Whats your opinion on Powerlvling?

donkyle · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 941 **Location:**

Death2U wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

Sylhana wrote:

Go back to basics.

The reason botting is discouraged from SRO, is because it destroys the balance ingame, and upsets the legit community. Ask yourself why you get upset when others bot? I bet its for exactly the same reason why you get upset when others get powerleveled.

The only difference between botting and powerleveling, is that doing one will get you a ban, the other wont. That doesnt make it right though. The outcome/impact is the same regardless of the method you use.

Its funny that you say upset the "legit community" since many in this legit community are doing it. There is a difference between powerleveling and botting depending on the person. If a person is voluntary grinding the xp for you then its nothing wrong with it.

Besides, it doesn't matter what the players think whats right and wrong. Joymax designs the rules of whats right and wrong in this game. If Joymax say botting is legal, then in this game, there is nothing wrong with botting. On a side note, I would quit this game if botting became legal but thats beside the point.

And if you want to talk about "balance" in game which has already been tarnished, I could always start a debate on the issue of balance for silk buyers vs. non-silk buyers, botters vs. legits, racial conflicts. etc.

Valamathras wrote:

1. Ever considered once u have an excellent party you can handle much tougher mobs. Take a chinese char good equips can grind on mobs say 8lvls higher. By time euro chars get good lvls their buffs will be madness allowing grinding on much harder mobs so you can do higher lvl quests. Also im sure they would really want you doing your quests strapped to someones ass while you watch tv.

Find me a Euro party thats actually partying to level up and I'll happily level with them. Nobody in my level range parties. Most of the time I solo on my Warlock and my friends only level me when they have time or feel like it.

Nobody grinds mobs 8 levels higher unless they have a sos or higher weapon and even then its rare. Grinding red mobs in a party with good gear might be feasible but I don't think it was really intended that way since the ability to do quest on red mobs was implemented before the European race was even announced on ksro if I remember correctly.

By the way, I'm never afk or doing anything else while playing sro, so you can remove the whole watching t.v notion. My mistake if you were speaking in general.

Valamathras wrote:

2.If they gave 2 hoots about making the game more enjoyable im sure it would'nt be through the use of plvls. Where does it stipulate on the forum engage in no combat by sitting on a horse behind your high lvl friend. Also in making it more "inviting" they'd get rid of the gold bots which to my knowledge they did fairly well on when the update came around. Hence they tried making it more enjoyable. They just need to be more consistent with it.

Can you find where it says don't do it?

Bots aren't the turn off for most that come to Silkroad since just about all free games have bots, but its the grind that causes players to quit.

Valamathras wrote:

3.Well obviously SOX aint guaranteed, but Ill bet my ironclad bottom your GUARANTEED to not find one sitting behind some 70-80 boon killin bunwangs and penons for ya.

I guess you made the wrong bet then. A friend found a lvl 45 female sos garment hood while his guild master was powerleveling him at bunwangs. I didn't find a sos but I found a 52+2 warlock rod while at penons which is pretty nice.

Valamathras wrote:

The point to being high lvl is supposed to be an achievement not a godam right. Everyone starting the game is not supposed to have one. Your supposed to work at it, ATTAIN it, pay for your silk. I remember when I started playing a 6x would roll in (started around 70 cap last may) and I'd be awestruck, inspired have you. Figured wow he must've put alot of time and effort into that. Later I learnt of bots and wasn't as easily impressed anymore. Now everyone and their grandma has a 7x and expects one lol. I'm just saying if you want one do it right. I was taught principles and would never think twice of taking shortcuts like that. But I suppose the majority wants to be the 1st to have everything

Can't take the grind? Stop whining WoW's over there

Im'a be breakin my phalanges and carpels up to 90 even if I'm the godam last one. (granted nearly quit while back but I seen the light) Dont take shortcuts a thief'll jump ya :p

It still is an achievement. More power to the man/woman who leveled up all by himself/herself, without silk, etc. Although, even with powerleveling, it still would take a bit of time to reach level 60 if you got a legit player who's helping you level. And I like I stated earlier, its not like they can be powerleveled forever. They're going to have to level themselves sooner or later and those players at cap will still be revered since they hand grinded the rest of the way to the cap or all the way. Well, at least some of them did.

