The REAL morningdew

Allig2948 · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 305 **Location:**

Millenium wrote:

Quintus wrote:

Thanks Pred. Youve really shown me something. Basically everyone that has read this you now have the truth. And with the truth you can pick between two logical decisions. You can bot without any retrobution whatsoever or quit.

Pick one, the only thing you may loose is some money and if you boycott, try to do something that will affect the future, like joining a meetup group for this upcoming election. Personally, I recommend this group http://ronpaul.meetup.com/

Bot or Boycott.

Why?
He was MD
He said he couldnt do shit
He said Joymax doesnt want to do shit.

And forum mods, dont ban anymore people for bot admissions or that stuff. JM wont do it so why should you?

As for me, its bot. I can afford it, and fw and massive trs are fun!

Btw Im in one of those meetups too

Thanks for raising a *gasp :shock:

* big question to the way we administer things. However, despite your seemingly logical argument, we will continue to ban bot-supporters (like yourself) so we can keep this community bot-free and clean to make us legits feel more at home. We totally deserve it.

Thanks for reporting this thread, it shall be taken care of.

LOL! I can assure you that at least 3/4's of the community used a bot or still uses a bot.

Wello27 · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 706 **Location:** USA

Great.

So you were MorningDew?

Honestly I agree with the whole attention thing.

Whether it was Joymax's policy or not.

You did nothing. You got paid to do nothing.

You told us nothing. Fact Joymax's policy is to not ban botters that buy silk is not news, or surprising.

To anyone who thinks JOymax is unique for this policy, go do some research on NCSoft and Lineage 2.

Just about every Korean Company that runs a game is corrupt.

Go play a game run by a legitimate, REAL company with REAL customer service. Stop playing games run by Corrupt Korean Aholes.

Driver · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 365 **Location:**

Quote:

"Is it possible that they will do exactly the same to other versions of silkroad online, like the kSRO or cSRO? I mean, could I kept playing cSRO and enjoy more than iSRO or is only a matter of time before it turns as bad as iSRO?" - Those versions of the game were sold to other publishing companies. So if you think that Joymax is going to sell the gaming rights to an American company, the answer is I don't know. It would be nice though. Joymax is a development company. New to customer service. Which is why well... there is none. The point of the USA office was to establish customer service. Since when did a player ever receive such thing? This is pretty much why I stopped caring.

Ok, this was only what I need to know... And I care about this answer, because I have been chargebacked from iSRO a long time ago, recieve some e-mails from both paypal/Joymax (yes they have e-mail me back about my chargeback) try to get unbanned and completely fail... I dont want same destiny in cSRO, simple as that.

Again, thz for the answer and gl with your real life.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

Do you put finds into your paypal then buy silk? Or is your paypal linked to your bank account?

If it's the latter, simply ring up your bank and as for all payments from XX-XX-07 - XX-XX-08 that went to Joymax to be refunded.

Worked for me, all tho I did do it more than half a year ago.
Rabobank btw.

doing it this route, how far can you charge back silk? 3 months, a year?

jabbers · **Posted:** Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:30 pm

I wouldn't chargeback, it will probably mess up your credit rating, not worth it over a few bucks on some game

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

jabbers wrote:

I wouldn't chargeback, it will probably mess up your credit rating, not worth it over a few bucks on some game

it cant mess up your credit score, joymax nor paypal report to a credit company, you do not have a debt with them so hense no reporting, and how do you know its only a few buck, if I could charge back everything I ever spent I could get back over $1200.00

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

Wello27 wrote:

Go play a game run by a legitimate, REAL company with REAL customer service.

got any suggestions there.

Edit:
BTW, when it comes to the MD wanting attention shit, if he WANTED attention, he would have announced it long ago that he was (an) MD. Im pretty sure he just came here to confirm some preconcieved notions and clear up who he was. He was stuck behind a shroud of joymax policies for how many years now? Sure MD pissed me off, often, but it was the policies forbidding action/causing his response. Mary min tried to overcome this stumbling block and got so frustrated she quit. Pred just decided to ride the wave for a while, and relieve his frustrations here. Anyone blame him? What kind of magical powers do ppl think MD had/has. MD and pred both have said they are/were forum mods, nothing more, as far as customer relations. Well whatever, im done on this topic. Hes just a person, nothing more. honestly i dont get why hes even special enuff to have an 11+ page topic about.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

ArchYourFace wrote:

Wello27 wrote:

Go play a game run by a legitimate, REAL company with REAL customer service.

got any suggestions there.

