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lower level results in pvp don`t necessary show what it will be when both are full farmed 80 chars.
bladers are meant to take damage xbow will be a pain for bladers who dont have light skills fairly high level (especially the new phantom will be incredible usefull) , but i don`t think daggers who need to get close will have a chance to kill.


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lower level results in pvp don`t necessary show what it will be when both are full farmed 80 chars.
bladers are meant to take damage xbow will be a pain for bladers who dont have light skills fairly high level (especially the new phantom will be incredible usefull) , but i don`t think daggers who need to get close will have a chance to kill.


can you explain why the new phantom will be usefull plz? when maxed its just 1 meter more then ghost walk phantom lvl 12 afaik (not sarcasm i really wanna know)


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lower level results in pvp don`t necessary show what it will be when both are full farmed 80 chars.
bladers are meant to take damage xbow will be a pain for bladers who dont have light skills fairly high level (especially the new phantom will be incredible usefull) , but i don`t think daggers who need to get close will have a chance to kill.


you know bladers long range attcks aren't that powerful at all so even if they phantom walk away its not like they'll be able to kill a dagger user....thats if the blader even see's the rogue coming.....daggers do to much damage in 1-hit to be really afraid of any chinese build at the later lvls...the only thing a blader really has going for them is BR

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only thing br?
def buff?
book 1 snow shield maxed?


not saying rogue sucks or anything and i dont know what kind of gimp bladers you are fighting lol

and please low lv duels dont prove anything we need lv 80 input


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only thing br?
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book 1 snow shield maxed?


not saying rogue sucks or anything and i dont know what kind of gimp bladers you are fighting lol

and please low lv duels dont prove anything we need lv 80 input


ONOZ!!!! book 1 know shield that'll really stop the crit and since when did bladers get debuff skillz....can don't talk about lighting chain cause rogues have bleed stun and dull...i don't know what kind of rogue your fighting but like i said the only thing rogues should have to fear from bladers is the shield...this isn't a chinese battle that'll go on long enough for status stuff to make a huge difference the battle will be deiced in the first couple of hits....

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BaronSengir wrote:
only thing br?
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book 1 snow shield maxed?


not saying rogue sucks or anything and i dont know what kind of gimp bladers you are fighting lol

and please low lv duels dont prove anything we need lv 80 input


That's pretty much what I'm thinking, especially the last point. I don't think we can tell right now which build will shine over the other since there doesn't seem to be that many (if any) capped farmed rouges yet. Yesterday i was doing a job at a gate and some 7x rouge attacked me. I was pretty amazed how many hits he got me into before i could respond (as in knockbacks and knockdowns) but his damage was lacking, like 8k crit or something so i assumed he wasn't farmed and i was able to kill em. My bias tells me bladers should be able to tank the rouges damage decently well esp if they're in protectors but who knows, getting KD'd will pretty much mean gg of most builds anyways.

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XemnasXD wrote:
BaronSengir wrote:
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book 1 snow shield maxed?


not saying rogue sucks or anything and i dont know what kind of gimp bladers you are fighting lol

and please low lv duels dont prove anything we need lv 80 input


ONOZ!!!! book 1 know shield that'll really stop the crit and since when did bladers get debuff skillz....can don't talk about lighting chain cause rogues have bleed stun and dull...i don't know what kind of rogue your fighting but like i said the only thing rogues should have to fear from bladers is the shield...this isn't a chinese battle that'll go on long enough for status stuff to make a huge difference the battle will be deiced in the first couple of hits....


its called defence buff not like i need it against rogue


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Im lvl70 with sun blade crit 14, sos shield br18, sos garm set +4,5,6, acc +4,5, earrings are sos... I have the snow shield at 31% absorption. STR on me is 54/62, hp is 1200/1200. Looking for a simmilar lvl rogue to kill me.

My point: It all depends on equipment. IT ALWAYS DOES! :banghead:

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Against Chinese it depends on equipment but as Euros have proved over and over again we can easily kill ppl +5 our lvl with NPC gear.....i can't wait till i get those 64 SoSun daggers and proceed to + the shit of them...Euro with noob gear pwn easily so Euros with good gear should pwn even harder

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XemnasXD wrote:
BaronSengir wrote:
only thing br?
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book 1 snow shield maxed?


not saying rogue sucks or anything and i dont know what kind of gimp bladers you are fighting lol

and please low lv duels dont prove anything we need lv 80 input


ONOZ!!!! book 1 know shield that'll really stop the crit and since when did bladers get debuff skillz....can don't talk about lighting chain cause rogues have bleed stun and dull...i don't know what kind of rogue your fighting but like i said the only thing rogues should have to fear from bladers is the shield...this isn't a chinese battle that'll go on long enough for status stuff to make a huge difference the battle will be deiced in the first couple of hits....
Can you post a vid of YOU fighting a blader?

