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Exactly. Getting a program grind for you doesn't count as "playing". Lulz0rz

It doesn't. However, if a person uses the program to get to a later point in the game so he/she can play the later parts of the game such as FW, or jobbing, than that is when they actually play. It's unfair for us as legits who must do this by hand, but it happens. We as legits want to play the entire game, botters just wanna play the end game. I still see both as playing, just simply one is taking a correct and legit route while the other is cheating.

This wouldn't happen of course if JM simply actually banned botters. People wouldn't have to be capped to stand a chance at jobbing and FW, and ppl wouldn't have to bot for that reason. If JM actually banned botters, than the only reason for botting remaining would be that they are selfish and want to own everyone else no matter what, or that they want to see the final skills (in which case pk2 would be an easier way).

I've read all the posts in this thread. I didn't reply to your post because you didn't bring anything new to this "discussion". Your thread ignores all previous posts and threads about this legit vs bot "discussion" that has been going on for the last few years on this forum. Oh, and you're still a dumbass.

If Joymax supports botting, they'll change the rules and stop banning bots. They might even make more money that way who knows. Since they don't, then there is no discussion.

LoL, you can't srsly take the current bans as actual bot bans. Like I said, this is just a front to lure possible new players. They see these weekly ban and think that JM is actually doing something. Once they're hooked to the game, they realize there's not gonna be a change. How would it look to the gaming community if when someone interviews you, you have to say, "No, we have never banned bots, we let them do as they please since we're incapable of doing shit."

Not very good. So they do these automated bans. They get rid of spambots allowing them to say that they are trying to actively get rid of cheaters while in actuality, they just sit back and collect the cash. There are approximately 5 spambots per city. There are 5 cities. That comes out to about 25 per server. There's about 2000-3000 bots banned per week. Take 1000 away from that meaning only 1000-2000 bots banned each week. Seems like a lot right? Wrong. The top academies often use clientless bots so they can retain their status. I know for a fact that half of the newbies at ongs are clientless being run solely for academy points. I'll only say that about 50 of those bots are clientless and have no prem or silk of any kind. That comes out to about 2000 bots. These numbers fluctuate per week, but you see where they get the numbers from. I'm pretty sure in some cities, you can have 10-15 spam bots. Not to mention the current afk players that are stuck inside the walls.

These bans are nothing. They are just trying to make it seem like they are against botting so they can save face in the public. If you don't see that, than I feel deeply sorry for you.

hahaha, stop using "jobbing" as an excuse. Does it even exist? If yes, how active is it? Ever heard about a dead server? How many trader, even the noob 1*, do you see in a day? And FW, one time per 2 weeks? So bot to the cap just for playing a time each 2 weeks? LOL

Do you see bots in vSRO and kSRO as much as in iSRO? No. Do ppl in these versions need a bot to be capped? No. Do they need to be capped to enjoy the game? No. Are they low lvl but still enjoy the game? Yes.

Back to 2-3 years ago, I enjoyed the game even though i was only lvl 40-50. I pvp and i can still do job, rob low lvl, 1* pop. Ofc, i can't win high lvl but i enjoyed pvping with ppl same or lower lvl. I have no rush in leveling so i know that someday, i'll reach their lvl and can fight them. So tell me, why it's a must that you need to be capped in 2-3 months, when it's not likely that the game will shut down in 1 year! You still have 3 or more years to play this game, or even your whole life!


Actually, i think that seeing things in black and white is an easy way to judge. I just don't accept the fact that you're agreed with a thing, then the next sentence you denied it completely with a "BUT...". Yes is yes, no is no, there is no "yes, but"...

Good luck with judging real life issues such as abortion, insane pleads for murder trials, and more. Life is rarely black and white. For an issue like this where so many are to blame, it's hardly a black and white issue. Sure you can sit there and say bot = bad, legit = good, but are they really that extreme? I personally could care less who is botting and who is a legit. As long as I can make friends with them and we can hang out, It's cool. At this point in the game when botting is so rampant, I don't know why people are so rawr botters die anymore. Sure SRF is a haven for legits, but do you have to be so anal whenever someone gets caught botting or admits to it? Someone could solve all the formulas for SRO and determine which build is best for which character, but the moment they say they're a botter, you would all turn face and start saying how bad they were. When I see someone leaving the legit side, I just say sry you decided to bot, it was fun having you as a legit. Not jump around waving pitchfork and brandishing a touch at my computer screen -_-

so now we are talking about real life or a game?
First, someone just claim anyone compare a game with real life is pathetic. And now, we talk about a game, and you blah blah smt about real life...

We are discussion about bots/legits, i don't care if you should making friends with bots or hang out with them. You have gone off topic, no one mentioned if you should or should not make friends with them. We are talking about an illegal program and the morality of the one who used it. Ofc, no one stop you to make friends with whoever you want, even with mafias or Osama Binladen.

Ppl would appreciate whoever solve the formulas and contribute a lot, as long as he stays a positive entity. If Enstein turned himself to a serial killer, i think he'd have a lot of thing to discuss.