Edit:
BTW, when it comes to the MD wanting attention shit, if he WANTED attention, he would have announced it long ago that he was (an) MD. Im pretty sure he just came here to confirm some preconcieved notions and clear up who he was. He was stuck behind a shroud of joymax policies for how many years now? Sure MD pissed me off, often, but it was the policies forbidding action/causing his response. Mary min tried to overcome this stumbling block and got so frustrated she quit. Pred just decided to ride the wave for a while, and relieve his frustrations here. Anyone blame him? What kind of magical powers do ppl think MD had/has. MD and pred both have said they are/were forum mods, nothing more, as far as customer relations. Well whatever, im done on this topic. Hes just a person, nothing more. honestly i dont get why hes even special enuff to have an 11+ page topic about.

i would guess the reason why its 11+ pages is that many people like myself have been playing this game for a long time and not once have got an answer to a question from anyone associated with Joymax, yes he is not longer employed there but he still has some insight into Joymaxs plans and know the answer to many questions that have been wondered for quite some time.

on a side note, thank you Pred for answering my questions and shedding light on the subject i've always wondered about.

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:15 pm

ArchYourFace wrote:

Wello27 wrote:

Go play a game run by a legitimate, REAL company with REAL customer service.

got any suggestions there.

Edit:
BTW, when it comes to the MD wanting attention shit, if he WANTED attention, he would have announced it long ago that he was (an) MD. Im pretty sure he just came here to confirm some preconcieved notions and clear up who he was. He was stuck behind a shroud of joymax policies for how many years now? Sure MD pissed me off, often, but it was the policies forbidding action/causing his response. Mary min tried to overcome this stumbling block and got so frustrated she quit. Pred just decided to ride the wave for a while, and relieve his frustrations here. Anyone blame him? What kind of magical powers do ppl think MD had/has. MD and pred both have said they are/were forum mods, nothing more, as far as customer relations. Well whatever, im done on this topic. Hes just a person, nothing more. honestly i dont get why hes even special enuff to have an 11+ page topic about.

This topic ?

Contents:

10% Relevance.

20% Spam.

40% Ego Tripping.

30% Steam venting. Feeling mistreated and angry etc,etc.

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As expected because this is a former employee of Joymax..and now people are aiming for answers.

Which they won't get. But they try anyways.

:roll:

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

skim his past posts, he gives more answers than most are aware of.

Quintus · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 299 **Location:**

Joymax TOS. Please Read. If I interpreted this wrong tell me but this clearly shows to me that you are "legit" if you use a third party program (See Bold Text) If you ban me, thats fine, but if its just because I am correct and you dont like what I say make that clear.

JOYMAX.COM Service Agreement

Interpretation of the Agreement

The Company may place separate service agreements and policies (hereinafter referred to as 'premium service agreement etc') for premium service and other services. If the contents of separate service agreements or policies differ to this Joymax.Com service agreement(the "Agreement"), then 'premium service agreement etc' will have priority in application.

Chapter 1 General Rules

Article 1 (Purpose)

The purpose of this Agreement between Joymax Co., Ltd.(hereinafter referred to as the "Company") and user is to stipulate the terms and conditions of using the contents of 'JOYMAX.COM', Game Portal Web site developed and provided by the Company(http://www.joymax.com, the "Web site").

Article 2 (Effect and Modification of Agreement)

1. This Agreement shall be effective upon clicking the "Agree" button for "Do you agree with this agreement?" on the Web site.

2. Provided that the Company has reasonable grounds and complies with the applicable laws, the Company has the right to change all or portions of the terms of this Agreement. Any important modifications will be notified to the users through the Web site in advance and it will be effective from the date of the notice.

3. Complying with this Agreement includes regularly checking up on modifications and notices regarding such through the Web site. Company will not be liable for damages incurred by user due to the user being unaware of such modification and notice.

4. User has the right to refuse to agree to the terms of modification and may secede and discontinue its use. However, the user will be deemed to have agreed to such modification unless he expresses his refusal within 7 days from the effective date of modification.

