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@foudre
thanks for your comment BUT this is exactly what is destroying Silkroad

No one cares anymore, why would Joymax care when they run a game that is played by people who don`t give a shit about the game they are playing?

keep the money coming is what matters now

"Legit" is determined by the Operation Policy, not personally belief, or what someone think JM implies. The Operation Policy is the law in Silkroad. If JM announces tomorrow botting is legal, its "legit."

Botting is illegal soley because JM sees it as a "illegal program", not because you gain exp without doing anything. Someone could make a program that benefits the game in some way, but if JM sees it as being an illegal program, its not "legit."

For the morningdew part, I to spoked to a MD and was clearly told that the problem had become too serious on cSRO to let it go on like that and that something would have been worked out before Europe would come out. It wasn't the case, nothing was worked out.

There too I must disagree, a game where the owners would openly state that cheating is the meat of the game itself, owners would know that people would leave such a game right away as botting is a universal terminology which is already known and accepted as an illegal activity. JM could never make such a statement and not see people leaving altogether.

You are mutating your opinion to your own benefit there. By saying that JM it views it illegal simply because it is third party, is negating the repercussion and the greater definition of cheating. One would have to say that a third party software is used to gain experience which couldn't be gained otherwise.

No matter how you define cheating, it is your definition, and no matter how I define it, it remains mine.

Next time someone says in union "Hey I'm full of shield elixires, someone want them for free?" I'll refuse, since I didn't grind for those elixires.

hmm.....lots of good points. Both arguments make a good statement and have legitimate sources......
Let me pose this question, however (while it was posed before)
If you have two computers that will run the client, and you log in your high lvl character and your low level character (both belonging to you) and power level yourself, do you still disagree with it? You aren't using 3rd party programs such as Multi client or a bot, you ARE training for the experience, since both characters are yours and you are hand killing the mobs. Is that "un-legit"?

hmm.....lots of good points. Both arguments make a good statement and have legitimate sources......
Let me pose this question, however (while it was posed before)
If you have two computers that will run the client, and you log in your high lvl character and your low level character (both belonging to you) and power level yourself, do you still disagree with it? You aren't using 3rd party programs such as Multi client or a bot, you ARE training for the experience, since both characters are yours and you are hand killing the mobs. Is that "un-legit"?

has anyone been getting p-lvled and a GM appears and says "You are not leveling up by your own doing, please stop or I will ban you. ps. Please buy more silk I need some 20s for my Escallade."
if some1 doesnt get banned for doing it, chances are its legit. its not what u think is right in silkroad, its what joymax thinks. dont like it? log off and find another mmo.

Thread like these go nowhere and eventually turn into flame wars because people usually stand on two distant poles here.
that goes without saying on any forums

I already gave my definition of botting and power leveling many times. The point has been made that it is cheating and there is not even a single doubt about that.
here, you try to state your opinion as fact it is NOT cheating, because JM INTENDED it to be this way...Im not going to explain it twice, so my answer is below
But yeah, anyone who likes to cheat will say "Oh, they are jealous.. they can't get pl themselves... they don't have money to be pl... blah blah blah...". All of that is pretty shit argument considering that we can all be PL.
most of the times, that is why people hate plvling, you however seem to be unique, you disillusioned "facts" seem to guide you here.

But yeah, no matter what I say, a cheater will always try to reassure him or herself that they are doing nothing wrong eventhough they are earning experience doing nothing.
once again announcing your cheater bullshit, its not cheating if the makers intend it to be this way

So that this doesn't turn into flaming... I won't post again in this thread as I know it will be totally futile.
you posted again

Well, I did say that I wouldn't post again, but obviously, since, you sir lack of any respect toward me, I feel I must post again.

First of all, people who call other people ignorant are usually themselves ignorant.
stating your opinion as fact is my basis for calling you ignorant

I made a clear, concise, opinion about that fact, and you sir, you had to make it personal. You have to make a personal attack, you cannot attack the opinion itself, no, you must attack the person that makes the opinion and that speaks a lot about who you are.
you seem to confuse opinion from fact a lot. Secondly, if i attacked your personally, you would know hon. perhaps you should base your opinions on real facts next time?

I am rich, I got more than enough money in this game to buy the things I want, thus I could EASILY buy PL services from anyone.
big whoop, who cant, the problem is they get rejected

I have friends, many friends, some higher levels and some lower levels, again, if I wanted to be PL by a friend or a stranger, where exactly that would be impossible?

