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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:50 pm 
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stop crying? china have their buffs, euro have their buffs. Not our fault euro buffs are stronger and can kick your ass. Go delete ur char and make euro then and stop crying kthxbai.



yeah but eny china build can buff its self can eny euro build by itself?
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sides what if i nice little full str bow with force vital spots all your nice little buffs away? and then crits you to hell before you can even catch him? then when you get close he just phantoms away and crits some more.

i like chineese more probly for the look at there better at jobbing cuz with no pot delay you can easily kill your own theifs no problem.
but euro offers a different game play experience.[/quote]

yes euro can buff themselves, plesae, like i told the other guy. deletechar, uninstall, dont come back.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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yeah but eny china build can buff its self can eny euro build by itself?
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sides what if i nice little full str bow with force vital spots all your nice little buffs away? and then crits you to hell before you can even catch him? then when you get close he just phantoms away and crits some more.

i like chineese more probly for the look at there better at jobbing cuz with no pot delay you can easily kill your own theifs no problem.
but euro offers a different game play experience.

Uh, a Cleric can. Besides, any time Euros start buffing each other, Chinese players begin whining that they need buffs as well.

And nice scenario you made there, but an experienced Warrior/Warlock will blow any Force build out of the water. Force debuffs have long cooldowns not to mention can be resisted by a Cleric's Holy Spell skill, so it's basically an archer that can heal itself.


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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:13 pm 
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there is only one thing to say: a chinese char and an euro one are absolutely not comparable. chinese chars are made to pvp another chinese one, same with euros.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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I like Chinese because I hate waiting 1 hour to put a party together then watch in collapse and have to keep the people still in the party from ditching. I like Chinese because I can go grind when I want to and don't have to worry about "Joe-Somebody" leaving the party to get power leveled because it isn't working at 100%. I like Chinese because their skills are more graceful and when played properly are beast in 1v1 or #v1 :twisted:.

European: I take initiative. Put the party together get every build except the cleric and have to wait several minutes before one pops up on the radar. Then when it's time to go the other members decide to take their bloody time shopping, pvping, doing alchemy, stalling. Then you have to kick them because they go AFK and now you're back at square one. The worst part is if you change the party name to "Legit lvl 80 wizard plvling" (80 cap) Your party fills up in less than 10 minutes (with legits) and once they realize it was a sham they leave.

Chinese: Repair my stuff, buy my potions, check my ticket, buy a horse and a return scroll, then go grind.

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What are you talking about . .
When I played my level 80 Glavier I had F1 for Heuk, F2 for buffs.

Now that I have my rogue / cleric, I can't even fit all my skills on the skillbars.
F1 daggers
F2 main cleric buffs
F3 xbow
F4 overheal.. other rogue and cleric skills, pots.

and I solo pvp all the time, +5 set and weapons.. I win most vs chinese also.
Euro is just more fun, in almost every aspect.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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i like to me more independant so i live chin chars more and its sorta harded to thief in euro

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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Being Euro is gay, you have to rely on others all the time. They're useless by themselves

that's pretty funny statement, do you ever pvp cleric/rogue or warrior/cleric or cleric/wizard?


Yes, I do. With a Rogue/Cleric. Sure I pwn with bless and all my buffs and shit, but once they run out, I get pwned.

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Whatever. Bard/cleric can solo quite well, rogue is made for soloing with DD or CE, wiz is quite good although they die often.

A range of skills and strengths and weaknesses. Just like Chinese chars, only with a pot delay :) oh, and many more useful buffs.

Off topic...I cannot COUNT the times I used to go out to get plvled (when I couldn't find anyone in the union) and first thing they ask me is "boffs", "buffs pls", "what lvl res", "moving march plz"

A lot of the time, it's the Chinese characters asking. Heck, even when I'm just PvPing and everyone notices I'm a cleric, it's tons of pm's asking for buffs, etc. I bet bards get the same type of pm's.