Article 3 (Terms and Definitions)

1. Definitions of the Terms used in this Agreement are as follows.
① As used herein, "service" shall mean the use of contents of the Web site that is in worldwide through the internet
② As used herein, "user" shall mean any person who has obtained a user account by agreeing to the terms of use for the services.
③ As used herein, "user account" shall mean the combination of English letters and numbers selected by user and assigned by the Company in order to distinguish each user
④ As used herein, "service agreement" shall mean agreement between User and Company to use such service
⑤ As used herein, "JOYMAX.COM" account information (hereinafter referred to as the "account information")" shall mean general information such as user account, password, name and etc.
⑥ As used herein, "password" shall mean a combination of characters and numbers chosen by User and registered by the Company for user identification and protection
⑦ As used herein, "game character (hereinafter referred to as the " character ") " shall mean game data included in a user account chosen and controlled by User
⑧ "Premium Service" refers to the actions and operations related to the purchasing, through each of the sites of serviced games, of cash that may be used within the game
⑨ "Free Service" and "Standard Service" refers to all JOYMAX.COM services that are not Premium Services

Chapter 2 Service Agreement

Article 1 (Service Agreement)

Service agreement shall be effective upon user's request through the Web site and Company's approval.

1. Service agreement shall be effective upon Company's approval of user's request.

2. Service agreement shall be separately executed per each ID made by User

3. User's character ID is tied to the user directly.

4. If the user is an establishment, the name of the establishment must be tied to its IP.

5. Service agreement shall commence with the joining process established by Company and terminate with its secession. If the user registers inaccurate information when he joins as a member, the Company can restrict his use even though the user's subscription was voluntary. If user becomes involved in an activity that is forbidden by Company, Company can classify him as an illegal user and restrain and block him during a given period in order to prevent harm to other users.

Article 2 (Approval of Use Request)

1. Company may approve or disapprove and cancel such approval or agreement at Company's discretion according to the terms and conditions set out below.
① User's registered name is not a real name
② Illegal use of someone else's name (include lineal ascendants/descendants)
③ Omissions and/or misstatement on user application
④ Disapproval resulting from other misconduct of the User
⑤ Misconduct that is offensive to public peace, order, and/or morals
⑥ Activity deemed as having ad adverse effect on Company's services
⑦ Failure to fulfill any terms and conditions of the Agreement requested by the Company
⑧ Payment of the service fee through the use of others' credit card, wired/wireless phone, or bank account without permission

2. Company may limit approval for use requests at its discretion in the presence of any of the conditions below
① When it is difficult to service normally because of service equipment error or overcrowded service use
② When internet service provider stops the service
③ When the Company cannot approve because of technical problem and/or other reasons
④ When problems relating to service or problems regarding payment options occur

Article 3 (Termination of Use)

1. A User who fulfills the conditions below will be considered as a User who has terminated use. The Company can modify and delete his/her account information.
① An account with pre-level 10 characters that has not logged into the game for a period of 6 months, and an account that is not using premium service
② An account that has not been logged in to the game for the past 1 year, and an account that is not using premium service

Article 4 (Service Fee)

1. Standard service other than the premium service is free, and there are no restrictions in playing the game even if the premium service is not used.

2. Apart from this Agreement, Users must agree to the user agreement of game items in order to perform any transactions of the game items

3. Apart from this Agreement, it is the users' responsibility to check the policy of using game items and cash policy in the user agreement of game items, and the Company will not be held responsible for problems that occur from not having read the user agreement of game item.

4. All Fees and Charges are non-refundable.

5. You have complete responsibility for the fee payments you make, thus it is your responsibility to manage your financial accounts in order to prevent fraud.

Chapter 3 Responsibilities

Article 1 (Company's Responsibilities)

1. Company shall use its best efforts to increase stability of the service and to find error in the system until termination of service.

2. Company shall protect against personal information leaks from the system and shall not provide the User's personal information to a third party.

3. Company shall repair or recover system errors without delay to provide continuous and stable services, except when the causes of the errors are natural disasters or emergencies.

4. Company shall make efforts to offer convenience to the users in execution of this Agreement, modifying the terms of the Agreement and other procedures and contents related to this Agreement.

5. Company shall provide notice of the privacy policy and observe related law and the privacy policy.

6. Company shall not send commercial emails to User when the User declares its refusal to accept such emails.

7. Company shall not use the personal information gathered for the purpose of providing or expanding services, and shall not provide the personal information of a User to a third party without the User's consent. Except in cases, when there is an official request following the procedures prescribed by the law, the personal information may not be disclosed.

Article 2 (User's Responsibilities)

1. User must register with their real name and accurate information without any falsehood when User registers for this service. The Company shall not be responsible for any losses to the User caused by false information.

2. The User must immediately notify the Company of any changes to personal information (email and others) by updating the user account information.

