Who says hybrid is bad?

Elemental · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 261 **Location:**

tomiotar wrote:

The discussion about the equal balance builds you can find applied to a bow in the "Character Skills" section (http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=24752). After 25 page of discussion I've decide to put numbers at all the especulation and give me this:

Quoting me

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How damage might be calculated
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mag_dmg_base = int*int_reinforce/100 + mag_dmg
phy_dmg_base = (str*str_reinforce/100 + phy_dmg)*(100+wep_mastery_lv)/100

//damage output
phy_damage = (skill_dmg + base_phy_dmg) * skill_dmg_percent
mag_damage = (imbue_dmg * mastery_bonus_imbue +base_mag_dmg) * skill_dmg_percent

total_damage_output = phy_damage * phy_balance + mag_damage * mag_balance

The graphic was made with the highest values of attack, reinforcement and fire imbue. On the graphic you can see the damage evolution as a function of the amount of int that you add to your build (with no int or str on the gear) on a lvl80 char with a 72 bow. At same time I've add the HP evolution that is the other really important factor to take into account.

I will not put again that was discuss over 26 pages. On the page 25 you will find all the numbers that I calculate and the considerations that I've made to make those calculations. On the graphic you will see the evolution as a function of the int that you can add up to lvl 80.

+1

This is everything i tried to say, proving that empaz doesnt know what he is talking about.

LuCiDiTy · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 276 **Location:**

empaZ wrote:

Elemental wrote:

Ok i understand it now. You still dont understand how dmg in this game works. You use skills without imbue because you are older than 12? Get a clue, if I ask an int how much they do with kd on me, they wont do it without imbue and do their 500 dmg. They are obviously gonna use imbue and try to do max dmg. Logic is something you need to learn

dude i have spend more time calculating dmg and how its works then you grinding O.o logical if you ask a int your interested in their magical dmg... cause you would ask a str how much hes nukes do would you? that kinda stupid and pointless

so if i say whats your hp should you then put on items that maxed your hp or the gear you use? i didnt ask your max hp i asked for your hp... meaning just your hp... so if i ask dmg i dont ask for max whit all you can i ask for your dmg whit that skill... not whit imbue just plain the skill.... get it ? or should i draw a picture ?

You are wrong. If someone ask how much dmg you do ofcourse you use imbue+skill. And if someone ask how much hp you have you have your stuff on you. Knowing someones hp naked is pointless.

mushrooms · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 675 **Location:**

Would adding only INT from now on for my lvl 57 character have any hybrid benefits? It is pure STR so far.

If you ask me, I do not care about crits, because they never come when I actually need it.

hellsharpt · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 3003 **Location:** Khadgar

everyone is entitled to their opinion, but be respectful.

TYVM for putting up the damage information, it's something that I spent a few hours looking for and never found.

Elemental · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 261 **Location:**

Its nice how everyone (i think

) has agreed with the imbue dmg counts arguement. empaZ you are the one who needs to learn when to quit, expecially when everyone has been against you.

empaZ · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 73 **Location:**

Elemental wrote:

+1

This is everything i tried to say, proving that empaz doesnt know what he is talking about.

i stand corrected i guess... to lazy to read the whole thing after work but whatever.. to long since i cared about it...

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Its nice how everyone (i think Razz) has agreed with the imbue dmg counts arguement. empaZ you are the one who needs to learn when to quit, expecially when everyone has been against you.

okey... so if someone ask for dmg whit gsm you say the crit dmg? i mean that the max you can get so your say that? cause quoting yourself you would try to max it whit imbue and it doesnt get more maxed then crited

good to know.. or are you gonna say against yourself now?

and yeah i have my opinion but i stand for them... in swedish we call that civilkurage and according to me that the best thing you can have. but whatever ppl can think and say what they want on internet. and just cause everyone is whit you doesnt make your opinion right

just look at 1940 germany

Elemental · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 261 **Location:**

Quote:

Its nice how everyone (i think

) has agreed with the imbue dmg counts arguement. empaZ you are the one who needs to learn when to quit, expecially when everyone has been against you.

empaZ · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 73 **Location:**

Elemental wrote:

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Its nice how everyone (i think

) has agreed with the imbue dmg counts arguement. empaZ you are the one who needs to learn when to quit, expecially when everyone has been against you.