It's great that they claim that. It's their opinion, not mine. Yes, i'm comparing real life and a game. My opinion is there are somethings that you can compare to real life, and others you can't. No matter what, it's never pure black and white in my opinion. For some, I could care less what you say, considering I actually take the time and read people's post and formulate a response instead of just glossing over and calling it bullshit, blah blah blah, or random rant and ravings.

You made you development in your arguments. Now tell us the conclusion. Tell us how good a bot is and botting is an inevitable fact.

So actual bot bans are not when bots are banned? What's the difference between bots really? Every inspection, players who don't cheat might be half hopeful for a change, but that isn't all that keeps people playing legit to stay legit. The only reason I'm legit, it's because that is the only way to play a game.

Would a botter be fearful every inspection? I know you are since you state it as a reason that you fear risking your account getting banned for botting. You believed and feared that it would be possible, yet you dismiss Joymax completely and stated that as the reason why people bot. Your reasoning is just as flexible, if not confused. Hopefully your dick is flexible also, so you can shove it in your own ass. While you're at it, the rest of your post are just ass-umptions.

I can see I have a better chance of fixing the US economy single handed than convincing you of anything, much less that i've never botted. I'll just let my lvl 74 over 4 years speak for himself.

Sure hope you're not accusing me of botting though. I also never said it's an inevitable fact. Did you read? I just say that it's very common due to JM's lax policies. Sure we as players are responsible for having trying it and making it, but I still think it's JM and their weak-ass approach at containing bots that led to this.

I would write more, but I can see you'll probably just reply with something along the lines of, "Blah blah, goseki didn't say anything different, same bot support dumbass hellfire cross repent."



Assumptions? Hardly. Like I said, doesn't take anyone with an IQ over a 3rd grader to realize that these bot bans are shit. Yes there is a diff between bots. There are clientless bots which are easy as **** to detect and playerbots who have been botting publicly for years and have clear evidence for their botting and are not banned. I don't know about you, but yes, I do cherish my main character as he is the only one I have and I have many fond memories playing that character. All my friends know me as that name and I have friends over 4 years on that account. I know if I bot, I prob won't get caught, but since that is my only main, I am not going to risk it. That does not mean that I think I will get caught. I srsly doubt it. Its just that I cherish it too much to sell or risk it in any way, no matter how small. I also don't see the need to bot as I already have 300/300 skill mastery masked and I don't feel like collecting the curse hearts necessary and farm 300k sp to re-do my skills.

im a botter.. u want screen how i run my 5sro clients?

Again, you are hoping to convince everyone that everything is JM's fault.

Now, explain me why in other versions of sro, there are still bots but not as worst as this one.

@Ilyas: yes i do

I dunno as I've only played iSRO, but do other versions have as large of a population as this one? Are there also 37 servers in other versions? Aren't other versions ran by JM for 1 country only? That could be part of it. iSRO is much more packed.

I remember hearing that kSRO is almost dead. Didn't cSRO or tSRO have a bot report function? Where a GM would check a person out if reported by multiple people?

IQ remains constant regardless of age, you fuckface. Clearly your head is too far up your ass to think.

Oh good, one less botter on forum.

If you're arguing, don't be a hypocrite. It ruins what little credibility you have.



Every botter I knew was not afraid of bot bans at all. Why? Because of how Joymax runs their game. You spend 20-$30 on a premium, you are safe for another month. Joymax set that precedence, the community picked up on it and exploited it. Jymax needs to fix their shit before anything can happen.

Also yes, the bot bans every week are a huge joke.



Doesn't one version like...offer you a bot past a certain point? You can't compare iSRO to other SRO versions. Other versions are completely dead compared to iSRO. Their communities are a thousand times smaller than ours. Obviously if you have a smaller community, there is less likely of a chance that shit will get out of hand.

You're right, I forgot, IQ is a relative scale. At least my mouth isn't where my ass is; I'm not the one resorting to taunts and insults to get my point across. Of course, it could be that you are only doing such as you could never have the balls to insult someone in real life and do it only when you know you are safe behind your little monitor.


Ty @ curve. Finally others realize that those bot bans aren't credible proof that JM is actively against botters.

Just like you when it comes to friends right? You seem to value your friends regardless if they screw the game you play

I do. The people I met in game when I played were awesome. I could care less if they botted 24/7. We still chilled in Vent and had fun.

Because you lack of informations so your arguments and excuses can't cover everything in the sro world.
First, kSRO is dead i agreed. It's dead because less players play it. But i prefer iSRO to be that way instead of being dead by the hands of bots.
Second, arguments such as "have no time to play" (when 90% baby-sit), "hate to smash key again and again" (when 100% of MMORPG is smashing keys to use skills), "needed to be cap to enjoy" are all false. Why? Coz in other version of sro is the best example, ppl choose to play to game themself and still enjoy the game at any level. Although there are GMs, but they are not strict, they don't ban bots 100%. And yes, they are all aware that cheating will make them God, but not everyone is asshole to turned to bot. How about iSRO? At the time when GM Crayon and ladyasiana were still there, the bans can't make them fear and ppl choose to turn themself to bot.
See? both versions meet the same situation, but they lead to different paths. You clearly know that sro has a lot of Turks and almost all of them are bots and asshole. So let them cheats and do what they want. It's not like you need to join them to be able to live in sro...