But luckily, I'm not one of those people. I like to rely on my own strength. If I get pwned, that means I'm not strong enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:43 am 
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I like Chinese for overall self sufficency; but at the same time, my Wiz+Cleric hardly ever has the need to use up HP pots, and in fact, I've been carrying the same stack of HP pots for over a month now without using them, mostly cause I use my cleric buffs to keep me alive, and with being a Battle Cleric as well as Wizard, I can have some survivability on top of it rather than it always being a who-shoots-first PvP battle.

Basically, if my Euro had some form of free speed whenever I would need it, I wouldnt complain.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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A great majority of the Chinese high levels in my server (and most likely others as well) constantly rely on Euros to keep them alive. Whether it be Cleric buffs or Warrior screens, most Chinese players will beg Euros non-stop for buffs. So much for being strong alone.

Grinding wise, I highly prefer Euro parties than Chinese Solo leveling. I enjoy interacting with people while I grind and it's fun when things get really hectic while party grinding. (i.e bunch of giant party mobs appear out of nowhere XD)

So it's just personal preference, but I don't think I'll ever play another Chinese character ever again. Just not my thing.


Hmm idk but i never seen anyone higher lvl that begs for buffs. Cept maybe turks and germans.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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Purely from the perspective as a new player, Euro over China. Most Euro builds, contrary to popular belief, can grind just fine in solo play and excel even more in parties. Plus, it is simply more friendly to newbies since Euroes require less overall SP farming.

EDIT: Also you can't ignore the fact that they are better at conserving money. Euros use potions fifteen times slower than Chinese, and in Euro parties with HP and MP healing you use almost nothing. It's almost pure profit.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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I like china better, but i wouldn't mind having a FF lvl 90 2H Warrior/Cleric... the build that beats me most in 1vs1.


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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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Being Euro is gay, you have to rely on others all the time. They're useless by themselves

that's pretty funny statement, do you ever pvp cleric/rogue or warrior/cleric or cleric/wizard?

that just sux a lot, like if those buffs ( 2k def increase ) + bless are fair... cmon stfu plz, euro sux.

That's their own buff, what's wrong of using it? it's still 1v1. But I expect no response from you as you said you wont say anything anymore, grow up

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That's their own buff, what's wrong of using it? it's still 1v1.

the problem is this buff itself! yea so hitting 20k a pure int and getting hitted 2k isnt wrong .. come on lol, those buffs are wrong. but you, as a coward kid, wont admit it and keep feeling strong cuz u are one of these 'better' euros.
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But I expect no response from you as you said you wont say anything anymore, grow up

I tryied to explain u anyway, but as i can see u are not able to understand.

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That's their own buff, what's wrong of using it? it's still 1v1.

the problem is this buff itself! yea so hitting 20k a pure int and getting hitted 2k isnt wrong .. come on lol, those buffs are wrong. but you, as a coward kid, wont admit it and keep feeling strong cuz u are one of these 'better' euros.


Don't act smart, who told you I'm playing euro char? I'm a hybrid spear, I won't cry about their own skill when I lost to them like some immature kiddies. Similar statement I heard before was snow shield is for noob. lmao, you are almost there.

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i dont cry about those buffs, i simply hate who says they are fair, thats all.

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That reminds me something, people who hide in safe zone or lying on floor while pvping at dw south love to point to others, " you sux, you noob etc etc.."

ya, that's not crying, I know, I really know ^^

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Looove Chinese, compared to Euro.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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Sigh... lvl 90 Cleric with bless, "blackres" and screen (<-that warriorbuff) tanked 3 lvl 90 glaives and 1 lvl 90 nuker, 3 of them with +7 weapons... no problem. :banghead:
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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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i dont cry about those buffs, i simply hate who says they are fair, thats all.


why's it not fair?
when a rogue or wizard runs out of bless they would get pwned
and its just a game :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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i dont cry about those buffs, i simply hate who says they are fair, thats all.


why's it not fair?
when a rogue or wizard runs out of bless they would get pwned
and its just a game :roll:

because we die within 5 secs, 1 or 2 hits. living for 45 seconds is kinda impossible -_-

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
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Chinese have more skills to use. Something about having to wait 40 levels for a wizard to get a new attack after he levels to 20 seems wrong =\


What are you talking about . .
When I played my level 80 Glavier I had F1 for Heuk, F2 for buffs.