I'm not advocating powerleveling or anything. Although I could careless if it was removed or not since I would level up legitly regardless. In the game's current state, the positives of powerleveling outweigh the negatives.

Why can't you be like a normal person and write in black?

+1 why cant you write in black :?:

grap3s04wr · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:24 pm

its lovely and fascinating i love it

it took me up a few lvls on my chinese char since i've ditched europe for good

my lvl 58 friend helped a group of us, it was great and he still is now, hell who wants to complain if they're getting free XP?

BlackFox · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:28 pm

hmm

LMAO ...

(Greece)Ukrais · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 65 **Location:**

I think its ok, as long as your not nub about it. My friends pl me all the time, just because they want me to get higher quicker, so i dont see a problem with that.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Wee I got 100th vote <3

No but uhmm power leveling is part of the game m'kay? I know it's hard for people like Krato / Vandango etc etc who had legitly been struggling with lvls for AGES just to see these euro's who are no less than 2 weeks old hitting 7x.

BUT it's part of the game. Get a higher lvl on your server and ask to be power leveld too.

PB_and_J · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:48 pm

It's a part of the game.

Is it better then botters, yes, as long as the power leveler isn't botting.

Do I like it? No.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

donkyle wrote:

Death2U wrote:

Why can't you be like a normal person and write in black?

+1 why cant you write in black :?:

D2A why do you have go around trying to start conflict? Even if you weren't trying to, if you got a question for me, thats what pms are for. If you can't post on the subject matter at hand, refrain from posting.

I understand what you're saying Sylhana, but JM doesn't ban botters anymore. Player efforts will never be appreciated/rewarded because botters will always be in the game. Therefore, grinding is hard when trying to compete with the botters. But I guess it depends on a person's perspective.

hootsh · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:54 pm

I dont think its ok if its done for money...etc

But if a friend is doing it to you while he is just normally grinding i think its ok.

skyduck · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 74 **Location:**

I have a hand-grinded level 80 capped character. I use it to powerlevel my own Euro char. I don't see a problem with it at all. Either way, I am grinding myself. Powerleveling just makes the process a lot faster and easier. I powerlevel my friends/guildmates/unionmates a lot, I mean a lot.

I think the majority of people that think powerleveling is a problem because they don't have a high level character of their own. I think this only becomes an issue when someone keeps asking for powerleveling.

As long as the powerleveler does not have an issue powerleveling a few friends/guildmates/unionmates. It is perfectly ok. And for those being powerleveled, don't take it for granted!

soxdrop · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:11 pm

I only hate people who get powerleveled by a bot and they claim to be legit, well they aren't any better than the botter..

Orotiagito · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 799 **Location:**

I don't mind power leveling at all.

I am still grinding with my Chinese char
I have not power leveled anyone
I have no intentions of making a new char

I am completely unbiased in this situation.

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If someone is willing to kill a bunch of monsters under their level while a low level follows them, I don't see what the big deal is. One person grinds, one person follows, one person gains exp....sounds like Chinese game play minus the extra player.

The people who are complaining about Power Leveling either don't have any high level friends, didn't grind enough with the chinese char, or are just jealous.

It might ruin the game for some low levels who fit into the above statement, but it doesn't even compare to how botters / goldbuyers ruined the game.

Most of these power leveled Euro chars (at least on Greece) already have at least one high level Chinese Char, think of it as Joymax releasing a "Race change scroll".

silverhawk282 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 97

Power leveling is ok and legit, but I dont like it.

Why its ok: It requires you to have one of two things: either friends in high places or another character of high level you can dual box with. Botting requires none of this, another reason why botting is bad.

Why I dont like it: It upsets the balance. My guild and I are leveling in euro at the same rate, not using each others higher characters to power level. However someone who started the same time as us can have a massive acceleration in XP due to power leveling. Oh yeah, not to mention I put at least more effort in than he did.

How it can be solved: Everquest 2 dealt with this nicely. They restricted the ammount of XP a party can get depending on the level gap between players (something like if the gap exceeds a certain ammount, only the higher level player will get XP). EQ2 also compensated for this with their nice XP boost if you have been out of the game for a while.

