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 Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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so you would stand there, and let him attack you the whole time? you realize movement is an important part of pvp?

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so you would stand there, and let him attack you the whole time? you realize movement is an important part of pvp?

I'm just saying, there are ways around it. And movement isn't really that good in SRO so I wouldn't say movement is that important. As far as I see it, Shadow Walk is the only movemnt that I consider useable. Try to walk away from an earth quake by a wizard. Even though you are out of range it's still gonna hit you. Imo, in SRO movemnt isn't that important.

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technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds

im telling i never lose to chinese

edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol


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so you would stand there, and let him attack you the whole time? you realize movement is an important part of pvp?

I'm just saying, there are ways around it. And movement isn't really that good in SRO so I wouldn't say movement is that important. As far as I see it, Shadow Walk is the only movemnt that I consider useable. Try to walk away from an earth quake by a wizard. Even though you are out of range it's still gonna hit you. Imo, in SRO movemnt isn't that important.
it is when your the person you are fighting cant move....

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so you would stand there, and let him attack you the whole time? you realize movement is an important part of pvp?

I'm just saying, there are ways around it. And movement isn't really that good in SRO so I wouldn't say movement is that important. As far as I see it, Shadow Walk is the only movemnt that I consider useable. Try to walk away from an earth quake by a wizard. Even though you are out of range it's still gonna hit you. Imo, in SRO movemnt isn't that important.
it is when your the person you are fighting cant move....

They dont have to move if they are ranged.

Warlocks dont have that much range.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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Cell, you do know you can cancel the wall right? =p

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See? XMoshe understands :D As I said, there are ways to go around it :)

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technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds

im telling i never lose to chinese

edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol


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Ah dammit, I've already PM'd SM-Count :D Hope he doesn't hate me lol ^^

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technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds

im telling i never lose to chinese

edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol


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Just hope he's in a good mood and doesn't ban you for bothering him. He's done it before.


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Cell, you do know you can cancel the wall right? =p

that is true, but doesnt that defeat its purpose, why even put it up then?

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so you would stand there, and let him attack you the whole time? you realize movement is an important part of pvp?

I'm just saying, there are ways around it. And movement isn't really that good in SRO so I wouldn't say movement is that important. As far as I see it, Shadow Walk is the only movemnt that I consider useable. Try to walk away from an earth quake by a wizard. Even though you are out of range it's still gonna hit you. Imo, in SRO movemnt isn't that important.


Movement can be important in SRO, if it's part of a strategy. Moving away from an immobile opponent to force him into breaking the wall, isn't a bad strategy.

If you just run away from your opponent, because you are scared that is lame indeed, but if you walk away to find an oppening in the enemies defence that's a good strategy. You force the opponent to break down the wall in order to come close to you again. When he does that, you can react fast and strike back, for example as warlock you could just stun him, debuff him and kill him.

In fact i think SRO-PVP shouldn't be just about pressing buttons and as int-warlock it would be just stupid not to run away from a opponent. Most of your skills won't have an effect then, but if you get out of the opponents range, he is forced to give up on this advantage, if he wants to continue with the battle and this is exactly your chance to strike back.

Another thing, that wall skills may have a great advantage against warlocks, since status effects, knock back, etc. will be useless, but why should you get only the advantages of the skill? The skill has a disadvantage too, which is making you immobile. If your opponent is smart enough to defeat you due to that disadvantage, that's too bad for you. Maybe you should prepare a strategy for such situations then. The skill (Fire/Ice Wall) is supposed to be like that. If you don't want to deal with the disadvantages, simply don't use it, but then you won't get the advantages of that skill either.


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Cell, you do know you can cancel the wall right? =p

that is true, but doesnt that defeat its purpose, why even put it up then?

Joymax should let you move on ice/fire walls like any other chineses buff...


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Just hope he's in a good mood and doesn't ban you for bothering him. He's done it before.

Lol, na he didn't ban me and he gave me a good answer. Big ups to SM-Count ! :)

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technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds

im telling i never lose to chinese

edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol


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apan wrote:
Tasdik wrote:
Just hope he's in a good mood and doesn't ban you for bothering him. He's done it before.

Lol, na he didn't ban me and he gave me a good answer. Big ups to SM-Count ! :)

Oh, perhaps my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough for you.

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CeLL wrote:
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Cell, you do know you can cancel the wall right? =p

that is true, but doesnt that defeat its purpose, why even put it up then?


I put it up sometimes and before it's down I get a stat on the other + I knock them on the floor. Why wait till they get up again, remove the wall and you can stab. Or if they, like this guy here, walk away in a middle of a pvp you can just cancel it and chase him. You can always throw it up again.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:19 am 
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i dont think he meant he walks away cause he cant deal with it. im pretty sure he walks away cause the other player cant move and he knows he could kill them but chooses not too. i think its funny as shit to leave an immobile character standing there screaming to let them attack you, lest they intercourse your family.

If you use Iceberg Wall the warlock can't put any spells on you, and can't remove it either since he has no phy. atk... So I stand my ground on this one.

