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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:49 pm 
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It's like having a ID card, without it you would be suspected for being a illegal immigrant, and might be subjected to penalty. As for party grinding with legits, I could really understand it, you don't wanna be helping bots gain experience, which will be a threat to the legit community. Strict it might seems, but it's really not much difference from real life. For example, you will be interrogated for the possibility of being an accomplice in a crime if you mingle with a criminal. However, whether they would abide these rules to be a part of the community, is another question.

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I'm talking that the http://www.igamelegit.com is not his business ! Its our stuff ! Don't like !? Why bother ?

I'm a member of venus now. Later when i reach lvl 40+ and guildless. I don't want to be called bot or pked.
Got a problem with that?


Why play on Venus then ?

Don't like it , then don't play ! Easy

I play to prove you how stupid the rule "40+ and guildless = bot + pk" is. Do it, more legit and noobs will be afraid to join your sever.

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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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now his guild members and he are considered illegit because of the 50+ rule, which is retarded.

That line of rule, from my own understanding (correct me if I'm too far off) is in place to erase as much doubt to legitness as humanely possible. I'm talking about enforcing and monitoring legitimacy without the heavy burden of human power. The lvl 40+ or so that levels up in a whitelisted party will be self monitoring each other for legitimacy.

It isn't the best solution, but it is a solution that works. If you can think of a better way that works better, feel free to suggest so other legit communities on other servers can benefit.

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hey guys im lvl 42 and i made my own guild because i dont discriminate against legits nor bots.
oh hey look here comes nightblo- WTF DID I GET PKED FOR.


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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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I hope no noobs bots will join our server !

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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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i think i shall remind you all that:

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2 )There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.


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Yes, but if I wanted to join some friends on the server venus, maybe create a small guild with them or w/e just for fun. Would I be treated as a bot just because I am not in the confed? Your rules point out not to associate with anyone outside as the confed as they are a bot.

I checked that site last night and saw a general discussion section, and a dungeon section used to catch out botters and wrongdoers. This section had at least three times more posts/topics then the GD did, some members even sign up just to use the dungeon, they thrive on catching botters, or even people partying with botters. That's pretty sad imo

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Why you think we will do that ? lol

Do you murder all guild less on sight ??


I think you do that because the "Confederation" tells you to. You treat this "Confederation" like a religion, like a god.

No I don't murder all guildless people, neither do I play Venus. I respect peoples right to remain guildless.

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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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hey guys im lvl 42 and i made my own guild because i dont discriminate against legits nor bots.
oh hey look here comes nightblo- WTF DID I GET PKED FOR.

For supporting bots.

This, people, is an example of someone who just doesn't get it.

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i think i shall remind you all that:

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2 )There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.


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Yes, but if I wanted to join some friends on the server venus, maybe create a small guild with them or w/e just for fun. Would I be treated as a bot just because I am not in the confed? Your rules point out not to associate with anyone outside as the confed as they are a bot.

I checked that site last night and saw a general discussion section, and a dungeon section used to catch out botters and wrongdoers. This section had at least three times more posts/topics then the GD did, some members even sign up just to use the dungeon, they thrive on catching botters, or even people partying with botters. That's pretty sad imo


Then get your guild to level two and get it whitelisted. Problem solved.

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I play to prove you how stupid the rule "40+ and guildless = bot + pk" is. Do it, more legit and noobs will be afraid to join your sever.


so by what you are saying we should accept to the guild every single gold botter out there?
they all are guildless and 40+
this rule was created because there is way less chances that some one who joins the guild at lvl 12 per example than at lvl 40 will turn out to be a botter.

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Why you think we will do that ? lol

Do you murder all guild less on sight ??


I think you do that because the "Confederation" tells you to. You treat this "Confederation" like a religion, like a god.

No I don't murder all guildless people, neither do I play Venus. I respect peoples right to remain guildless.


We pk only bots that grind in our area that we lure with mobs ! If you don't bot you don't have to worry about !

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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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i think i shall remind you all that:

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2 )There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.


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Yes, but if I wanted to join some friends on the server venus, maybe create a small guild with them or w/e just for fun. Would I be treated as a bot just because I am not in the confed? Your rules point out not to associate with anyone outside as the confed as they are a bot.

I checked that site last night and saw a general discussion section, and a dungeon section used to catch out botters and wrongdoers. This section had at least three times more posts/topics then the GD did, some members even sign up just to use the dungeon, they thrive on catching botters, or even people partying with botters. That's pretty sad imo


Then get your guild to level two and get it whitelisted. Problem solved.


Would that mean I would be entering the confed, as I really don't want to do that. (Legitimate question, don't understand this whitelist/blacklist shit)

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Who really cares anymore, when even the founders of the guild/union/.. are ex boters and
got their other goldbot guilds and bot alts ....

Joymax braking their own tos, making the game non legit and by that all who play it are non legit too. END.

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i think i shall remind you all that:

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2 )There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.


:shock:


Yes, but if I wanted to join some friends on the server venus, maybe create a small guild with them or w/e just for fun. Would I be treated as a bot just because I am not in the confed? Your rules point out not to associate with anyone outside as the confed as they are a bot.