3. User has the responsibility to take care of his/her account and password.

4. User shall not illegally use other's accounts.

5. User shall not use service by company in any other way and shall not participate in the following activities when using the Services.
① Act of distributing content in game servers or websites without the permission of the copyright holder
② Act of advertising the Company's copyright and intellectual property rights in game servers or websites without the Company's permission.

6. User shall not violate other people's rights by using the services in violation of the public peace and morality.

7. The User must observe the terms in this Agreement and the Law, and shall not damage the reputation of the Company or cause interference to the Services.

8. User must read regularly and be familiar with the notices posted through the Web site.

9. User shall not complain of problems that arise due to use of other software not developed by the Company.

Chapter 4 Limitations and Suspension of Service

Article 1 (Service Contents and Modification)

1. Company provides games, activities, and other services to users through the internet.

2. The game contents may be modified during online and offline updates when making additions to the Game, releasing a new patch or making changes necessary for the game with prior notice.

3. Company shall post notice of system/network maintenance/inspection, modified agreement, event, operation, game update and others through the Web site. Users must regularly read and familiarize themselves with the notice posted on the Web site. Company shall not be liable for damages incurred by User due to User's failure to do so. But the Company shall post a special notice when definite and critical damage is expected to result from such modification.

4. Game data like character, item, play information and others can be modified for normal operation and management of the service. And back-up data can be used to restore information lost by unintended bug and/or mistake in the system. In such case, the latest back-up data will be the restored and no compensation for damage will be given in the basic service.

5. Company may terminate the service with prior notice under reasonable circumstances and no compensation for damage will be given in the basic service.

Article 2 (Use limitation of User)

1. When there are overwhelming problems such as natural disasters, national emergency, serious change of operation, etc., some portions of or all the services may be suspended or limited without prior notice.

2. The Company has the right to limit the services of such User when the User violates his/her responsibilities, operation policy and others and/or when the restoration work for item is needed.

3. User is solely responsible for managing user ID, password and character ID, and the Company shall not be responsible for any losses caused by the User's carelessness in user account management or illegal use by a third party.

4. Company shall have the right to retain all the game information such as user's account, character, item and etc. and shall have right to add, delete and modify if necessary the game plan and/or operation. Company shall also have the right to add, delete and modify game information such as user's account, character, item and etc. for system change with prior notice to user.

5. Main service territory of JOYMAX.COM constitutes of English-speaking countries in Europe and North/South America. Thus, local-language service may commence in other areas for better service, and global service may be limited in territories with such local service.

Article 3 (Suspension of Service or Termination of the Agreement)

1. A User may request for termination of agreement and/or suspension of service.

2. This Agreement shall be considered terminated at the end of service period.

3. Company may terminate the Agreement or suspend its service for a given period with notice when the user violates Article 2 of Chapter 3 and/or causes damages to Company due to his/her misconduct(whether intentional or not). In such case, user shall be liable for all damages (including reasonable fee, legal fee and etc.) incurred by the Company.

Article 4 (Application of Cookie)

1. Company may use Cookie that records and recalls information in order to provide valuable service to users. In addition, Company may create statistical data of all or some of the user information and use it with regard to its operation and transmit Cookie to user's computer through the service. In this case, user has the right to select the option to refuse the Cookie transmission or to change the browser setting to receive warnings of Cookie transmission. However, the user shall be solely responsible for its inability to use services that requires log-in, and any other problems caused by such inability.

Article 5 (Definition of Hacking)

1. Hacking shall mean acquisition and use of other's computerized information without permission. Hacking includes the following actions:
① Creating a new function that can harm the system
② Illegally penetrating into the information system without permission

Article 6 (Hacking Management)

1. Company shall delete or suspend forever the account owned by such hacker and/or temporarily restore all date in existence before hacking.

2. Hacker and the user of hacking program may be subject to civil or criminal liability in accordance with applicable statutes or regulations, and the Company shall not be liable.

Chapter 5 Compensation for Damage

Article 1 (Immunity from Responsibility and Compensation for Damage)

1. Company shall not be liable for damages to user's account (including loss of account, character, items, etc.) or its failure to continue service due to natural disasters or national emergency.

2. Company shall not be liable for service suspension or error caused by user misconduct.

3. Company shall not be liable for damages due to internet service error caused by internet service provider.

4. Company shall not be liable for service suspension or error caused by equipment maintenance, change, inspection, construction and other unavoidable reason that has been notified in advance.

5. Company, for situations that the Company cannot fully acknowledge that may lead to login delay or user losses because of lag( item loss, experience loss), will not be held responsible.