Shine · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 90 **Location:**

Personally, I both like it and hate it. Right now I have a 100% legit 7x, sure it took a while, and a lot of silk, but thats the whole point of the game. Most people only see the "zomg i want to pwn everyone in pvp lawl" aspect of the game, which results in botting/gold buying/and now powerleveling.

Powerlevelign is now the cheapest, and while your in the party, fastest way to level now. Personally, I do powerlevel my alt chinese chars(dont plan on making a europe) because chinese chars level horribly slow until they get the good mid 2x/low 3x skills.

What I hate about powerleveling is that it seems to bring the worst out in everyone. All I see in union chat these days is "anyone powerleveling?" or "this person is looking for a powerleveling pt". Its so annoying.

Since I have a chinese char, I solo grind, and I usually make a distribution party. I put it into union chat, some 2x in the union joins, and asks where am I powerleveling him. I told him that its a distribution party, as in I'm not powerleveling, and he leaves the party. Its really disgusting, we have a large amount of europe chars, most of which are in the same level range, yet everyone seems to ask to be powerleveled. I asked one person why, he said that he couldn't find a party. I asked in union chat for any europe party's in his level range, and I found one. He still asked me to powerlevel him, its not that he couldn't find a party, its that he didn't want to find one and grind for himself. Whenever I say anything in union chat, 50% of the time I get a pm asking if I can powerlevel someone.

Right now I have a level 37 europe char in my acadamy, if I cant powerlevel him, and nobody in the union will powerlevel him, he signs off. Yesterday, he said that he didn't like europe anymore, so he wanted me to KICK his lvl 37! from my acadamy, so his chinese char can join. Then he wanted me to powerlevel his chinese char. That is just selfish beyond words, he cant be bothered to level up 3 more times for my honor points? He wants the character KICKED? Then he wants me to powerlevel his chinese char of all things. I am just sick of it.

(Greece)Ukrais · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 65 **Location:**

Only problem i have with powerleveling is.... "PT PLZZZZZZZZZZZZ" "PLZ PRtY me!!!!" "CANI come too?"

I mean seriously, if you have friends then ok, but dont go to high lvl areas and just demand powerleveling. I guess powerleveling is also bad because my friend is lv 39 with his euro, and it pisses me off because we all have to catch up to him so we can do stuff.

I think i have become WAYYY to dependant on powerleveling, everytime i friend comes on, i ask if they are powerleveling, because to tell you the truth, they always are

So i dont know, good or bad, it wont stop anytime soon.

RichardDawkins12 · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 228

EngravedDemon wrote:

Plvl All the way...

I hate those bot trains tho... Bot PLers ZzZ... Talk about making the easy way easier... LoL!

isnt that the only way to plvl? u grab a high 80 char and set the bot 24/7 while the noob just stock up on horse pills :/

RichardDawkins12 · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 228

Oh i Just looked at your char u have a 6x euro :/

I think joymax are gonna come to their senses soon.

"oh shit a lot of ppl who are supposed to pay for 2 months of silk are already lvl70 an havent spent a single dollar on us"

"time to ban those noobs so they can spend money T_T"

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

I like to make small responses now and again, its a shame I have to run off to clinic soon xD.

Thanks to all your honest opinions on this matter. I just find the practice of powerleveling to be an interesting topic to dissect and examine much closer. I've mentioned it before (and it gets tedious to read through the posts as the thread gets larger) that the powerleveler is not really at fault here.

You could powerlevel your own char, and you'll be doing all the work (albeit at an altered pace of char development). But it is the outcome (the speed at which the char develops) that is of concern. I can draw comparisons to botting, buying a char, sharing an account, and you would see that on principle that there are similarities in outcome. My basic argument was that the outcome of any of these practices is a threat to the game and not the actual action.

Botting is bad for the game because it enables any individual to have access to a char that is easy to lvl up (no effort on their part), and undermines the effort of players who prefer not to partake in this practice. Powerleveling is identical in this principle, except in the fact that instead of a program that plays for you, another person is playing for you (while your char is passive).

However, because it isnt an illegal way to play the game (currently) according to JM (main justifying factor), many of players who play by the rules considers this practice as being acceptable (>50% of forum sample considers this practice acceptable, correct for thread poll 8th Aug 07).