I checked that site last night and saw a general discussion section, and a dungeon section used to catch out botters and wrongdoers. This section had at least three times more posts/topics then the GD did, some members even sign up just to use the dungeon, they thrive on catching botters, or even people partying with botters. That's pretty sad imo


Then get your guild to level two and get it whitelisted. Problem solved.


Would that mean I would be entering the confed, as I really don't want to do that. (Legitimate question, don't understand this whitelist/blacklist shit)[/quote]
It means you agree that no one in your guild bots, has no third party clients, doesn't party with bots, doesn't get powerlevel from bots. That is *all* there is to it, yet people blow it out of proportion.

You can stay separate from the unions if you like, but your guild will be known as safe to party with.

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For supporting bots.

This, people, is an example of someone who just doesn't get it.


avalon reminds me of scientology.
i'd rather be friends with bots than legits, atleast most bots dont have cocks up their ass.


Now I see ! Not hard to figure it out !

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Whatever the rules are by the Confederation, the end results are = lots of fun. These players are not brainwashed, as you might think. They flame on forums with passion because they're prepared to fight and preserve the fun they have experienced. Enjoyment can be a very strong stimulus for fanaticism. With that in mind, maybe just hold back a bit (venusians). Let the non Venusians have an open discussion. It would be a boon to the rest if you would help facilitate by elucidating the finer points of the rules of the confederation so to speak.

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Oh wow, one typo. So now you have to attack my GRAMMAR. Aren't we mummy's special little boy?

Seriously, you only don't agree with the Confed because YOU can't do what YOU want. By your attitude to bots, one would assume you do so yourself, but I'm not going to make accusations. You don't like it, don't play on Venus. That way it's never a problem to you.

If you still don't understand what the Confed is about, maybe you should learn about "denial of service" to the receiving party.


I totally agree with Necrobat !

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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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Thank god i don't play on venus. It's not a legit server its a friken sad unfun drama server, sadly its usually 5-10 in each server except for Venus its 3/4th of the server...

EcSRO has active GM's people don't dare bot for days afk...

Nobody forced you to join the confederation.. pfft... The rules are basically out performing any new guys that join and leveled in with an unlegit guild.

As far as am concerned if your computer doesn't have a bot your LEGIT... Being plvled by a BOT or in a 8/8 party with a unknown person or even a bot is Joymax's problem. If they cared so much of keeping all the servers legit there wouldn't be any bots.

And last i knew the people that actually started legit on venus were pro botters.

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 Post subject: Re: So this is Avalon union rule
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i think i shall remind you all that:

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2 )There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.

If you don't join the confederation, you'll be called bot, as the rule state. Isn't it didn't leave much choice for ppl who wants to create their own guild? They just want to live in peace.

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wow where did you people get this from? we do not run around killing every guildless 40+ that just makes no sense and the reason that guildless lvl 40+ players are considered bots because 99% of them actually are and being a guildless 40+ is not fun on any server ive been through its just boring as hell

Guildless doesnt need to be gold bots.
Situation:
Legit:"I left my guild so i have to wait 3 days to join another guild"
A confederation member saw him on the road and shout: "omg, guildless let's pk him, Farking botter!
Is this example clear to you?

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Then get your guild to level two and get it whitelisted. Problem solved.

I do whatever i want with my guild. Why do I have to follow your idea just to be whitelisted and live in peace? You are the one who search for war.

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so by what you are saying we should accept to the guild every single gold botter out there?
they all are guildless and 40+
this rule was created because there is way less chances that some one who joins the guild at lvl 12 per example than at lvl 40 will turn out to be a botter.

I didn't said that. Did what I write too hard to understand?
Just remove from the rule "whoever is not in confederation guild is bot"

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We pk only bots that grind in our area that we lure with mobs ! If you don't bot you don't have to worry about !

No one bot, you are the one who call them bot for not being in the conf. guilds.

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It means you agree that no one in your guild bots, has no third party clients, doesn't party with bots, doesn't get powerlevel from bots. That is *all* there is to it, yet people blow it out of proportion.

You can stay separate from the unions if you like, but your guild will be known as safe to party with.

Oh, why do you need to care about someone else's guild? They don't need to follow your guild rule, they have their own rule. But still as the rule stated, his guild is not in the confederation so he is a bot.

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Oh wow, one typo. So now you have to attack my GRAMMAR. Aren't we mummy's special little boy?

Seriously, you only don't agree with the Confed because YOU can't do what YOU want. By your attitude to bots, one would assume you do so yourself, but I'm not going to make accusations. You don't like it, don't play on Venus. That way it's never a problem to you.

If you still don't understand what the Confed is about, maybe you should learn about "denial of service" to the receiving party.


I totally agree with Necrobat !

I have nothing to agree with that. I play on server i want. I don't have to follow any rule. It's just "I dont touch you, you dont touch me". You have your own camp, I have my own camp. Simple as that, is it hard to understand?
If no one call you a bot, why do you have to call me bot/blacklisted me? (if im guildless)

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Rofl it's just a game why so many rules and regulations.

Because some of us would rather see this game in the hands of those who want it to be how it's SUPPOSED to be.