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y? not that i could by why're you asking me...i haven't post a vid of myself before i don't see why you'd expect me to now....if you want to see it play out that badly then just go stand outside DW and wait for the inevitable then capture and show us....

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You say you can do so much. Lemme see your power :D

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You say you can do so much. Lemme see your power :D


^^ im not saying i do anymore than what anyone else is saying so if Bladers are so great why not ask them to post a vid :D

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XemnasXD wrote:
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You say you can do so much. Lemme see your power :D


^^ im not saying i do anymore than what anyone else is saying so if Bladers are so great why not ask them to post a vid :D
Ive seen thousands of blader vids already. Rogues seem to be hawt in this topic.

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You say you can do so much. Lemme see your power :D


^^ im not saying i do anymore than what anyone else is saying so if Bladers are so great why not ask them to post a vid :D
Ive seen thousands of blader vids already. Rogues seem to be hawt in this topic.


if you want rogue vids go to my guide and look at the bottom you'll see links to lots of rogue PvP vids :D

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XemnasXD wrote:
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You say you can do so much. Lemme see your power :D


^^ im not saying i do anymore than what anyone else is saying so if Bladers are so great why not ask them to post a vid :D
Ive seen thousands of blader vids already. Rogues seem to be hawt in this topic.


if you want rogue vids go to my guide and look at the bottom you'll see links to lots of rogue PvP vids :D
Damit wheres that rogue backflip chain ive been hearing about?

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You want unbiased.

Hi I have a 74 blade and a 56 rogue. As a rogue I prefer xbow for the range and power. But any char with a shield can quickly mitigate xbow damage. The shots take a long time to charge and are generally 1 offs. You have to make that first shot count. And if it is a block you are in trouble. So for shield users I prefer dagger. Good damage and status effects. Faster speed and multi hits are important with shields as well. In a well prepared battle I would go in with recovery division, healing cycle, bless, and dagger desperate. I can pop them all off usually before my opponent can land their first hit after I destealth form there I have about 10 sec of extra healing plus the boosted healing of recovery division. Dagger Desparate greatly reduces defense but bless greatly boosts it so you break even defense wise. But come out ahead damage wise. If I am all hopped up on grains I only get scarier as the pot delay is even less and vigoring regularly either I will have to be ganged or crit for my entire 7k+ HP before I will die. Not something those about my lvl can do even though I am still in 6D gear. As a blader I am one of the best builds in the game to handle rogues. But make no mistake. I don't write them off.

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Hi I have a 74 blade and a 56 rogue. As a rogue I prefer xbow for the range and power. But any char with a shield can quickly mitigate xbow damage. The shots take a long time to charge and are generally 1 offs. You have to make that first shot count. And if it is a block you are in trouble. So for shield users I prefer dagger. Good damage and status effects. Faster speed and multi hits are important with shields as well. In a well prepared battle I would go in with recovery division, healing cycle, bless, and dagger desperate. I can pop them all off usually before my opponent can land their first hit after I destealth form there I have about 10 sec of extra healing plus the boosted healing of recovery division. Dagger Desparate greatly reduces defense but bless greatly boosts it so you break even defense wise. But come out ahead damage wise. If I am all hopped up on grains I only get scarier as the pot delay is even less and vigoring regularly either I will have to be ganged or crit for my entire 7k+ HP before I will die. Not something those about my lvl can do even though I am still in 6D gear. As a blader I am one of the best builds in the game to handle rogues. But make no mistake. I don't write them off.


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I kind of think you guys are exagerating a bit. If rouges kicked this much ass everyone would be one. And some of you guys count hitting low lvls for 30k crits a big deal....like check out this video for example.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0cAC5rCfRw

He's all zoomed in like his dmg is so impressive....when he's hitting low lvls. FFs....I hit low lvls for that much on my chinese nuker too! And check out the glaiver at the end. Kinda funny how he had to zerk on the guy thats near his lvl isn't it? And the glaiver was actually tanking him for a little while. Lmao

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I kind of think you guys are exagerating a bit. If rouges kicked this much ass everyone would be one. And some of you guys count hitting low lvls for 30k crits a big deal....like check out this video for example.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0cAC5rCfRw

He's all zoomed in like his dmg is so impressive....when he's hitting low lvls. FFs....I hit low lvls for that much on my chinese nuker too! And check out the glaiver at the end. Kinda funny how he had to zerk on the guy thats near his lvl isn't it? And the glaiver was actually tanking him for a little while. Lmao


First of all, you mistook my camera angle art for "zooming in on the damage" It's the close up shot of the action, the dmg is irrelevant.
Yeah it's very funny a lv 71 had to zerk on a lv 80 pure str glaiver and his iron horse to win...
And lastly ALL those noobs kills, was shot on 1 hour, during my run as hunter from dw to jangan and back. I recorded everyone i killed during that run INCLUDING high and low lv. This video was never meant to be about dmg or about high lv vs low lv. This is about the song and the timings of the bow and dagger action and the close up.
I tried to do the video as close as possible to the Royal Casino opening title, watch that and you see why I zoomed in.
BTW rogue's dmg and their ability has been already established, I don't have to try to prove anything, yet. If I wanted to show off my dmg and skill in pvp, I wouldn't had made a video like that..