Now the question leads to this ^_^. There will be a limit to the number of new servers that props up in isro. Soon, there will be enough high lvl chars in any server to powerlevel new chars. If botting was a problem now, it might not be a problem in the future, as more new players to the game has access to high lvl chars to powerlevel them (and it is quicker too). They might even charge real money to do this. So should there be some early action now from the concerned community? Cause JM will buckle to customer demand. Or since it is/or will never be illegal a practice, partake in it ourselves to level the playing field/destroy the game further? (Just a rhetorical question. No need to respond to this specifically ;D ).

Something to think about..
Now i got to run

ZeFrog · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 537

I've always looked at the guardian system as a way to assist and teach new players about certain aspects of the game...if/when I get to lvl 60 on my euro char I will do just that...

Being a Hunter during trade runs for your apprentices, showing them how to properly party and fight together, what to do, what not to do as they advance in the game...this was its purpose...you got rewarded with Honor points for helping people out...

Powerleveling wasn't JMs intent..if you were a good teacher then they would be more then able to lvl on their own or by partying with your other apprentices...

What you'll have through this misinterpretation of JMs intent is the same result you got with botted chars...they don't know how to work as a unit...they don't have a clue wtf is going on...

Meow · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 1872 **Location:**

I honestly don't mind powerleveling..It's part of the game. Your choice if you want to powerlevel or not. I usually do my quests and handgrind but today a friend asked me If I wanted to get powerleveled and I said yes to his kind offer of course

Either way I didn't mind. I must say that watching a movie/taking care of business while leveling at the same time is quite nice

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

Bump, just saw some repeat threads. Poll still open if you hvnt voted.

HakubiNi · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 843 **Location:**

I am all for powerleveling. It is allowed it is encouraged by the cademy system.

The wrong part is powerleveling using a BOT. Now that's just plain obviously wrong.

I'd rather have someone powerleveled than a botter.

The only real problem is that almost every euro I bump upon asks "plz party plz party PARTY ME PLZZZZZZZ!!!11!1111!1one". Now that's just rude and annoying. But that just depends on the person behind the character, not the powerleveling fault if they are lazy bums and rude jackasses.

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

HakubiNi wrote:

I am all for powerleveling. It is allowed it is encouraged by the cademy system.

The wrong part is powerleveling using a BOT. Now that's just plain obviously wrong.

I'd rather have someone powerleveled than a botter.

The only real problem is that almost every euro I bump upon asks "plz party plz party PARTY ME PLZZZZZZZ!!!11!1111!1one". Now that's just rude and annoying. But that just depends on the person behind the character, not the powerleveling fault if they are lazy bums and rude jackasses.

I disagree here. The academy was meant as a community bonding tool. It encourages new players to join one, learn from a mentor about the game, find a place in the server, and stay on in the server. The xp/sp bonus is just an added incentive, so are the guardian points.

The outcome is the same, botting or powerleveling equates to lvling without effort (which is on principle wrong) but pwrlvling is not illegal.

I wrote this on another thread:

Sylhana wrote:

I guess I made an err in judgement. I think theres a very subtle but distinctive point to be made here. There are players that play by a moralistic principle, and there are players that play by the rules. Both can be considered legit, and powerleveling differentiates them. Powerleveling is not against the rules, but it is against the principle of the game (which is to play). It isnt an exploitation of a bug per se, but a perversion of gameplay.

bladecarlo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1116 **Location:**

Yes, it is acceptable. Part of the game..

my euro char gets pleveled, but i pay for it cause i don't want to ask a guildie of mine to plevel me..

kabuki · **Posted:** Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:42 am

im not against it. i can live without it. but if people constantly pester me to powerlvl them, then that could be a problem.

not to mention that this does help people obtain honor points at a faster pace rather than having the apprentices lvl up themselves.

Lyrikk · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 352 **Location:**

1) Most powerleveld have higher level characters anyway. I dont see how powerlevling out-balances the game at all, let alone compare it to botting. (remember, It is an option available to all of sro, thus balance)

2) It is LEGIT, not breaking ANY rules. They have been doing this in other versions long before iSRO cry babies came along - It is not new.

3) Unlike botting, ranting and bitching about this... will not affect Joymax one bit, gg.