GJ making friends with them. I hope they'll cheat on smt to make you misable and I also hope your girlfriend cheat on you. Since cheating doesn't reflect anything so you got no reason to get angry, right?

People choose to play, but in iSRO, during the days of Crayon, there were nowhere near as many bots as there are now. The bot problem skyrocketed when GM's were removed from this game. It may be true that people in other versions of SRO chose to play correctly, and are nearly empty. However, this is iSRO, if there were 10 botting assholes on kSRO, as a multiple nation game, iSRO would have 1000 assholes to deal with. The international factor also makes assholes more prevalent once racial supremacist starts being thrown in.

I told you to stop being a hypocrite. Pick a side and stay there.

They made my SRO experience more fun honestly. They would turn off their bots and we'd run a special goods trade run just for fun. At one point, we were all in the top 10 Traders/Hunters. Good times back then, good times.

So if they decide to hack you then you're cool with it too I guess. Botting is cheating, no different to any other way of cheating in a game.


I see one right now and it's you Goseki, you Farking asshole. **** racial "supremacist", we're not arguing in circles anymore now we're going off tangent.

W...T...F.... How am I being an asshole??? Really you must have the most 2-sided use for words or you're just trying to throw out as many insults as possible. I was simply responding to what silo said about how assholes bot in xSRO, but in iSRO, we have alot more competition to go to cap due to multiple races playing the game. I know from personal experience that country guilds and unions start popping up with more and more tension between them.


I thought of another example of the botting problem. Take Counter-Strike for example. Everyone knows that hacking and auto-aim bots are against the rules. However, if you ever go into a non-VAC secure server, you better have a faster comp with auto-aim bots or else you'll just get anally raped over and over until you leave the server. Everyone knows that botting is against JM's TOS, but seeing as they don't enforce it, people take advantage of it making it a common thing such as hacks on non-vacs.

It goes both ways. Atm peer pressure pushes people to bot since you have all accepted it as a valid alternative.



Which is why I told you we failed. I fought it till the day I quit while many of you rolled over instantly. Funny you all seem to consider venus something new and unique. Venus is neither. Venus was modeled after the original servers circa 60 cap maybe early 70 cap. Botters were outcast or pariah till they quit or stopped botting. Had you all actually worked for something perhaps things would be better today. But as I said the servers you have are the servers you deserve. Enjoy them. Lol if you can.



It was not the fact that joymax just stopped caring that emboldened them. It was the fact that joymax just stopped caring that made you give up trying to support a legitimate community. And look where it got you.



False MMO is about community of a sorts. If you are spaming and griefing you are doing it wrong end of story. There are all sorts of ways to have fun antagonism etc without having to resort to juvenile tactics like griefing. Ways in which everyone can have fun. Not just the selfish griefer.

lol why would they hack me? I'm not making friends with known hackers. I'm making friends with people who are cool. Excuse me for choosing my friends wisely. We all shared accounts and not once did any of us get "hacked."

I suggest you choose your friends a little more carefully next time.

Also, I'm aware botting is cheating. I just don't care if someone bots. That's the person I am though. I'll make friends with just about any one. I played on Hera, which is very populated by Turks. I was always the one in the guild who would sit there South DW trying to learn a little bit of Turkish with one of the main Turk botters.

Well duh you think? They are self serving narcisists. Of course they think of no one but themselves.



I call BS. Trust me I got to end game. I had more fun before I got there.



This has been disproven so many times. How shall we disprove it today?


Then my friend it seems this is the wrong forum for you. GB2R6

So? If they are assholes, let them be. Because they are assholes so it's a must to turn to asshole too?


You clearly didn't get what i was trying to say.

On the contrary, I understood perfectly. However, I don't think you realized what you did. Which was completely contradict your statement that "someone just claim anyone compare a game with real life is pathetic. And now, we talk about a game, and you blah blah smt about real life..."

Check yourself next time, kid.

I'll humor you for a second though.

If my girlfriend cheated on me, I would get back at her. There are these things called priorities. I believe I have my priorities straight.

Real life comes before SRO.
Girlfriend comes before SRO.
Taking a shit comes before SRO.
Bi-annual dentist visit comes before SRO.

Understand? SRO was nothing to me but another chat program with a cool little mini game called "grinding" built in.

I never once got hacked either if that's what you're implying. You just avoided the question completely by dismissing the point I was trying to make. You might distinguish between botting and other forms of cheating, but I believe the biggest reason botters don't go all the way (and do other forms of cheating) is because most don't know how. Given that there is a known security leak, I bet you that people who have cheated before (botting) would be more than happy to jump at the first opportunity to try it out and take advantage of it. Cheating is still cheating.