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Juey wrote:
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I kind of think you guys are exagerating a bit. If rouges kicked this much ass everyone would be one. And some of you guys count hitting low lvls for 30k crits a big deal....like check out this video for example.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0cAC5rCfRw

He's all zoomed in like his dmg is so impressive....when he's hitting low lvls. FFs....I hit low lvls for that much on my chinese nuker too! And check out the glaiver at the end. Kinda funny how he had to zerk on the guy thats near his lvl isn't it? And the glaiver was actually tanking him for a little while. Lmao


First of all, you mistook my camera angle art for "zooming in on the damage" It's the close up shot of the action, the dmg is irrelevant.
Yeah it's very funny a lv 71 had to zerk on a lv 80 pure str glaiver and his iron horse to win...
And lastly ALL those noobs kills, was shot on 1 hour, during my run as hunter from dw to jangan and back. I recorded everyone i killed during that run INCLUDING high and low lv. This video was never meant to be about dmg or about high lv vs low lv. This is about the song and the timings of the bow and dagger action and the close up.
I tried to do the video as close as possible to the Royal Casino opening title, watch that and you see why I zoomed in.
BTW rogue's dmg and their ability has been already established, I don't have to try to prove anything, yet. If I wanted to show off my dmg and skill in pvp, I wouldn't had made a video like that..


That video made me make a rogue :P

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listen here is an answer from an experienced rogue...

I dont use dagger desperate and fight with the blader=i die coz of pot delay difference as i hit low and he heals himself fast.

I use Dagger Desperate and fight the blader=he dies coz im 45lvl and a 45lvl blader hits me 400-500 with DD on and i hit him like 1500-1800 and my begining hit 'SCREW' buffed up with stealth dagger does him like 3000-4000 damage and criticals are more so i can 2-3 shot an blader no matter what he does.
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Ok make a vid of you pvping people your level. ANd I wanna see them actually FIGHTING back. I don't wanna see a vid of you killing peope who are afk outside of dw. I see that alot in euro vids. :o

btw lemme see you fighting pure strs. No pure ints. ;o

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Hi I have a 74 blade and a 56 rogue. As a rogue I prefer xbow for the range and power. But any char with a shield can quickly mitigate xbow damage. The shots take a long time to charge and are generally 1 offs. You have to make that first shot count. And if it is a block you are in trouble. So for shield users I prefer dagger. Good damage and status effects. Faster speed and multi hits are important with shields as well. In a well prepared battle I would go in with recovery division, healing cycle, bless, and dagger desperate. I can pop them all off usually before my opponent can land their first hit after I destealth form there I have about 10 sec of extra healing plus the boosted healing of recovery division. Dagger Desparate greatly reduces defense but bless greatly boosts it so you break even defense wise. But come out ahead damage wise. If I am all hopped up on grains I only get scarier as the pot delay is even less and vigoring regularly either I will have to be ganged or crit for my entire 7k+ HP before I will die. Not something those about my lvl can do even though I am still in 6D gear. As a blader I am one of the best builds in the game to handle rogues. But make no mistake. I don't write them off.



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fyi detect stealth pills and fire combustion exists. kd is faster than that rogue skill that does omgwtfbbq dmg in 1 hit. +600 def castle shield isn't funny too for ANY physical class. and if the blader has ice...it'll just screw things up even more for rogues.

just pointing out stuff that a blader that's supposed to be a master at mitigating physical damage has over a rogue who mostly relies on heavy physical damage -.-


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Stealth pills and the fire combustion skill are worthless when it comes to jobbing...if your at the gate or somewhere where you know your enemy might possibly be around you then its ok but other than that you'll never know when to use those things and if you do the range is so limited and the time so short their not much you could do anyway

but i agree with everything else castle shield would be annoying but most bladers are fire not ice and it'll take some great reaction time from your fingers and from sro to get you KD once a rogue pops out at you....and their not a 100% the KD will work

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Crni_Vatreni wrote:
Im lvl70 with sun blade crit 14, sos shield br18, sos garm set +4,5,6, acc +4,5, earrings are sos... I have the snow shield at 31% absorption. STR on me is 54/62, hp is 1200/1200. Looking for a simmilar lvl rogue to kill me.

My point: It all depends on equipment. IT ALWAYS DOES! :banghead:


no rogue is gonna kill you until you get to a high enough lvl where their lvl 72 weapon equals the power of your 64 sun.

so probably around 76ish
because you're also wearing an SOS garm set, and thats not accessable for them.

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