6. Company will not be held responsible for the credibility and accuracy of contents of documents and information transmitted from the User through the service or Web site.

7. Company has no responsibility to mediate conflicts that arise between users or between the user and a 3rd party or to compensate for any damages caused by such conflict.

8. Company shall not be liable to compensate for damages caused by the free service (standard service) it offers.

Chapter 6 Service for Test Purpose, etc.

1. The Company may provide a service for test purpose to all registered users before providing a new service as a premium service.

2. During the service for test purpose, modification, addition, deletion, etc of game data may be processed for the stability of service, and any game money, character, etc that the user has obtained during the test period may be initiated at the end of the test period.

This Agreement is effective from 10/4, 2007.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Joymax cannot hold anyone to thier TOS by law, once a company has failed to meet the standards for themself set forth by their own TOS the contract has no legal reprecussions, so pretty much their TOS is a waste of time to even bother to read now.

Quintus · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 299 **Location:**

Correct. but the only mention these TOS have to 3rd party programs is that if you use them, its not our problem if you get hacked.

What is your opinion on this pred. I would like to know.

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

Especially by the simple fact that it changed without previous mention. And it wasn’t even smooth, they couldn’t take the time to change the numbers on each policy, it went 1,2,4… like were retarded.

Pred · **Posted:** Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:10 pm

Contracts and Term of Services are not made to protect the consumer. In fact, they are only created to protect the company. In this case, you can make up your own decision.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Pred wrote:

Contracts and Term of Services are not made to protect the consumer. In fact, they are only created to protect the company. In this case, you can make up your own decision.

yes that is true, but the caviot to that is if the company violates their responsiblities then their TOS is voided also, and they have clearly violated their responsibilities on numerous occassions.

Key-J · **Posted:** Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:22 pm

I think you guys are being a lil harsh on Pred here. He is pretty much telling you some things, without actually telling you. Just need to be more accepting to the subliminal, maybe read between his lines.

Millenium · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 2732 **Location:** Waterloo

The company can neve violates its own TOS. The company is the law.

Apachai_ · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 148 **Location:**

Hmm if this is all true...probably is anyway, I would just like to say thank you very much Pred for trying to make the game better. I mean who in their right mind wouldn't but yea JM just dosent care, never did and never will.

JM dosent care about bots because player bots pay for silk (from ito's post, already knew this from the start) but do gold bots pay for silk? They make money from JM's game? JM must be getting some of that profit right? I think you gave it away in one of your earlier posts, oh well lots suspected it anyway.

Bots are allowed because they buy silk and profit the company, by allowing all kinds of bots, player bots and gold company bots flood the servers. Forget about bots ever being non-existent period.

JM dosent care about us, and if iSRO goes down, JM goes down...hmmm so iSRO is the major profiter for JM and since alot are quitting or have seen through JM and aren't supporting them (buying silk or voting or spreading word) because of their ways then silkroad is really dieing isnt it?

This is a great game, with huge potential to be even greater.

Oh well, I stopped supporting JM in every way, JM pays me now xD

GL in what ever you do next Pred and thanks again eh ^__^

Also you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVgjdM8FPl8

Key-J wrote:

I think you guys are being a lil harsh on Pred here. He is pretty much telling you some things, without actually telling you. Just need to be more accepting to the subliminal, maybe read between his lines.

Yep I picked up on it too xD

Pred · **Posted:** Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:38 pm

Millenium wrote:

The company can neve violates its own TOS. The company is the law.

The company has a right to change their ToS without notice.

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

cya around. you were always a cool guy. thx for working ur ass off on getting me unbanned back in the 70 cap. sucks that joymax failed. my stance on joymax has always been that they are slow as hell, but always get the job dont in the end. was kinda hoping u were the one to get the job done but i guess with you gone, there wont ever be an end to the bot problem.

cya around and good luck from me and nightbloom (she would say it herself but shes in the hospital)

Beaver · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 81 **Location:** England

Ciao Pred,

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

Pred wrote:

So anyways everyone has always suspected and have always nagged me from time to time. So it's my turn to come clean.

Recently you have come with the terms that Mary has once possessed the name morningdew. This is true. But it was stripped from her when she decided to leave Joymax (back in Sept). Since then I "Brian", aka "Employee A", aka "Silkypico" have taken over the role. But it was today which led my demise. Today I was fired for being a devoted employee to Joymax. For thirteen and a half months I have served you. Both positive and negative things have happened during the time period I was employed. But I always looked forward hoping that better things would happen for this game that I truly loved. Little did I know that the downfall would come to a brief end. I turned in my keys to the San Jose office and left with a smile on my face. Honestly, I could not be happier. I have made many friends, many enemies throughout the duration of my employment with Joymax. Today I will be leaving your community. Hopefully the next morningdew(s) will take care of you.