But no, to try and manage to win your little points there, you had to tell of me that I have either and yet you don't even know me. How exactly ignorant is that anyway?
im assuming you meant neither

I have stated that people who support PL'ing will come up with their own little explanations, this will not be possible to reach an understanding because we stand on two different poles on this issue but I don't have to attack you to make my point.
perhaps you should try some kind of method to make some kind of point. Next time, i advise you to use facts, and not your biased opinion that plvling is cheating

Botting = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.
PL = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.
ok, in written terms you are write, but in concept, you are wrong. What you are trying to get at here is that plving is just as bad as botting, where in fact you miss the entire point of power lvling. power lvling is a friend or a stranger, helping out another gamer, either for some kind of reward, be it gold, honor points or just a new friend. BOtting is buying a program that will train for you, it violates the TOS, and it is illegal. Power lvling follows the TOS, uses the game system the way the makers, Joymax had intended it, and boost the community, and player levels. People are much more likely to play if they can lvl quickly, and lvling to 40 in an acedmy is a great way to launch people into sro to show them the real game. THus providing a much richer and more diverse gaming environment.
I made that point many times before.
sadly, yes, too many time you tried to call power lvling botting

Also, this statement about "JM blah blah blah made PT share for this blah blah blah". No they didn't, they never intended for this, they never expected this but once the system was designed it was too late because the impact of taking this system out would have been too negative on the entire game.
Here is a golden example where you take your opinion and state it into fact. Im sorry your so confused, but perhaps you didnt read the website, or get emails or anything about LEgend I update, therefore i will inform you. Legend I was intended to bring out European chars, a new party system, new jobing system, and chinese skills from 70-80. It also brought out the guardian system. Now the two major things here that we are concerned with is the party system and the guardianship system. First of all, the guardian system (acedemy) is when a player below lvl 30 will join the acedemy of a higher lvl, 60+. As they train and get exp in the acedemy, they will recieve buffs that can be transfered to the leader for a mutual sp and exp boost for a short duration. Upon graduating from the acedemy, the lvl 40 will receive 50% exp, and they will be off into the world of SRO. Now, to help in this process, JOYMAX CLEARLY STATED ON THE MAIN SITE EXPLAINING LEGEND I ABOUT THE NEW PARTY SYSTEM!!! In a party of 8, party mobs are spawned, and now everyone gets much more exp then before. However, as a restriction against abuse, Joymax implicated the 11 lvl block. Killing monsters 12 lvls or more higher will result in a decrease of experience, and therefore making it useless. THis will prevent a bot from making a new char, going to takla and afking overnight at snipers, to wake up to a lvl 50 character. power lvling was purposely put in so that low lvl have a means for lvling quickly, but to an extent. Had Joymax intended it otherwise, i highly doubt they would have made a page long discussion on it when their main site discussed the implications of LEgend I. If you have further complications with their intent, may you please contact them personally so they can explain it to you, assuming they even respond

No, profiteers made it so they found this loophole, like many times in real life, someone will try to find a flaw in a law to go around it and do something that isn't quite legal but isn't quite illegal also.
You are correct about loopholes and people exploiting them, but contrary to what you said, i would venture that JoyMax does not consider their new party system a loop hole since it works as they stated

The point is, the MAJORITY of the PL that goes on in this game is by BOTTERS.
true or not, thats a totally different argument. plvling by botters is just as bad, but plvling in itself is NOT (opinion, not trying to apss it off as a fact)

The point is, the MAJORITY of the exp gained this way is made by people who are ARE NOT at their computers.
And? you dont need to always sit at your computer watching you exp go up...Just because your getting plvled doesnt mean you cant go grab some good, take a piss or do something for a little bit

So yes, many of you guys will try and reason that they are different degrees of acceptable to unacceptable PL'ing.
because there are IMO (notice, i will not my opinion different from fact, try it ^^)

To me, there's only 1 degree, it's unacceptable.
theres an opinion, and its clear, gj

But I don't have to attack any one of you guys to make my point, I believe that is highly offensive to call people ignorant and I will ask you to refrain from this because the next time I will send a complaint to a forum moderator.
I'm sorry if you detest being called ignorant, but please next time do not try to impose your opinions on other people and say they are the law of the land

Please, state your opinion without attacking the person, attack the opinion itself next time.
please state your opinion, and not your opinion as fact, and we wouldnt have to be doing this

Thank you.
Thank you.