Gratz on most worthless quote ever

im gonna start qouting myself to just cause it so useless

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They are obviously gonna use imbue and try to do max dmg.

to max you have to crit

so answer: Do you count crit dmg then?
my guess no. So are you saying: My gsm do xxxxdmg whit imbue? my guess no. so you should say "My gsm do xxxxdmg whitout crit." or "My gsm do xxxxdmg whit imbue and crit."

but yeah i still think a weapon skills isnt = the skill + imbue.
my opinion you cant say im wrong you can just say your opinion and we can agree to disagree or whatever

(i just use gsm cause im lazy)

Elemental · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 261 **Location:**

The debate was wheter imbue dmg was counted or not, not crits. Thats why I bolded imbue dmg. Sad that I have to explain it all to you like youre a child.

empaZ · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 73 **Location:**

Elemental wrote:

The debate was wheter imbue dmg was counted or not, not crits. Thats why I bolded imbue dmg. Sad that I have to explain it all to you like youre a child.

stop saying against yourself... you said max dmg and crit is max dmg? right

whatever ppl always talk big on the net and you just showed it

*Note to self: Have to stop talking to noobs

Deadly EYez · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:49 pm

empaZ wrote:

Elemental wrote:

His crits might do less than a pure str, but his normal attacks will do more than a pure str.

what do you base that on? he will do more mag dmg yes but less phy dmg...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYep2n7e020 need to say anymore?

Both using spears >.<

Elemental · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 261 **Location:**

empaZ wrote:

Elemental wrote:

The debate was wheter imbue dmg was counted or not, not crits. Thats why I bolded imbue dmg. Sad that I have to explain it all to you like youre a child.

stop saying against yourself... you said max dmg and crit is max dmg? right

whatever ppl always talk big on the net and you just showed it

*Note to self: Have to stop talking to noobs

Crit isnt a constant. Imbue is (at least it should be as proven by everyone except for you)

calearney · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 183

hybred suks till lvl 60 + then it starts kiking a$$. but in my opinion int is best.

empaZ · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 73 **Location:**

Deadly EYez wrote:

empaZ wrote:

Elemental wrote:

His crits might do less than a pure str, but his normal attacks will do more than a pure str.

what do you base that on? he will do more mag dmg yes but less phy dmg...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYep2n7e020 need to say anymore?

Both using spears >.<

learn to read comments O.o and yeah i played in the same guild as kull and he is str...

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Crit isnt a constant. Imbue is (at least it should be as proven by everyone except for you)

really? how about zerk? max dmg to and its as constant as imbue... (almost) just random cd

SneakyLilBastard · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 34 **Location:**

I love being a hybrid (sword/shield) -- it's so much fun having various styles of attacks available. I started out as a nuker but it was way too boring doing the same ol' attacks, now I get to mix it up a lot so it adds a bit more variety so I don't get burned out so quickly. And since I do a lot more damage as a hybrid, I'm able to constantly uphunt 5-11 levels (12 lvls seems to be an ungodly drop in damage for some reason).

I'm currently doing yetis right now at 51 and have been since 48. All I need to do is a fire nuke, then devil cut while one charges at me, then a quick book 1 combo when they've come into range (need to use this for a lil bit more oomph due to my lower degree weapon) and finish off with a heaven chain.

I can't wait till I hit lvl 52 and get my new sword, then it'll be a cakewalk and save me about 2 seconds not needing to use that little fast 3-hit combo. I love killing monsters faster than everyone else (except underhunting nukers). As long as I kill everything faster than every other swinger including glavie/spear or even nukers my lvl, I'm content.

I plan on moving to the cave once I hit lvl 56 to get my book 3 fire nuke.

Hybrid for life! :p

- N

nycxfool · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 565 **Location:**

Priam wrote:

Didn't Otatop fair quite well as a 1:1 glaive? or is that the sleep talking.

he quit the game cuz the whole server constantly globaled about how bad his build was

SneakyLilBastard · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 34 **Location:**

nycxfool wrote:

Priam wrote:

Didn't Otatop fair quite well as a 1:1 glaive? or is that the sleep talking.

he quit the game cuz the whole server constantly globaled about how bad his build was

Was his build bad though or did people just keep talkin' trash about it? Who cares about talk, it's the action that counts.