Now that I have my rogue / cleric, I can't even fit all my skills on the skillbars.
F1 daggers
F2 main cleric buffs
F3 xbow
F4 overheal.. other rogue and cleric skills, pots.

and I solo pvp all the time, +5 set and weapons.. I win most vs chinese also.
Euro is just more fun, in almost every aspect.


Well wizzards do have to wait 40 lvls to get a new skill.
And they definatly won't need 4 bars.

Anyway, I prefer chinese chars to.
They are easier to grind with (not so much worries about potting)
and they just look better.

I made this wizzard now cause i like dealing good dmg,
and thank god that 9th degree female robe actually looks great.
I never like the looks of EU chars, light armor is ok robe simply sucks (except 9th degree) and heavy armor completely hides your char wich is dumb to.


It seems most of you forget about the fact that EU is a party class.
You can't buff yourself for a reason, its so you need others to buff for you (see, party play)

I don't think EU is overpowered. ok, they do huge damage, but they take high hits to and because of their 15sec pot delay it'll be quite hard to survive 2/3 hits from a chinese nuker/glavier or w/e.

And don't come with that cleric/bard bullshit, cause if a chinese char gets buffed with that
they won't die either.


Oh and, i can solo perfectly fine.
I cant face mobs my lvl that well alone. but giants / party's aren't that big of a problem with cleric buffs activated


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A lot of the time, it's the Chinese characters asking. Heck, even when I'm just PvPing and everyone notices I'm a cleric, it's tons of pm's asking for buffs, etc. I bet bards get the same type of pm's.


Wierd, I remember i got pk'd when i was buffing people with str & int all arround me in downhang.

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there is only one thing to say: a chinese char and an euro one are absolutely not comparable. chinese chars are made to pvp another chinese one, same with euros.


and your wrong again.

EU chars are made to work with other chars. be it islam, chinese or europe ones.
China chars useally have the advantage of tanking longer (with any build) cause they can pot faster. combine that with some decent eu buffs and there you have it.

you know, back when EU wasn't arroudn you could basicly say full str pwned most of the time.
Now every char will die, regardless their hp & gear. you can have as much sosun as you want.
when your facing a group of 8 people, be it any type of char, you'll die...

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 Post subject: Re: Euro or China, and why?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:39 pm 
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Which do you prefer and why? Me, I like Chinese. Being Euro is gay, you have to rely on others all the time. They're useless by themselves. And don't give me all that "But they're based on party play" shit. Lets face it, the strong are strongest alone.


Being euro, is fun and being able to party to level up faster. Face a FF warrior/cleric, then i don't think you'll be saying that contardicting statement of yours. Euros aren't even useless by themselves, i don't know if you've seen others when they grind alone but i know people who does. They can grind as efficiently as any chinese, but they lack the power to cover up most their flaws unlike chinese which can cover up almost any flaws they have. For euros, it's either take a godly defense or get speed to level up faster.

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Sigh... lvl 90 Cleric with bless, "blackres" and screen (<-that warriorbuff) tanked 3 lvl 90 glaives and 1 lvl 90 nuker, 3 of them with +7 weapons... no problem. :banghead:
What does that say about the overpowered buffs?



who says you can't get those buffs as well? :S

OnT: i like chinese, i have a 6x Euro and 5x chinese myself and yet i still prefer the chinese. It's their sheer reliance all over. Think about it, Euros won't be getting much new skills later on. Chinese skills however will increase more skills. Making their damage/buffs stronger than before. Whoever started this thread sure as hell is a whiner, i mean suck it up and deal with the fact someone can own you. If you can't deal with it then go play something else, at the least where you won't have Clerics or warriors to cheat the game on your likings. Simple minded freaks just needs to really grow some *****, and eat it after. :banghead:

really stop it with Euro vs. Chinese comparison, everything depends on your personal likings.