Power Leveling to keep up with your guild/friends? Not so ghey.
Hardly hand grinding and relying on power leveling? Ghey.

It don't matter anyway legit or not. The people who get power lvled won't have any money, won't have good gear from drops, and will only increase the number of people who slam 1,2,3,4 to PVP as they idle in one spot.

Well, I did say that I wouldn't post again, but obviously, since, you sir lack of any respect toward me, I feel I must post again.

First of all, people who call other people ignorant are usually themselves ignorant.

I made a clear, concise, opinion about that fact, and you sir, you had to make it personal. You have to make a personal attack, you cannot attack the opinion itself, no, you must attack the person that makes the opinion and that speaks a lot about who you are.

I am rich, I got more than enough money in this game to buy the things I want, thus I could EASILY buy PL services from anyone.

I have friends, many friends, some higher levels and some lower levels, again, if I wanted to be PL by a friend or a stranger, where exactly that would be impossible?

But no, to try and manage to win your little points there, you had to tell of me that I have either and yet you don't even know me. How exactly ignorant is that anyway?

I have stated that people who support PL'ing will come up with their own little explanations, this will not be possible to reach an understanding because we stand on two different poles on this issue but I don't have to attack you to make my point.

Botting = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.
PL = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.

I made that point many times before.

Also, this statement about "JM blah blah blah made PT share for this blah blah blah". No they didn't, they never intended for this, they never expected this but once the system was designed it was too late because the impact of taking this system out would have been too negative on the entire game.

No, profiteers made it so they found this loophole, like many times in real life, someone will try to find a flaw in a law to go around it and do something that isn't quite legal but isn't quite illegal also.

The point is, the MAJORITY of the PL that goes on in this game is by BOTTERS.

The point is, the MAJORITY of the exp gained this way is made by people who are ARE NOT at their computers.

So yes, many of you guys will try and reason that they are different degrees of acceptable to unacceptable PL'ing.

To me, there's only 1 degree, it's unacceptable.

But I don't have to attack any one of you guys to make my point, I believe that is highly offensive to call people ignorant and I will ask you to refrain from this because the next time I will send a complaint to a forum moderator.

Please, state your opinion without attacking the person, attack the opinion itself next time.

Thank you.

I wouldn't have a problem with it except the only ppl that can power lvl you are high lvls....and 95% of the 60+ on the new servers aren't legit....so now not only do i get my ass handed to me by botters but i get my ass handed to me by their friends, acquaintances, causal buddies, aunt, uncles, grandparents, etc...

its ends up increasing the gap between legits and non legits because basiclly if your not a botter or a friend with a botter then your doomed to be ownd by both...

Yes, that comes to the point... Powerleveling done by a bot is no different from a botting character. But powerleveling made by a legit is legit.

In the end, the problem isn't the system, it's the rotten community.

....so now not only do i get my ass handed to me by botters but i get my ass handed to me by their friends, acquaintances, causal buddies, aunt, uncles, grandparents, etc...

Power Leveling - Some games give characters a portion of the experience any member of their "party" earns, whether or not they personally had a hand in killing the monster. Power leveling is associating with high level characters to benefit from their experience, allowing the character to obtain a higher level much faster than he could on his own. Usually this is done with the higher-level characters' consent. Although not an "exploit", some users consider paid power leveling a damaging exploit, as it gives users who simply pay to have their character taken to a high level an unfair advantage. Accounts have been suspended over power leveling due to some game designers "no account sharing" policy.

Data Mining - This is typically most common around the time that a patch is released on the public test realm. Players will try to access files not yet in game and then host them on websites to expose content not yet released (usually new zones, items, and graphics).

Basically, there is a diffrence between people who got powerleveled and people who actually worked to level up their character. Granted, powerleveling doesn't violate the ToS in any way, but you need to realize that people who get powerleveled are missing the whole point of euro.
isn't euro for the party play, where you are supposed to be in a 8 person party, and everyone has a specific job of what they have to do and you all work together? Euros get powerleveled to 64+ and end up grinding solo, get to 80 and just pvp, missing the whole point of the euro based game. You have to realize, that you can compare powerlevelers to botters. Botters do nothing to get their levels, powerlevelers just sit on a horse and trace a character who does their work for them, involving no work for the euro char.
And no, i'm not one of those people who are jealous of people who get powerleveled, I could very well myself, but I'd rather enjoy party play.

In my book, powerleveling is an exploit. Wikipedia agrees.