He can take the wall off because he is a warrior.

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Cell, you do know you can cancel the wall right? =p

that is true, but doesnt that defeat its purpose, why even put it up then?

Joymax should let you move on ice/fire walls like any other chineses buff...


No, it shouldn't. Walls are powerfull enough, even if you can't move, while you use it.

Being able to move during Walls would be kinda overpowered in my opinion.


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why should that matter? no one seems to mind the black res O-P'ness.

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Actually i don't think it is that unfair. Every good PVP party should have several people with cleric anyway (either as sub or as main). So both sides should be able to use it and the better pt will win, even if the other one is using black ress all the time. Besides there is a great disadvantage with black ress too, you can't kill anyone. So it's actually all fair. At least we never had problems defeating opponents in black ress during battle arena, when we had a good pt for it. But maybe it's getting harder later on.


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joymax is a dumb company im not sure they're watching how their games going... watch silkroad. the most easy thing to notice when you play this game is : why euros are op than chinese? maybe they are racist i dont know but you cant even say wow these chinese char are op.. srsly. this is just ridiculous, im pretty sure they never played their own games lol..

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joymax is a dumb company im not sure they're watching how their games going... watch silkroad. the most easy thing to notice when you play this game is : why euros are op than chinese? maybe they are racist i dont know but you cant even say wow these chinese char are op.. srsly. this is just ridiculous, im pretty sure they never played their own games lol..

It’s a marketing stratagy. Everyone was chinese till 80 cap. They bring in a race that is just better in every way AND make them less party dependant AND reduce the pot delay from 30 to 15 seconds for international pussies. Every one and their mother will wanna make a euro and spend money all over again.

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but idk i think that euros are the most op at low lvls.. but at high lvls thats another thing

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why should that matter? no one seems to mind the black res O-P'ness.

WTF AM I READING.
No one seems to mind the black res OPness? Im telling you if you sat next to me right now I would have to slap your shit up.

LESS PARTY DEPENDANT? WTF euros are made for party grinding. Chinese stand alone. FCK

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no not in isro.
Nerf the cleric a bit, increase the pot delay to 30, and several other things that were changed for the isro pussies. then well talk about being party dependant.

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no not in isro.
Nerf the cleric a bit, increase the pot delay to 30, and several other things that were changed for the isro pussies. then well talk about being party dependant.


You seem to be missinformed. At least on KSRO there aren't any major differences for euros except these:
Holy Word 50% resistance instead of 100% resistance.
Go ahead and take a look at KSRO, if you don't believe me, but the differences aren't that big actually. Except the holy word thing, there is only that the chinese are slightly stronger. The imbues last a little longer and the buffs are slightly stronger, but these 2 are currently the only differences between KSRO and ISRO. On JSRO there seem to be some bigger differences though, but you can't play there anyway, unless you are Japanese yourself.


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no not in isro.
Nerf the cleric a bit, increase the pot delay to 30, and several other things that were changed for the isro pussies. then well talk about being party dependant.


You seem to be missinformed. At least on KSRO there aren't any major differences for euros except these:
Holy Word 50% resistance instead of 100% resistance.
Go ahead and take a look at KSRO, if you don't believe me, but the differences aren't that big actually. Except the holy word thing, there is only that the chinese are slightly stronger. The imbues last a little longer and the buffs are slightly stronger, but these 2 are currently the only differences between KSRO and ISRO. On JSRO there seem to be some bigger differences though, but you can't play there anyway, unless you are Japanese yourself.


Doesn't Ksro have the weapon restrictions for warrior and cleric skills? I remember seeing vids and suff about that.

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no not in isro.
Nerf the cleric a bit, increase the pot delay to 30, and several other things that were changed for the isro pussies. then well talk about being party dependant.


You seem to be missinformed. At least on KSRO there aren't any major differences for euros except these:
Holy Word 50% resistance instead of 100% resistance.
Go ahead and take a look at KSRO, if you don't believe me, but the differences aren't that big actually. Except the holy word thing, there is only that the chinese are slightly stronger. The imbues last a little longer and the buffs are slightly stronger, but these 2 are currently the only differences between KSRO and ISRO. On JSRO there seem to be some bigger differences though, but you can't play there anyway, unless you are Japanese yourself.


Doesn't Ksro have the weapon restrictions for warrior and cleric skills? I remember seeing vids and suff about that.

No, they don't. That's JSRO only.

At least last time, when i played it there were no restrictions. And that was after the last major update on KSRO. Currently i have the recent KSRO client, but i don't really bother playing anymore, since KSRO is dead.


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originally it was different. i dont actually care. i prefer chinese anyway. except warlock.

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No, they don't. That's JSRO only.

At least last time, when i played it there were no restrictions. And that was after the last major update on KSRO. Currently i have the recent KSRO client, but i don't really bother playing anymore, since KSRO is dead.

Oh damn.
Same here, i'm keeping Ksro cos i'd like to take a look at what new stuff they get. :D

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