4) I guarantee most that are crying about this, have not looked or had the oppurtunity. A majority that say "NO" would not decline a level 80's invitation to power level.

5) *In the long run*
If <said> person was PLd, knows the game mechanics, and still plays his/her class well.... who gives a shit. There is no reason to complain about this, other than pure jealousy. If you think powerleveling is bad because <said> person doesnt get to experience the "real" leveling process... then it is their loss, not yours.

Continue with your lives.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

hmm,... im a little late; OT : damn ap classes,

anyhoo
pwrlvling thats a touchy subject almost like religion
this will be my only post in this thread so i will say it.
its gonna be hard to believe....
most will flame....
some might even get pissed....
i might even get banned.... j/k

but if tommorow joymax said that botting was legal,......
the majority of "legits"......
even if they dont want to admit it.....
will bot....
the mentality of the playerbase of sro....
is overall selfish and childish,....
greedy and wants things now....
sro in total is man at his core.....
sro players are the basic sub concious of humans.....

video games are a form of entertainment....
and self-gratification....
but pwrlvling....
honestly what does that accomplish......

honestly even if pwrlvling became a bannable offense....
people wouldnt stop......

imagine if murder where legal......
now so you murder some1 cause they ticked you off, slept with your girlfriend or w/e......

is this right, just cause there are no rules against it?....

this whole pwrlving/botting nonsense goes right down to psychology....

the main question isnt, does joymax support pwrlvling or not......
ask yourself this on a moral standpoint.... if some1 killed some1 else because it is legal does that make it right.....

another excuse i noticed is....

bob: billy pwrlvled his "euro" char, and i dont think thats fair so im gonna get on my "legit" lvl 80 and pwrlvl too, altough this may in turn hurt my overall knowledge of my char. and in the end i might get pwned by players who didnt pwrlvl; and actually know how to work in a coordinated team; while i run around acting like my char is chinese

hmm so lets try this agian....

bob: billy jumped off a bridge, and because my mental proccesors dont understand the consequences of jumping off a bridge im gonna jump off too

...
the first scenario was trying to justify some unethical pattern or behavior, because there are no current rules against said pattern or behavior.

....
the second scenario is what seems to plague sro the most, in regards to bots gold buying pwr lvling etc:

so and so did it, and did'nt get in trouble, so im gonna do it too.

that is called bandwagon, its a form of propaganda that humanity as a species suffers from. because for some odd reason its impossible to think for oneself, and say hey wait 1 darn cotton picking minute here, im lvl 74 100% pwrlvled in 2 weeks, and you know what.... i dont know how to play.

most player would respond with...
well i have a "legit" lvl 80 fully farmed thats CHINESE, so i have "alot" of experience.

my response...
no doubt you have alot of experience, in CHINA, WITH CHINESE.
but how can you apply the solo play 2 sec potion delay with the 15 sec (shouldve been 20 seconds) teamplay of euro.

you may be lvl 52+, but a lvl 35 rogue xbow can own you with 1 crit.
and you may try to atk back... but his buddy rogue daggers is scorning you, so you cant fight back... then scorn... then atk... then repeat until your dead

you'll be like wtf 1v1......but you must realize china is not europe.

the point of my post is......
just because something happens to be legal doesnt make it right morally.

if bots where legal....
and some1 asked do you think its wrong?....

your response will be:
because "this company" currently doesnt have any rules implemented i will continue to bot, and if they make if illegal i will stop. (pile of bull, you wont stop)

this response applys to the pwrlvls....
if you pwrlvled your euro to lvl 5x,6x,7x i have no respect for you, and i dont care that your in npc garbage while i wear my pimped 5th deg gear.

today while pvping me and my troupe of rogues where being harrased by a pwrlvled lvl 52 who complained about his "gay" npc gear to us.

we responded:
maybe if you didnt pwrlvl you would be wearing +3 blue non npc gear like us.

his response:
every time we left the safe zone he killed us...

our response:
we all stealthed, and gave him hell...
using teamplay he couldnt lay a finger on us.

how come we know how to fight against some1 17 lvls above, while he can barely fight some1 his lvl without getting worked over.

heres a good saying i like....

