couldn't before. Its just a bit easier.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

Da_Realest wrote:

Don't give up on a pure str blade's killing ability yet. If JM wants to give pure str bladers the ability to kill, they will. JM knows what they're doing.

This skill last 120 seconds and allows pure str bladers to kill. Not that they couldn't before. Its just a bit easier.

can you explain what it does?

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