- N

apollo · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 115 **Location:** VA

LOL @ this thread

PureOwnage · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1104

rofl if u have lvl 64 who cant kill u then they are weak as all hell. On the char I play as its a 64 pure str glaive with a +4 crit 12(+85%) glaive and u know what? I can take out nearly everyone under 64 who doesnt have a sosun weap or som equipment.

ShizKnight · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 3104 **Location:** _______

Priam wrote:

Didn't Otatop fair quite well as a 1:1 glaive? or is that the sleep talking.

In his 60s, he got anally probed by a Pure str that was using a spear.

empaZ · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 73 **Location:**

SneakyLilBastard wrote:

nycxfool wrote:

Priam wrote:

Didn't Otatop fair quite well as a 1:1 glaive? or is that the sleep talking.

he quit the game cuz the whole server constantly globaled about how bad his build was

Was his build bad though or did people just keep talkin' trash about it? Who cares about talk, it's the action that counts.

- N

yeah getting raped by a str using a spear is kinda ownd... O.o
to put it easy... he had the worst build ever

Devotia · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

Why not just go pure int from then on and switch to spear? 0.o

Morlaf · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 84 **Location:**

ShizKnight wrote:

Priam wrote:

Didn't Otatop fair quite well as a 1:1 glaive? or is that the sleep talking.

In his 60s, he got anally probed by a Pure str that was using a spear.

1:1 glaive is bad. o_o... You hit a little harder than a full str glaiver, but you're almost guaranteed to die to a full str glaiver in one sss and a mars.... when you're in armor

purified · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 643

your hybrid is sure weak

mysterio · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 20 **Location:** CANADA

To the people who think that this is a bad build answer me this. "why do i still play this character and keep making him the way he is?"

Probably cause it is not a bad build, its fun and its only downside is when u get a pure int of equal lvl ksing your mobs. These people i do not need to know cause they are either just ignorant or a ksing bot. Other then that its fun to be hanging with the bigger boys the whole game through always making friends cause of my resilience so maybe you should try it. Pure int nukes are alot weaker against an equally balanced hybrid then a pure str as are a pure str's against one as compared to a pure ints. Its not the most strongest build but i am not there to kill one and die quick. I am there to kill a few and still be standing so thanks for all your oppions. I think alot of you people should change ur old fashioned pre alchemy ways and learn there is a new build on the block

Ice771x · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1562 **Location:**

blutrausch wrote:

STR Hybrids still suck imo

Ice771x · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1562 **Location:**

nycxfool wrote:

Priam wrote:

Didn't Otatop fair quite well as a 1:1 glaive? or is that the sleep talking.

he quit the game cuz the whole server constantly globaled about how bad his build was

actually, he was banned for botting.

DUH DUH DOUBLE POST!!!!!

Bakemaster · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 4732 **Location:**

Only after he quit the game and posted a screenshot of himself botting here on SRF.

And re: Potato, I have been on more than one trade run and heard:
"Oh crap, here comes a 52+ thief"
"Never mind, it's only potato"

IguanaRampage · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2483 **Location:** Changing

omg they're all really good hybrids and pures.
Just because hybrids are good, doesn't mean pures are bad
or vice-versa. They have their strengths and weaknesses.

And I'm sorry people who say str hybrids suck you really haven't seen a good str hybrid. This game is way too much about equips to be saying "this build is good, and this build sucks".

cometfall · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:06 am

mysterio wrote:

ok first off my low hp is cause my auto pots are on like 20%, 2nd off i pwn in pvp my lvl and more. There is 64's that cannot kill me. So i guess i better get some more screen shots or maybe fraps. My nukes do as much or more as a pure int with a lvl 52 sos sword but i only really use nukes for grinding cause in pvp i am physical. You find a pure str on troy my lvl who can beat me i will pay em 1 million gold(high lvl's deleveled need not apply)

i think even a 1:1 hybrid will do best at 90cap as long as skills stay at 69 and below. a full 1:1 hybrid will have enough HP to tank 69 skills and do more phys+mag dmg by average at Lv90. pure builds will scuk until skills are updated past 69. some kSRO player posted here 1:1 hybrids are popular at his server.

you are Lv59 and i think you have very good gears. im 57%/88% naked with 67%/106% with my gears. i have full sos +3 7D protector and sos +5 7D sword/shield only my necklace is sos +3 7D, the remaining 3 are not sos but just +3. yet my phys def and mag def are near yours since i turned 57 til now (60). i think it's ur gears and not your build, that makes you strong.

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