give a man a fish, he eats for a day.
teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

thats all im gonna say, i have nothing more to offer this thread

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

hmm,... im a little late; OT : damn ap classes,

anyhoo
pwrlvling thats a touchy subject almost like religion
this will be my only post in this thread so i will say it.
its gonna be hard to believe....
most will flame....
some might even get pissed....
i might even get banned.... j/k

but if tommorow joymax said that botting was legal,......
the majority of "legits"......
even if they dont want to admit it.....
will bot....
the mentality of the playerbase of sro....
is overall selfish and childish,....
greedy and wants things now....
sro in total is man at his core.....
sro players are the basic sub concious of humans.....

video games are a form of entertainment....
and self-gratification....
but pwrlvling....
honestly what does that accomplish......

honestly even if pwrlvling became a bannable offense....
people wouldnt stop......

imagine if murder where legal......
now so you murder some1 cause they ticked you off, slept with your girlfriend or w/e......

is this right, just cause there are no rules against it?....

this whole pwrlving/botting nonsense goes right down to psychology....

the main question isnt, does joymax support pwrlvling or not......
ask yourself this on a moral standpoint.... if some1 killed some1 else because it is legal does that make it right.....

another excuse i noticed is....

bob: billy pwrlvled his "euro" char, and i dont think thats fair so im gonna get on my "legit" lvl 80 and pwrlvl too, altough this may in turn hurt my overall knowledge of my char. and in the end i might get pwned by players who didnt pwrlvl; and actually know how to work in a coordinated team; while i run around acting like my char is chinese

hmm so lets try this agian....

bob: billy jumped off a bridge, and because my mental proccesors dont understand the consequences of jumping off a bridge im gonna jump off too

...
the first scenario was trying to justify some unethical pattern or behavior, because there are no current rules against said pattern or behavior.

....
the second scenario is what seems to plague sro the most, in regards to bots gold buying pwr lvling etc:

so and so did it, and did'nt get in trouble, so im gonna do it too.

that is called bandwagon, its a form of propaganda that humanity as a species suffers from. because for some odd reason its impossible to think for oneself, and say hey wait 1 darn cotton picking minute here, im lvl 74 100% pwrlvled in 2 weeks, and you know what.... i dont know how to play.

most player would respond with...
well i have a "legit" lvl 80 fully farmed thats CHINESE, so i have "alot" of experience.

my response...
no doubt you have alot of experience, in CHINA, WITH CHINESE.
but how can you apply the solo play 2 sec potion delay with the 15 sec (shouldve been 20 seconds) teamplay of euro.

you may be lvl 52+, but a lvl 35 rogue xbow can own you with 1 crit.
and you may try to atk back... but his buddy rogue daggers is scorning you, so you cant fight back... then scorn... then atk... then repeat until your dead

you'll be like wtf 1v1......but you must realize china is not europe.

the point of my post is......
just because something happens to be legal doesnt make it right morally.

if bots where legal....
and some1 asked do you think its wrong?....

your response will be:
because "this company" currently doesnt have any rules implemented i will continue to bot, and if they make if illegal i will stop. (pile of bull, you wont stop)

this response applys to the pwrlvls....
if you pwrlvled your euro to lvl 5x,6x,7x i have no respect for you, and i dont care that your in npc garbage while i wear my pimped 5th deg gear.

today while pvping me and my troupe of rogues where being harrased by a pwrlvled lvl 52 who complained about his "gay" npc gear to us.

we responded:
maybe if you didnt pwrlvl you would be wearing +3 blue non npc gear like us.

his response:
every time we left the safe zone he killed us...

our response:
we all stealthed, and gave him hell...
using teamplay he couldnt lay a finger on us.

how come we know how to fight against some1 17 lvls above, while he can barely fight some1 his lvl without getting worked over.

heres a good saying i like....

give a man a fish, he eats for a day.
teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

thats all im gonna say, i have nothing more to offer this thread

A bit too long but YAY! +1. Someone who gets it

<3

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

This has nothing to do with something so subjective as morals. Whats morally good in one culture or society may be taboo in another.

In Silkroad Online, Joymax decides what is morally good in their online world. If you feel it violates your 'real life' morals or gaming morals, don't bother to play. You shouldn't look down upon someone or not acknowledge their achievements just because its against your morals. You don't have to praise them either.