So far I have had 3 co-workers leave this company due to personal reasons. Most of them do not differ from my own. Sadly I still have friends that are dependent on this business. It will not be too long before everything will be set right.

Enjoy your game while it lasts. Cherish every minute of it. When it's over. Just never look back.

Hehe I always knew you were even though you denied it to me. Regardless man many of us saw this coming. Joymax is not a company I think anyone would want to work for. The things you could tell us perhaps if it were not for NDAs and concern over shortening friends jobs. It is the loss of a paycheck but I think your attitude on the whole thing speaks volumes about the environment there. That it is perhaps everything we suspected and more.

I enjoyed the game while I played. When I stopped enjoying it I all but quit. I cherish my memories of the past on it and all the fun I used to have with friends now gone. Not what it has become. And since it is over can't say I have looked back much. I am still running my guild there. But I don't buy silk and I don't grind. My plan is to just job and recruit the odd legit player I find or two. They are quite rare these days. All my energy and money of late has been going to Perfect World. And so far they have done brilliantly form the start. Though the battle has just started. With the mass migration of SRO players to this game the waves of bots have started as well. Wave after Wave of werefox bots. Every one of which has been banned promptly by the GMs. Something joymax never did.

Silky if you ever visit oracle server message tryst

I am always up for dungeon runs etc.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

ShadowSpell wrote:

Crumpets wrote:

Do you put finds into your paypal then buy silk? Or is your paypal linked to your bank account?

If it's the latter, simply ring up your bank and as for all payments from XX-XX-07 - XX-XX-08 that went to Joymax to be refunded.

Worked for me, all tho I did do it more than half a year ago.
Rabobank btw.

doing it this route, how far can you charge back silk? 3 months, a year?

Uhmm via my bank I COULD of done up to 6 months, but I had bought some silk for other people around that time so I was only sure that I was charging back my own silk over a period of 1-2 months.

If you TRY and chargeback via paypal, I think it's maxiumum of 1 1/2 months .. something like 40 days ... or could of been 140 days. Sorry not too sure on paypal there.

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

Key-J wrote:

I think you guys are being a lil harsh on Pred here. He is pretty much telling you some things, without actually telling you. Just need to be more accepting to the subliminal, maybe read between his lines.

Unfortunately I have been readin between the lines, and to me, Pred stated pretty clearly that JM will not ban botters, or do anything against them...

parry36 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:51 pm

good bye morningdew, plz u can tell us or give us a hint when 9d is out? plz

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

Pred wrote:

Millenium wrote:

The company can neve violates its own TOS. The company is the law.

The company has a right to change their ToS without notice.

but the tos says they will give notice of tos changes.

Operation Policy

"1. Purpose of the Operation Policy
......
3. The Operation Policy is subject to addition/revision/and deletion by the Operations Team. In the case of any changes to the Operation Policy, notice of such changes will be posted in advance on the homepage by the Operations Team. "

it may not be ILLEGAL for them to change their tos without telling us, but they do violate their own policy. so in effect they defeat the "Purpose of the Operation Policy."

phulshof · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 1137 **Location:**

A ToS is nice and all, but holds no legal status in most countries in the world. It's just a nice document a company can point to and say: See, that's why we don't have to help you out here. It's just like all those EULAs on software these days; just an excuse for a company as to why they're not responsible for your problems.

IowU · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 159 **Location:**

Quote:

by (Sparta)morningdew on Jan 15, 2008 06:15 am

If you buy a premium ticket, you will have PREFERRED GAME ACCESS which allows users to log into the game during server traffic hours

-Joymax Moderation Team

pred if morningdew is rly u (i sreiously doubt that) than i must say u r hypocrite...

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IowU wrote:

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by (Sparta)morningdew on Jan 15, 2008 06:15 am

If you buy a premium ticket, you will have PREFERRED GAME ACCESS which allows users to log into the game during server traffic hours

-Joymax Moderation Team

pred if morningdew is rly u (i sreiously doubt that) than i must say u r hypocrite...

Just shut up if you dont know the story,read bit,mite help u learn English better.

OT:So Pred pm me GM account info >_<

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