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when your facing a group of 8 people, be it any type of char, you'll die...

this is the most problem, 1 vs 1 doesnt exist anymore, its all about euro party, cool -.-

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oh oh chinese also coz its easy to bot :p
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euro , because when u make a chinese, when ur capped or stop training, ul realize chinese suck and ul post that euro ruin the game and cry and go emo allday.

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stop crying? china have their buffs, euro have their buffs. Not our fault euro buffs are stronger and can kick your ass. Go delete ur char and make euro then and stop crying kthxbai.



yeah but eny china build can buff its self can eny euro build by itself?
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sides what if i nice little full str bow with force vital spots all your nice little buffs away? and then crits you to hell before you can even catch him? then when you get close he just phantoms away and crits some more.

i like chineese more probly for the look at there better at jobbing cuz with no pot delay you can easily kill your own theifs no problem.
but euro offers a different game play experience.[/quote]
Chinese thief armour lookscooler than the euro's.

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I proffer Europeans.
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I like chinese, because i like being alone when i grind, i love the skills and no pot delay, chinese dies so less then euro while grinding, euros are too boring, i even don't like grinding on euro side ><

I don't really know if it's just me, but I die maybe once per 2 levels, while my friend is dying more than I do on his Chinese character. Learn to play Europeans and you can deal with the 15 second potions delay.

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Which do you prefer and why? Me, I like Chinese. Being Euro is gay, you have to rely on others all the time. They're useless by themselves. And don't give me all that "But they're based on party play" shit. Lets face it, the strong are strongest alone.


Everything you have written is WRONG

Euro.
Want to be good in a party and in a 1on1 situation?
Create a 2H / Cleric.
I have a capped char, which dominates Poseidon. Only the Sun Whores of our server can beat me. Party? I can tank and provide amazing buffs for the rest of the party whilst still equalling any other build in terms of attack power with huge crits. Want proof? Make a char on Poseidon and come DW South.

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Which do you prefer and why? Me, I like Chinese. Being Euro is gay, you have to rely on others all the time. They're useless by themselves. And don't give me all that "But they're based on party play" shit. Lets face it, the strong are strongest alone.


Everything you have written is WRONG

Euro.
Want to be good in a party and in a 1on1 situation?
Create a 2H / Cleric.
I have a capped char, which dominates Poseidon. Only the Sun Whores of our server can beat me. Party? I can tank and provide amazing buffs for the rest of the party whilst still equalling any other build in terms of attack power with huge crits. Want proof? Make a char on Poseidon and come DW South.


Warrior / Cleric is indeed one of the best builds out there. Note, though, that I'm saying Warrior / Cleric, not 2H/Cleric. 2h without 1h is a steaming pile of fail.

I still like the stability and power of the chinese glaiver more, though. :)

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Which do you prefer and why? Me, I like Chinese. Being Euro is gay, you have to rely on others all the time. They're useless by themselves. And don't give me all that "But they're based on party play" shit. Lets face it, the strong are strongest alone.


Everything you have written is WRONG

Euro.
Want to be good in a party and in a 1on1 situation?
Create a 2H / Cleric.
I have a capped char, which dominates Poseidon. Only the Sun Whores of our server can beat me. Party? I can tank and provide amazing buffs for the rest of the party whilst still equalling any other build in terms of attack power with huge crits. Want proof? Make a char on Poseidon and come DW South.


wow, your server must suck if only sun players can beat you, sad.

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