Some people say powerleveling is exploiting the party system. Its been almost a year since the Europe update has been implaced in the Korean version of Silkroad. Its also been through beta testing. I think by now, if Joymax felt it was not the way they'd intended for the game to be played, this would not still be going on.

There was an exp penalty in the international version before the update. I'm not sure how it worked but all red mobs pretty much gave the same amount of exp. I don't remember to what extent, but I do remember that I tried to powerlevel a few friends and the exp they were getting was about the same, maybe slightly less than it is now. Friends managed to level me from level 1 to level 18 before the update in about 3 or 4 hours I believe. The only big difference between now and then is that party mobs make the job much easier.

I believe the main reason they decided to point out the exp penalty was to make achieving honor points a bit easier. Many new players don't really care about the guardian system since the first thing they want to know is, "how do i pk" or something similar to that. Besides that, Joymax could have always left us in the dark about the exp penalty of the game as they tend to do on many other aspects of the game. If you seen the amount of honor points it takes to achieve an honor item, many probably would agree because of this. Our version is on the road to look this. Whether you see this as a bad thing or good thing is irrelevant.

My main point being, you can't decide whats morally right and wrong for others. Personally, I rather a friend ask me to powerlevel his character than ask me to babysit a bot any day.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Da_Realest wrote:

This has nothing to do with something so subjective as morals. Whats morally good in one culture or society may be taboo in another.

In Silkroad Online, Joymax decides what is morally good in their online world. If you feel it violates your 'real life' morals or gaming morals, don't bother to play. You shouldn't look down upon someone or not acknowledge their achievements just because its against your morals. You don't have to praise them either.

Some people say powerleveling is exploiting the party system. Its been almost a year since the Europe update has been implaced in the Korean version of Silkroad. Its also been through beta testing. I think by now, if Joymax felt it was not the way they'd intended for the game to be played, this would not still be going on.

There was an exp penalty in the international version before the update. I'm not sure how it worked but all red mobs pretty much gave the same amount of exp. I don't remember to what extent, but I do remember that I tried to powerlevel a few friends and the exp they were getting was about the same, maybe slightly less than it is now. Friends managed to level me from level 1 to level 18 before the update in about 3 or 4 hours I believe. The only big difference between now and then is that party mobs make the job much easier.

I believe the main reason they decided to point out the exp penalty was to make achieving honor points a bit easier. Many new players don't really care about the guardian system since the first thing they want to know is, "how do i pk" or something similar to that. Besides that, Joymax could have always left us in the dark about the exp penalty of the game as they tend to do on many other aspects of the game. If you seen the amount of honor points it takes to achieve an honor item, many probably would agree because of this. Our version is on the road to look this. Whether you see this as a bad thing or good thing is irrelevant.

My main point being, you can't decide whats morally right and wrong for others. Personally, I rather a friend ask me to powerlevel his character than ask me to babysit a bot any day.

you focused on the morals part, which wasnt the bulk of my post.
it actually wasnt even the goal of my post to address current moral issues in todays culturals and societys.
the morals was just an example.

the main point of my post was to point out, that you wont be as good as some1 who didnt pwrlvl, and that certain things cant be used as excuses because thier flawed

because if it was your first time playing the game, and you got pwrlvled to like 5x,6x, and 7x good for you, but um do you even know how to use your build?

people call me noob ig for fighting like a rogue (relying heavily on stealth/hit and run) these people tend to be the lvl 40+ int pwrlvlers who have been playing the game for 2 days (true noobs not the veterens with high lvl chinese).

they tell me not to stealth cause its not fair -_-
i say have a friend use descry/combustion.
they go w-t-f is that.

point is, your losing out if you pwrlvl.

PS. plz dont skim thru my post and pick and choose minor parts to argue on, rather argue on the bulk.

give a man a fish, he eats for a day
teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime

hmm i think im gonna watch this post, it just got worthwhile

139022 · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 858 **Location:**

wrong, powerleveling is good. its not like botting. and at lvl 50+ powerleveling is pretty much useless.i powerleveled in csro from lvl 12-48 in 3 days. but you have to pay for it. if its free= bad, pay = good

i powerlevel my academy at the penons

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