Bots aren't supposed to be rampant. They're not getting banned anytime soon, so the easiest solution is to run them off. Not the easiest job, but doable. And these rules help achieve that goal.

I'll break the rules down into easy English people can understand, in simpler terms and MAYBE things will start to make sense.

The whole idea behind the rules of the Confederation is to deny bots FUN. While keeping people CLEAN. Sounds strict, but in reality it is. Breaks down to this;
Don't bot.
Don't use third party addons.
Don't party with bots.
Don't get powerlevel from bots.

The first two are simple enough. The last two are akin to botting, as you are benefiting from the program anyway.

As for the Lv40+ and guildless, it's to help know who is and isn't legit. I'm not sure if the Confed does single person whitelisting (didn't when I last played), but it's a lot easier to keep track of guildnames then single player names. You can get whitelisted and not be part of the main unions. But if you don't get whitelisted you're stating "I support bots" because that's all the Confed stands against; and if that i the truth you're part of the problem.

Everybody is throwing grudges into the mix and you're blinding yourself from what is really happening.

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how about this, my buddy finds this awesome game silkroadonline and tells me and 5 other friends
we all download it and play deciding venus was a kickass name so we play there. we are happily joyously playing when we hit lvl 40(yayyy) we finally pool all our money and make a guild(yayy) but we don't know about this confederation and are constantly getting pked. we feel like shit feeling unwanted and disliked so we worked hard spent money(on silk)and quit the game/server. what then?

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how about this, my buddy finds this awesome game silkroadonline and tells me and 5 other friends
we all download it and play deciding venus was a kickass name so we play there. we are happily joyously playing when we hit lvl 40(yayyy) we finally pool all our money and make a guild(yayy) but we don't know about this confederation and are constantly getting pked. we feel like shit feeling unwanted and disliked so we worked hard spent money(on silk)and quit the game/server. what then?


What then?

You quit the game/server. And then, you can go Q.Q and bitch about it in forums.

It's that simple.


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1. Tell me how many servers in Silkroad available ?

2. If you don't like and don't understand it why other people need to hate Venus and legit players rules ? Keep your opinion for yourself !

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how about this, my buddy finds this awesome game silkroadonline and tells me and 5 other friends
we all download it and play deciding venus was a kickass name so we play there. we are happily joyously playing when we hit lvl 40(yayyy) we finally pool all our money and make a guild(yayy) but we don't know about this confederation and are constantly getting pked. we feel like shit feeling unwanted and disliked so we worked hard spent money(on silk)and quit the game/server. what then?

Ask somebody what's going on. If you don't ask, don't expect people to know you don't know.

Even then, a lot of the feeder guilds (guilds full of low players to help low players) would have been more then happy to take you on your way up to 40.

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how about this, my buddy finds this awesome game silkroadonline and tells me and 5 other friends
we all download it and play deciding venus was a kickass name so we play there. we are happily joyously playing when we hit lvl 40(yayyy) we finally pool all our money and make a guild(yayy) but we don't know about this confederation and are constantly getting pked. we feel like shit feeling unwanted and disliked so we worked hard spent money(on silk)and quit the game/server. what then?

Ask somebody what's going on. If you don't ask, don't expect people to know you don't know.

Even then, a lot of the feeder guilds (guilds full of low players to help low players) would have been more then happy to take you on your way up to 40.


i made my own guild we arent social. so we don't talk to anyone. you guys gonna continually pk and shun us?

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how about this, my buddy finds this awesome game silkroadonline and tells me and 5 other friends
we all download it and play deciding venus was a kickass name so we play there. we are happily joyously playing when we hit lvl 40(yayyy) we finally pool all our money and make a guild(yayy) but we don't know about this confederation and are constantly getting pked. we feel like shit feeling unwanted and disliked so we worked hard spent money(on silk)and quit the game/server. what then?

Ask somebody what's going on. If you don't ask, don't expect people to know you don't know.

Even then, a lot of the feeder guilds (guilds full of low players to help low players) would have been more then happy to take you on your way up to 40.


i made my own guild we arent social. so we don't talk to anyone. you guys gonna continually pk and shun us?

If you don't speak up no one will know. In which case that's YOUR problem.

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But if you don't get whitelisted you're stating "I support bots" because that's all the Confed stands against; and if that i the truth you're part of the problem.
If that's how it works, then yes. I support bots. Mods ban me pl0x.

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how about this, my buddy finds this awesome game silkroadonline and tells me and 5 other friends
we all download it and play deciding venus was a kickass name so we play there. we are happily joyously playing when we hit lvl 40(yayyy) we finally pool all our money and make a guild(yayy) but we don't know about this confederation and are constantly getting pked. we feel like shit feeling unwanted and disliked so we worked hard spent money(on silk)and quit the game/server. what then?

Ask somebody what's going on. If you don't ask, don't expect people to know you don't know.

Even then, a lot of the feeder guilds (guilds full of low players to help low players) would have been more then happy to take you on your way up to 40.


i made my own guild we arent social. so we don't talk to anyone. you guys gonna continually pk and shun us?


Please show me where you found that we will pk you ?

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